Egypt is close to a historic deal: American F-15 fighters are on the cusp of the Egyptian Air Force

[Flotilla]

The new fighters may be able to counter Israel's 4th gen fleet, but Egypt won't face Israel's 4th gen fleet.

Let´s be honest.
1º.- We can suspect that AIM120 delivered to Egypt would be a downgraded version of them.
2º.- Even if in such conditions a lucky egyptian pilot fire something more advanced than a swear to an israeli pilot... after 24 hours Congress/Pentagon will swtich off all logistic line of those white elephants.

C´mon egyptians!!!! GO EAST!!!! BUY J35 NOW!!!!

 

[dbc]

Oh come on, you know what I meant. You even just explained it. How likely is it for Egypt's fleet of fighters to get close enough to shoot down the F-35, before being shot down itself? Very unlikely.

The new fighters may be able to counter Israel's 4th gen fleet, but Egypt won't face Israel's 4th gen fleet.

Considering Israel is well on its way to have +80 f-35Is, the Egyptians won't even face Israel's older F-15/16s and Mirage/Kfirs.

I maintain this is a vanity purchase.

You do know Israeli and Egyptian air space are adjacent and Israel has no territorial depth. As a matter of fact Israel's Ramon Airbase is 17 kms from the Egyptian border. Major Israeli bases/ cities are well within artillery and rocket range of Egyptian forces. The F-35 or any VLO platform isn't going to be a game changer in any conflict between Israel and Egypt. Besides, I don't think Israeli's are stupid enough to start a war with Egypt an immediate neighbor that can send numerically superior forces into Israel very quickly and overwhelm its ability to defend her territory and citizens..

..and Egypt isn't stupid to start a fight with Israel either knowing NATO is very close to her border.

 

[That_Guy]

You do know Israeli and Egyptian air space are adjacent and Israel has no territorial depth. As a matter of fact Israel's Ramon Airbase is 17 kms from the Egyptian border. Major Israeli bases/ cities are well within artillery and rocket range of Egyptian forces. The F-35 or any VLO platform isn't going to be a game changer in any conflict between Israel and Egypt. Besides, I don't think Israeli's are stupid enough to start a war with Egypt an immediate neighbor that can send numerically superior forces into Israel very quickly and overwhelm its ability to defend her territory and citizens..

..and Egypt isn't stupid to start a fight with Israel either knowing NATO is very close to her border.

That assumes Egypt...

A) attacks first.

Or

B) has the capability to actually defeat Israel in combat.

I don't believe either is the case.

In any conflict, Israel would see Egypt coming, and if I'm correct, Egypt's air force would be next to useless, as Israel would be able to deal with the Egyptian air force.

Israel may not have territorial depth, but thata exactly why the US has given Israel such a massive technological edge, which essentially gets rid of that weakness.

 

[HAIDER]

Without BVR these are just waste of time and resources. China is making 400-600km BVR missiles while America will not even give 100km BVR missiles to their Arab allies.

forget parts, only give IFF, that may be effective, which will never happened, otherwise ...........

 

[Waz]

Erm not a good idea.

 

[The SC]

Let´s be honest.
1º.- We can suspect that AIM120 delivered to Egypt would be a downgraded version of them.
2º.- Even if in such conditions a lucky egyptian pilot fire something more advanced than a swear to an israeli pilot... after 24 hours Congress/Pentagon will swtich off all logistic line of those white elephants.

C´mon egyptians!!!! GO EAST!!!! BUY J35 NOW!!!!

Egypt wants both the American and Chinese fighter aircrafts..

 

[The SC]

Given the fact that you already celebrated the delivery of J-10C and together with your other buddy even claimed "soon they will build them in Egypt for the whole ME" and NOTHING happened since it was a similar obscure source I would say, this too is as FAKE as these latest claims, Iran would buy Chinese J-10!

It's been 2 months since the exercises with China..You don't build a manufacturing plant in 2 months..mind you!

 

[The SC]

They do have Russian BVR´ Air to air missiles and french but just not on American warplanes.

But F-15EX is kinda of meh at this point in time.. They should go for Kaans or FC31

They are going for all 3 of them..

 

[The SC]

Saudi air force is very good but please do not claim there is not a manpower issue. The RSAF still relies heavily on outside contractors and deputised personnel

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[The SC]

My God, you are all over the place. First you say you have no manpower problems then you say

"The reason for this is simple, KSA did not want to engage with troops in Yemen due to tribal/clan/religious reasons"

Which sounds like a manpower problem. Make up your mind.

