Drinking tea in Afghanistan turned out to be very costly for Pakistan, Khawaja Asif

[Cash gk]

Can't we just nuke the Afghans? I don't think world will care

Afghans are our brothers. Our land of Pakistan has always been a melting pot of various civilizations, with many of our ancestors having roots in Central Asia, Afghanistan, Persia, and the Arab world, tracing back to the Indus Valley Civilization. If we were to examine our DNA, a significant portion would connect us to these regions.

Unfortunately, by following Western and American propaganda, we inadvertently create animosity with our Afghan brothers, allowing hostile nations like India to exploit this divide for their gain. We must recognize that Afghans respond to love, respect, and sincere dialogue. By fostering a relationship based on mutual care and understanding, we can rebuild the bonds that have united us for centuries, promoting peace and cooperation in the region.

 

[Cash gk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1834132298515587283

 

[Analyst]

Afghans are our brothers. Our land of Pakistan has always been a melting pot of various civilizations, with many of our ancestors having roots in Central Asia, Afghanistan, Persia, and the Arab world, tracing back to the Indus Valley Civilization. If we were to examine our DNA, a significant portion would connect us to these regions.

Unfortunately, by following Western and American propaganda, we inadvertently create animosity with our Afghan brothers, allowing hostile nations like India to exploit this divide for their gain. We must recognize that Afghans respond to love, respect, and sincere dialogue. By fostering a relationship based on mutual care and understanding, we can rebuild the bonds that have united us for centuries, promoting peace and cooperation in the region.

No thank you. Might be yours brothers, not anyone else's and definitely not mine. Speak for yourself.

Keep your identity crisis to yourself, we wuz Turk one day, we wuz arab the next. Insecure people like you are the biggest shame on Pakistanis.

 

[firohot]

Pakistan had tried to be reasonable, especially at the start, however India was a red line for us
And the Indians knew it, so they spent billions in trying to establish a network within Afghanistan of spy houses, embassies etc

The Afghan Republic rather then listen to understand our issues , purposely used India as a threat and a punishment for Pakistan and openly threw the relationship in our face

The U.S at best was a tone deaf superpower, only concerned about its own issues and we had multiple issues with them from Raymond Davis to the border incident

All in all, Pakistan couldn't allow these multiple players to create havoc for it and planned for their defeat


Pakistan hoped for the best for the Taliban, that necessity for trade and ports and food supply etc would temper their Afghanisms, but at the end of the day the Afghans will be Afghans and a source of constant fassad and deshatgardi and headaches, like they have always been

But as I say above, their is major difference from the long term strategic threat to our interests that the Afghan Republic, India, U.S and NATO held compared to the Taliban


The fallout isn't nice, but it's manageable and I'm sure the establishment have long term plans in place on how to wear down the Afghans and Baloch terrorists threat.
For a nation of 250 million, a few hundred people dying in this mindless terrorism isn't going to bring us down, but a Afghan Republic with India and U.S could cause major damage and had to be dealt with

The way I see it Pakistan took on the USSR, USA,NATO, India and the Afghan republic and came out on the other side

NO other nation can claim that

That same deep state is now fing own country and negating any wins we got from afghan win

 

[hussain0216]

That same deep state is now fing own country and negating any wins we got from afghan win

The two things are not connected, what we did in Afghanistan against multiple enemies HAD TO BE DONE, their were major long term strategic consequences

What's happening now is the fallout, ultimately the Afghans themselves will suffer.
The Afghans willl lose the most people
Suffer the bigger consequences
Remain isolated and trapped

We can only try to work with the Afghans, but as a fallen jahil people the he afghanis will be afghanis and sometimes the best you can do is manage the jahil Afghan population

 

[Cash gk]

No thank you. Might be yours brothers, not anyone else's and definitely not mine. Speak for yourself.

Keep your identity crisis to yourself, we wuz Turk one day, we wuz arab the next. Insecure people like you are the biggest shame on Pakistanis.

I am happy to pay for your DNA in any top laboratoryin Europe

 

[Analyst]

I am happy to pay for your DNA in any top laboratoryin Europe

Pay for some therapy for yourself. Negligible amounts of diverse DNA is found in everyone on the planet but your kind of Jeetish behaviour is unique to South Asian insecure scum.

