Egyptian Armed Forces

[The SC]

Hey ma dear bro wus up!? I couldn't get on as Gomig-21 and kept requesting help but my email address was all messed up so I had to try with a new username. I tried to keep it close to my original and Webmaster just activated it. I'll try to get my original username & account back but I need the email contact info if anyone has it. I'm not even sure what the heck happened with the original forum?! I just would like access to all the threads I had opened with the pics I shared from my personal connection that I never saved on my laptop!

Anyway, Ramadan Kareem to everyone good to be here and great to see you again ma bro SC! Great thread start as usual!

Oh! Ramadan Kareem..

What a surprise..I'm very happy to see you back..

I think the Admins might get your name and number of posts..rank..etc ..but no threads..

I have saved some old threads on another forum in the confusion that followed the announcement of closing the old PDF.. and I brought them back here.. not too many..but just for a good start..


So glad you are here Bro..

 

[GoMig-21]

Which AD system downed the drone?

I would venture to guess that they used the new IRIS-T-SLM SAMs they recently purchased from Germany to test their advertised prowess, and it worked. It all depends on the distance they shot the drone from as well as the speed the drone was traveling at as well since there are a few systems in the EADS that can shoot down fast traveling projectiles like these Iranian drones the Houthis are using.

There are other options as well depending on if they have any of the navy ships patroling the Red Sea. They could've used a slew of their available ASTER 15/30 from the Gowinds, the Berghaminis or Tahyia Misr FREMM or even one of the two new MEKOS (although those might still be on trials with the EN) or the MICAs from the Gowinds (I believe) or if Gamal Abdel Nasser was patrolling within range maybe they were close enough to fire a bunch of Avengers.

There's also the S-300VM however, between that system and the IRIS-T-SLM, it's not clear yet if either of those systems are actually active and ready to go. Plenty of rumors that the S-300 has been put in storage because of the US being upset that it was bought and they also made a stink about them. So the IRIS-T is a more likely choice HOWEVER, there is also rumors that prior to the delivery of that system from Germany, they were diverted to Ukraine under some urgency pact and the Egyptian order was pushed to a later batch. Then there is the news from our buddy at Kannat Al Siasat Al 3Askareyya who said the original order of 8 batteries has been followed by an additional 17 batteries! If there is any truth to that (and that guy is pretty spot on about his news) then that means the EADS is very happy with that incredible SAM system and now will end up with 8 + 17 = 25 batteries of the IRIS-T-SLM. So my opinion is that they probably used that and they did in fact have possession of one or two batteries and they're set up in the Sinai (which is another obstacle), then they used that. The S-300 has a 200km+/- range so they could've fired that from the way west of the Red Sea and not in Sinai. The S-300VM is also possible but not sure of its active state. The other systems besides naval ones are shorter to medium range (roughly 30km so unlikely. 30 KM is basically the opening of Bab El Mandab straight which is tiny, and why the Houthis have such an advantage to target the ships in such a compact and narrow passage made even narrower as the channels that are safe depth for those cargo ships to pass through are even narrower.

 

[The SC]

I would venture to guess that they used the new IRIS-T-SLM SAMs they recently purchased from Germany to test their advertised prowess, and it worked. It all depends on the distance they shot the drone from as well as the speed the drone was traveling at as well since there are a few systems in the EADS that can shoot down fast traveling projectiles like these Iranian drones the Houthis are using.

There are other options as well depending on if they have any of the navy ships patroling the Red Sea. They could've used a slew of their available ASTER 15/30 from the Gowinds, the Berghaminis or Tahyia Misr FREMM or even one of the two new MEKOS (although those might still be on trials with the EN) or the MICAs from the Gowinds (I believe) or if Gamal Abdel Nasser was patrolling within range maybe they were close enough to fire a bunch of Avengers.

There's also the S-300VM however, between that system and the IRIS-T-SLM, it's not clear yet if either of those systems are actually active and ready to go. Plenty of rumors that the S-300 has been put in storage because of the US being upset that it was bought and they also made a stink about them. So the IRIS-T is a more likely choice HOWEVER, there is also rumors that prior to the delivery of that system from Germany, they were diverted to Ukraine under some urgency pact and the Egyptian order was pushed to a later batch. Then there is the news from our buddy at Kannat Al Siasat Al 3Askareyya who said the original order of 8 batteries has been followed by an additional 17 batteries! If there is any truth to tnat (and that guy is pretty spot on about his news) then that means the EADS is very happy with that incredible SAM system and now will end up with 8 + 17 = 25 batteries of the IRIS-T-SL. So my opinion is that they probably used that if they did have possession of it and they're set up in the Sinai or they used the S-300VM all also depending on the range. The other systems besides naval ones are shorter to medium range (roughly 30km so unlikely.

If the distance was within range of the TOR/BUK M series they have plenty of, they could've used one of those systems that we know they have a large variety of.

23 batteries of Iris-T for sure..maybe 25.. and it was confirmed.. we even had threads on it in the old PDF..

 

[GoMig-21]

Oh! Ramadan Kareem..

What a surprise..I'm very happy to see you back..

I think the Admins might get your name and number of posts..rank..etc ..but no threads..

I have saved some old threads on another forum in the confusion that followed the announcement of closing the old PDF.. and I brought them back here.. not too many..but just for a good start..