There was no manpower shortage.. the official Yemeni Government has troops of its own..supported by KSA ..hope you understand the situation..If you were on the old PDF you'd have seen maps I posted on a daily bases of battles between Yemeni forces and Houthis..

 

[The SC]

You do know Israeli and Egyptian air space are adjacent and Israel has no territorial depth. As a matter of fact Israel's Ramon Airbase is 17 kms from the Egyptian border. Major Israeli bases/ cities are well within artillery and rocket range of Egyptian forces. The F-35 or any VLO platform isn't going to be a game changer in any conflict between Israel and Egypt. Besides, I don't think Israeli's are stupid enough to start a war with Egypt an immediate neighbor that can send numerically superior forces into Israel very quickly and overwhelm its ability to defend her territory and citizens..

..and Egypt isn't stupid to start a fight with Israel either knowing NATO is very close to her border.

That is very true..All of Israel is under the watchful eyes of Egyptian early warning Radars and satellites.. no airplane can take off from Israel without being detected and tracked..BTW Egypt on top of its very powerful Radars has the Rezonans-NE with 1500km range..this system that can detect certain air targets at 1100 km distance and even low-orbiting satellites such as observation satellites.

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[The SC]

Not a fly can go throgh Egyptian Skies undetected: words of NATO..

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[The SC]

forget parts, only give IFF, that may be effective, which will never happened, otherwise ...........

Egypt makes its own IFF for decades now..

 

[Blain2]

What are people even discussing in this thread?

Even if Egypt woke up tomorrow morning and decided to attack Israel (extremely unlikely - geopolitically the rise of Ethiopia and the whole topic of the Nile is of a much bigger importance to the survival of Egypt as a state), no amount of fighter jets, not US, not Russian, not Chinese or Martian, would put Egypt ahead of Israel simply due to the simple fact that the US/West would come to the rescue of Israel as they did in prior conflicts. Even more so today.

Pakistan would not be any different here.

Only somewhat equal would be China and Russia (solely due to nukes and the risk of mutual destruction).

Against Ethiopia and terrorist groups within the vicinity of Egypt, this is more than enough and if it helps solidify the alliance with US/being on good terms, even better for the Egyptian military.

Of course the F-35 would be much better but good luck with that with the parasitic Jewish lobby and its influence in the US.

Even a long-term ally like KSA, whose alliance/partnership with the US predates the "birth" of Israel as a country, we are yet to see the F-35 being cleared for export to KSA. I want to see it before I fully believe it despite the constant rumors in the past few weeks.

It is pretty simple, the nuclear-armed regional implant (Israel) is fully protected politically, economically and militarily 24/7 by the US and combined West.

If the genocide in Gaza did not ONCE AGAIN confirm this for the entire world to see, I don't know what will.

It is this reality that Egypt has to navigate in and everyone else in the region.

Yes, but navigate with some thought for the future if Gaza was an eye opener. The western planted Zionist Trojan horse is already in the Middle East. As such, should the Arab states simply kowtow and become subservient to the hegemony of Israel or should the strategy be to diversify and create alternate options?

So what if you have to buy Chinese? Why not go nuclear? Not that it is easy but it is either this or eating dung ($hit) at the hands of the Israelis and their guardians in the west for perpetuity. Yes, Pakistan is in the same boat but of a different kind, but together with Pakistan, with Turkey, create options with support from China and Russia. This is not to suggest enmity with the United States but to be able to balance the interests of the godforsaken people in various Muslim countries who are perpetually victims of powers that be.

Middle Eastern countries and Pakistan alike have the Stockholm syndrome. Being cheated upon, betrayed yet the urge to run back to the abuser is mind-boggling. BTW, I say this understanding that creating alternates is difficult, but it has to start somewhere and sometime. If not now then when?

What was fiction in terms of the concept of "Greater Israel" only a decade ago is becoming a reality. One step at a time and they have designs on most of the countries in the ME. However, the entire crop of current ME leadership seems to be on auto-pilot drifting into the oblivion.

 

[studsmart]

If there are any lessons to be drawn from the Pakistan-India conflict of May 2025, Egypt, equipped with its modern Rafale, F-16, and potentially F-15 aircraft, is at a disadvantage when compared to Israel. Firstly, these platforms are downgraded from standard version and lack modern Beyond Visual Range (BVR) capabilities. Furthermore, Egypt is unable to engage effectively with an ABC configuration. This particular capability is absent in any Israeli neighboring country, except possibly Turkey, should it be considered an Israeli neighbor.