Arabs are proud of being Arabs.
Turks are proud of being Turks.
Indians are proud of being Indian.
So and so on.

Yet all these groups are somewhat mixed.

But South Asian insecure jeetry needs an excuse to bootlick foreigners because of their submissive inferiority complex.

 

[Cash gk]

Pay for some therapy for yourself. Negligible amounts of diverse DNA is found in everyone on the planet but your kind of Jeetish behaviour is unique to South Asian insecure scum.

Arabs are proud of being Arabs.
Turks are proud of being Turks.
Indians are proud of being Indian.
So and so on.

Yet all these groups are somewhat mixed.

But South Asian insecure jeetry needs an excuse to bootlick foreigners because of their submissive inferiority complex.

in Pakistan we have diverse origins and have assimilated into larger regional identities over time. For example, the Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis, and others have broad identities that encompass various tribes and communities with unique histories and origins. Here’s a refined and more detailed overview, incorporating into one nation that is Pakistanis

1. Mughals Originating from Central Asia, particularly the regions around modern-day Uzbekistan, the Mughals were descendants of the Mongol and Turkic tribes. They ruled the Indian subcontinent for centuries, blending Persian, Turkic, and Indian cultures, leaving a lasting legacy on the region’s art, architecture, and administration.
2. Rajputs: The Rajputs are originally warrior clans from Rajasthan and other northern parts of India. Over time, many Rajput tribes migrated to areas now in Pakistan, blending into Punjabi and Sindhi communities, especially in regions like Cholistan. I my self a Rajput
3. Pathans (Pashtuns): While originally from the areas surrounding Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan, many Pathan tribes trace their ancestry back to Central Asian, Persian, or even Greek origins due to ancient migrations and settlements over centuries. Tribes like the Yousafzai and Afridi are notable examples.
4. Baloch: The Baloch people have a rich history that includes ancient links to regions in Iran, the Arabian Peninsula, and beyond. Over time, they became a distinct ethnic group centred in Balochistan, with a strong tribal structure and a proud warrior tradition.
5. Sindhis: Indigenous to the Sindh region, Sindhis include numerous communities like the Sammas and Soomros, who have roots in various local and migratory tribes over centuries.
6. Punjabis: The Punjabi identity includes a multitude of communities, such as Jats, Rajputs, Arains, and Gujjars, each with its own migratory and historical background. Over time, these groups blended culturally and linguistically to form the Punjabi identity.
7. Muhajirs: This community includes various subgroups, such as the Memons, Bohras, and Khojas, who migrated from India during the 1947 partition. They brought diverse linguistic, cultural, and religious practices, enriching urban centres like Karachi.
8. Gujjars: A pastoral community with a presence across northern India and Pakistan, Gujjars have historical ties to Central Asia, having migrated through the region over centuries.
9. Syeds: Syeds claim descent from the Prophet Muhammad and originally migrated from the Arab world, including Iraq, Iran, and Central Asia. They often served as religious leaders and scholars.
10. Awan: The Awans are traditionally seen as warriors, with some tracing their ancestry to early Muslim invaders. They settled in the Punjab region and gradually became an integral part of its cultural mosaic.
11. Sheikhs: A diverse community often associated with trade, Sheikhs migrated from different parts of India and the Middle East, settling primarily in urban areas.
12. Arains: Known for their agricultural skills, the Arains have a historical presence in the Punjab region and are believed to have origins linked to early Muslim invaders.
13. Bohras and Khojas: These Muslim communities originally hail from Gujarat and other parts of India. They are known for their mercantile background and have played a significant role in the commercial life of cities like Karachi.
14. Kashmiris: Many Kashmiris migrated from the beautiful valleys of Kashmir, settling in cities across Pakistan, particularly in Punjab, where they became influential in business and politics.
15. Chalasis: This refers to the tribes from Chilas and surrounding areas, including the descendants of Greek soldiers who settled in the region after Alexander the Great’s campaigns. They have mixed with local populations over time.
16. Chughtais and Turanis: These groups are descendants of Turkic and Mongol tribes that migrated from Central Asia. Many were part of the Mughal administrative and military elite, integrating into South Asian society over generations.
17. Mongols: The Mongols, originally part of the vast empire established by Genghis Khan, eventually mixed with Turkic and Persian populations. They moved into the subcontinent during various invasions and settled, influencing the local culture and forming part of communities like the Mughal nobility.

