DeepSeek, China's AI model: News & Discussion

The problem of USA economic system is that, for the richest, they are de facto a medieval feudal economic system, where the most wealthy get free money doing nothing useful for society.

So they need to constantly invent excuses to justify those financial virtual large incomes of money, commonly through financial bubbles.

I bet OpenAI discovered time ago what DeepSeek have published publicly and they deliberate hide to justify over waste of money.

This can be applied to other economic fields, like military industrial complex.

1 USD spend in China military industrial complex is not so waste like in USA same sector.
 
F-22Raptor said:
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Deepseek admits to using H100s…..illegally 🤣
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Don't make us laugh and don't be so desperate.
 
j_hungary said:
Dude, I was a cop for a decade, arrested over a thousand people, do you think they are all guilty? In fact, not everyone that went to court after being arrested are guilty.

Most of the time you arrest someone because you don't want them to leave, you want to control their behavior, all you need is a suspicion, or a probable clause, that he "Probably" as in 51/49 PROBABLE did it and you can arrest people.

I don't know if Israel was guilty of genocide, I am not a judge or jury, neither is ChatGPT, nor you, so I think a neutral stance is it could be and it could be not, and if you think otherwise, I would say that biased because you either believe Israel is guilty or not guilty
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Comparing petty criminals to a fucking Nazi child butcher. Dude seriously shame on you.
 
Openai is getting roasted in the comment section, something our Mr F22 would never want you to see.

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Jesus, our MAGA boy F22 is really working hard since the launched of sixth gen aircraft, it's being only a month, he has never been this busy before.
 
RAJPUT said:
Comparing petty criminals to a fucking Nazi child butcher. Dude seriously shame on you.
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Huh? I worked kidnapping and murder.....

And that's the definition of arrest, I have no issue you think convicting someone BEFORE due process is the right thing to do, I am just saying that's actually biased, there are better people to decide such a thing, if you are so sure they are guilty then why not just wait until they were actually found guilty then??

And I will, and DID say the same thing to people who try to defend Israeli action.
 
j_hungary said:
Huh? I worked kidnapping and murder.....

And that's the definition of arrest, I have no issue you think convicting someone BEFORE due process is the right thing to do, I am just saying that's actually biased, there are better people to decide such a thing, if you are so sure they are guilty then why not just wait until they were actually found guilty then??

And I will, and DID say the same thing to people who try to defend Israeli action.
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Bro did you not read where I said that ICJ or the International Court of Justice has issued arrest warrants for Bibi Netanyahu? So based on the evidence presented in front of the ICJ, Israel has been committing war crimes and them being genocide and much much more. Israel clearly is the aggressor and committing genocide and proven by a verdict from ICJ. What else do you need to be convinced?
 
RAJPUT said:
Bro did you not read where I said that ICJ or the International Court of Justice has issued arrest warrants for Bibi Netanyahu? So based on the evidence presented in front of the ICJ, Israel has been committing war crimes and them being genocide and much much more. Israel clearly is the aggressor and committing genocide and proven by a verdict from ICJ. What else do you need to be convinced?
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Issuing arrest warrant mean there are a probability that a crime has been committed. And in fact, ICJ warrant you only need over the "Balance of Probability", hence 51 over 49 to issue a warrant. In the US Law Enforcement System, you need to have probable clause, that's above the balance of probability.

Again, I am not a lawyer, nor a judge, nor a jury (ICJ trial don't have jury) I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION whether Israel was guilty or not, it's like asking me how to cook a steak better when I am not a chef, why would we need ICJ if we can just come up draw our own conclusion anyway? Again, if you really do think Israel is that guilty, why not just wait until they were found guilty by an official channel, why jump to conclusion?

I am talking about neutrality, and impartiality, asking me what will convince me of their guilt in itself is not impartial. How hard is it for you to understand?
 
I don't know why we are not discussing Qwen—the real big deal against ChatGPT.

Here is a comparison of Deepseek vs Qwen and you will immediately realise Qwen is far better in most areas, particularly in coding

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Here is a typical example of the Economist twists Liang Wenfang's interview to support the narrative that only Western-read whites can innovate. He didn't say that China was a follower in tech because they don't dare to strike it out independently not because it needs Western collaboration

Yet as Zhang Zhiwei of Pinpoint Asset Management, an investment firm, points out, DeepSeek’s achievements did not emerge from one of China’s myriad government-backed research institutes or state-controlled companies. Mr Liang appears to control most of the shares in DeepSeek, and has steered clear of China’s state-dominated venture-capital industry.

Mr Liang views China’s role over the past 30 years as that of a technological “follower”, building on foundations developed in the West. The gap between America and China is between “originality and imitation”, Mr Liang said in an interview with local media in July. Nvidia’s success, he argues, has not relied solely on its own performance but also on technological collaboration among Western companies.

China’s efforts to imitate Western computing power have fallen short, in his view, because it lacks this type of collaboration, despite a capital-intensive state-led effort to create one. DeepSeek may not be a wake-up call only for the West, but also for China’s leaders in Beijing. ■
 
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Ali_Baba said:
@F22fighter

www.theguardian.com

‘Sputnik moment’: $1tn wiped off US stocks after Chinese firm unveils AI chatbot

Trump calls emergence of DeepSeek a ‘wake-up call’ amid doubts about sustainability of western artificial intelligence boom
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>> China just wiped out $465bn off Nvidia, Microsoft at $130bn and Google’s parent, Alphabet, at $80bn. That is an AI crash of $675 !!!!
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Nvidia and ASML are two dead companies, they just don't know it yet. I predicted in this forum a few years ago. Next in line to die is ASML.
 
DeepSeek R1 is now live on Azure AI Foundry and GitHub. Experience the power of advanced reasoning on a trusted, scalable AI platform with minimal infrastructure investment. Learn more: https://msft.it/6016UVP9a #AzureAIFoundry
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Also..

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Running Distilled DeepSeek R1 models locally on Copilot+ PCs, powered by Windows Copilot Runtime

AI is moving closer to the edge, and Copilot+ PCs are leading the way. With the availability of cloud hosted DeepSeek R1 available on Azure AI Foundry, we’re bringing NPU-optimized versi
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