These communities reflect the dynamic history of migration, conquest, and settlement that has shaped Pakistan’s diverse cultural landscape. Over time, many distinct groups have blended into broader regional identities like Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun, and Baloch, creating a rich and varied national tapestry.

 

[Cipher212]

It is tragic that even installing Taliban couldn't get the Afghans to forget about the old Durand line issue. Their people just can't think strategically.

If Pakistan and Afghanistan had good understanding and same level of development, then durand line would become irrelevant anyway. We'd all be crossing it daily on our cars like Europeans do in Schengen.

Instead it looks like they just want to continue being a thorn in our backside. They'll never gain anything and we'll constantly have to do operations/IBOs to handle TTP threat. But we'll never be able to finish it off completely because they'll always regroup in Afghanistan.

 

[Cash gk]

It is tragic that even installing Taliban couldn't get the Afghans to forget about the old Durand line issue. Their people just can't think strategically.

If Pakistan and Afghanistan had good understanding and same level of development, then durand line would become irrelevant anyway. We'd all be crossing it daily on our cars like Europeans do in Schengen.

Instead it looks like they just want to continue being a thorn in our backside. They'll never gain anything and we'll constantly have to do operations/IBOs to handle TTP threat. But we'll never be able to finish it off completely because they'll always regroup in Afghanistan.

In imran khan times Pakistan Afghanistan almost settled down Durand line. Since the hostile of Asim got into army chif office things had changed dramatically

 

[Cash gk]

Our struggling economy and the influence of foreign lenders, driven by powerful external forces, are putting pressure on Pakistan. These lenders seem intent on punishing not only the Afghan government but also Pakistan by imposing demands that force us into actions against our national interests. These requirements could have severe long-term consequences for Pakistan. They are pushing their assets in Pakistan towards a dead end, using pressure tactics that threaten our long-term national interests. These demands not only harm Pakistan’s sovereignty but also put us in difficult positions that serve foreign agendas, not our own

 

[Cipher212]

In imran khan times Pakistan Afghanistan almost settled down Durand line. Since the hostile of Asim got into army chif office things had changed dramatically

Yes it was better then, but maybe that was just the honeymoon period? At that time they were still fresh in government.

However I will say, if even Americans can do agreements with Taliban then why can't we find one where they don't harbor any TTP?

 

[Analyst]

in Pakistan we have diverse origins and have assimilated into larger regional identities over time. For example, the Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis, and others have broad identities that encompass various tribes and communities with unique histories and origins. Here’s a refined and more detailed overview, incorporating into one nation that is Pakistanis

1. Mughals Originating from Central Asia, particularly the regions around modern-day Uzbekistan, the Mughals were descendants of the Mongol and Turkic tribes. They ruled the Indian subcontinent for centuries, blending Persian, Turkic, and Indian cultures, leaving a lasting legacy on the region’s art, architecture, and administration.
2. Rajputs: The Rajputs are originally warrior clans from Rajasthan and other northern parts of India. Over time, many Rajput tribes migrated to areas now in Pakistan, blending into Punjabi and Sindhi communities, especially in regions like Cholistan. I my self a Rajput
3. Pathans (Pashtuns): While originally from the areas surrounding Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan, many Pathan tribes trace their ancestry back to Central Asian, Persian, or even Greek origins due to ancient migrations and settlements over centuries. Tribes like the Yousafzai and Afridi are notable examples.
4. Baloch: The Baloch people have a rich history that includes ancient links to regions in Iran, the Arabian Peninsula, and beyond. Over time, they became a distinct ethnic group centred in Balochistan, with a strong tribal structure and a proud warrior tradition.
5. Sindhis: Indigenous to the Sindh region, Sindhis include numerous communities like the Sammas and Soomros, who have roots in various local and migratory tribes over centuries.
6. Punjabis: The Punjabi identity includes a multitude of communities, such as Jats, Rajputs, Arains, and Gujjars, each with its own migratory and historical background. Over time, these groups blended culturally and linguistically to form the Punjabi identity.
7. Muhajirs: This community includes various subgroups, such as the Memons, Bohras, and Khojas, who migrated from India during the 1947 partition. They brought diverse linguistic, cultural, and religious practices, enriching urban centres like Karachi.
8. Gujjars: A pastoral community with a presence across northern India and Pakistan, Gujjars have historical ties to Central Asia, having migrated through the region over centuries.
9. Syeds: Syeds claim descent from the Prophet Muhammad and originally migrated from the Arab world, including Iraq, Iran, and Central Asia. They often served as religious leaders and scholars.
10. Awan: The Awans are traditionally seen as warriors, with some tracing their ancestry to early Muslim invaders. They settled in the Punjab region and gradually became an integral part of its cultural mosaic.
11. Sheikhs: A diverse community often associated with trade, Sheikhs migrated from different parts of India and the Middle East, settling primarily in urban areas.
12. Arains: Known for their agricultural skills, the Arains have a historical presence in the Punjab region and are believed to have origins linked to early Muslim invaders.
13. Bohras and Khojas: These Muslim communities originally hail from Gujarat and other parts of India. They are known for their mercantile background and have played a significant role in the commercial life of cities like Karachi.
14. Kashmiris: Many Kashmiris migrated from the beautiful valleys of Kashmir, settling in cities across Pakistan, particularly in Punjab, where they became influential in business and politics.
15. Chalasis: This refers to the tribes from Chilas and surrounding areas, including the descendants of Greek soldiers who settled in the region after Alexander the Great’s campaigns. They have mixed with local populations over time.
16. Chughtais and Turanis: These groups are descendants of Turkic and Mongol tribes that migrated from Central Asia. Many were part of the Mughal administrative and military elite, integrating into South Asian society over generations.
17. Mongols: The Mongols, originally part of the vast empire established by Genghis Khan, eventually mixed with Turkic and Persian populations. They moved into the subcontinent during various invasions and settled, influencing the local culture and forming part of communities like the Mughal nobility.

These communities reflect the dynamic history of migration, conquest, and settlement that has shaped Pakistan’s diverse cultural landscape. Over time, many distinct groups have blended into broader regional identities like Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun, and Baloch, creating a rich and varied national tapestry.

Shut the **** up instead of copying and pasting ChatGPT paragraphs mate.

Don't project your insecurity and complexes. Pashtuns know their tribes. Sindhis are proud of being Sindhi. Etc.

It's only you Mutalaba Pakistan Al-bakistanis who are insecure and want to be Arabs and everything else! No one else in the world does this even despite tracing long term ancestry elsewhere because they aren't insecure freaks.

 

[Lulldapull]

The two things are not connected, what we did in Afghanistan against multiple enemies HAD TO BE DONE, their were major long term strategic consequences

What's happening now is the fallout, ultimately the Afghans themselves will suffer.
The Afghans willl lose the most people
Suffer the bigger consequences
Remain isolated and trapped

We can only try to work with the Afghans, but as a fallen jahil people the he afghanis will be afghanis and sometimes the best you can do is manage the jahil Afghan population

Ye haramzaday afghani/ assorted insurgents aesay baaz ne aanay. Jiss tarha Iran in k sar kuchal deta hae apnay jack boots say, aur phir in ko sadqa deta hae, we need to adopt that policy bro…..

There ain’t no other way to look at this drama.

We are seriously getting tired of all this dehshatgardi with no end in sight.

We’ve tried everything under da sun to appease to educate to bring them out of tribalism and conflict.

Nothing seems to work. We can’t inculcate a sense of nationhood in them.

We need to take a page from Irans playbook here or else we can kiss our republic good bye.

 

[KAAFIR]

The effort to win was Pakistan's, whether it's accepted or not, it was one of the greatest strategic victories and a plan that was expertly planned out

However that part is over now


The follow on has to be dealt with, our problem which no one else shares is that we have a population in our western border regions that shares ethnic kinship with the Afghans, combined with a difficult border on harsh terrain is why we have so many issues there

Regarding anything else, we are fine with China and Iran and anyway they can develop with Afghanistan

Our problem with the Afghans in far more deep rooted and may never be resolved and we may have to manage the namak harams forever

As an Indian I never prayed for Pakistan. But first time I pray and wish may Pakistan get so many greatest victories in near future like you did in Afganistan with Taliban's take over, according to you.