So glad you are here Bro..

Thank you my dear brother but not as happy as I am to see you! Hopefully everyone who was on the old is here now. I see @Ghostkiller of course ma man @Ramses Akhenaten Ahmose.

 

[GoMig-21]

23 batteries of Iris-T for sure..maybe 25.. and it was confirmed.. we even had threads on it in the old PDF..

Yeah that would be my choice as well followed by the Asters from the Berghaminis in close 2nd. If you say there's confirmation of them there and active, then that's good enough for me!

 

[The SC]

Yeah that would be my choice as well followed by the Asters from the Berghaminis in close 2nd. If you say there's confirmation of them there and active, then that's good enough for me!

I'm not sure where they have placed them ..I was just mentioning that there are 23 batteries confirmed contracted with Germany..It is an integrated system on its own comprising short. medium and long ranges.. it was to be used to protect very high assets..like Dabaa nuclear plant, the new capital.. the Octagon and so on..

 

[GoMig-21]

This is why the Egyptian Navy wants this AC..

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This is mind-blowing my bro! If they find a way to purchase this thing with 24 Rafale Ms and have the ability to not only operate it safely to its fullest capacity but maintaining all its complex and super dangerous systems and also maintaining its two nuclear-powered fuel reactors AND refueling them every what, 7 years............including training marine Rafale pilots to launch off catapults and land on a wire arrested system........that would be a monumental feat!

 

[Ali_Baba]

I see only the South Korean K2 Panther MBT.. the Kamov is also possible with the new K-52M.. and of course the Antei 4000..but if the Armata is available too..why not!

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Ka-52M is now equipped with a ventral all-round radar station that operates within the centimeter frequency range. this advanced radar system grants Ka-52M pilots superior command in adverse environmental conditions where optical visibility is negligible.

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South Korean K2 Panther MBT would be a good addition and would provide an edge on land warfare for sure.

 

[The SC]

This is mind-blowing my bro! If they find a way to purchase this thing with 24 Rafale Ms and have the ability to not only operate it safely to its fullest capacity but maintaining all its complex and super dangerous systems and also maintaining its two nuclear-powered fuel reactors AND refueling them every what, 7 years............including training marine Rafale pilots to launch off catapults and land on a wire arrested system........that would be a monumental feat!

I believe it is in the long term pipeline..

 

[The SC]

Thank you my dear brother but not as happy as I am to see you! Hopefully everyone who was on the old is here now. I see @Ghostkiller of course ma man @Ramses Akhenaten Ahmose.

I hope they will all come back., it will make our section livelier..I guess it is a question of time.. the new PDF threads can be seen on google again..So they might stumble on some and open them to see how active it is now..

 

[GoMig-21]

I believe it is in the long term pipeline..

That sounds right since it will take a long time to execute such a behemoth of a deal in terms of "international political approvals" (if you know what I mean...Ehm...) and then there is the acquisition aspect from financing to the tremendous trials for training to be able to hand it completely over to the Egyptian Navy which now will have to institute a Naval/Marine military aviation unit which so far as we know, does not exist in the Egyptian Armed Forces or air forces combat units (with the exception of the Mistrals attack & SAR/logistical helicopter units). I'm not even sure if those units fall under the EAF or if they're designated with their own marine/naval designations? This, in of itself is a huge ordeal to execute since naval aviators are a whole new and different breed altogether and, in this case, brand spanking new with a whole new and different type of flying training. Fascinating stuff to be certain.

Then when you hear about the below videos news you posted from our buddy who is probably the most trustworthy information provider out of all the YouTubes channels IMO and he's talking about the largest military base in Sinai which is one huge ordeal we really need to look into lol, but also a base in Djibouti where Ismail Omar has already visited Egypt and President Sisi so you know they've already discussed this possibility. In that case, if this happens, then not only will the two Mistrals duties expand greatly to blue waters, but all the EN and it now makes sense why they're looking to add more AIP submarines like the Barracudas & Scorpenes and of course, the carrier. This explains those ambitious acquisitions.

Egypt is preparing to open the largest military base in the region in Sinai!

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Egypt is preparing to establish its first foreign military base in Jibouti in front of Bab al-Mandab!

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[The SC]

That sounds right since it will take a long time to execute such a behemoth of a deal in terms of "international political approvals" (if you know what I mean...Ehm...) and then there is the acquisition aspect from financing to the tremendous trials for training to be able to hand it completely over to the Egyptian Navy which now will have to institute a Naval/Marine military aviation unit which so far as we know, does not exist in the Egyptian Armed Forces or air forces combat units (with the exception of the Mistrals attack & SAR/logistical helicopter units). I'm not even sure if those units fall under the EAF or if they're designated with their own marine/naval designations? This, in of itself is a huge ordeal to execute since naval aviators are a whole new and different breed altogether and, in this case, brand spanking new with a whole new and different type of flying training. Fascinating stuff to be certain.

Then when you hear about the below videos news you posted from our buddy who is probably the most trustworthy information provider out of all the YouTubes channels IMO and he's talking about the largest military base in Sinai which is one huge ordeal we really need to look into lol, but also a base in Djibouti where Ismail Omar has already visited Egypt and President Sisi so you know they've already discussed this possibility. In that case, if this happens, then not only will the two Mistrals duties expand greatly to blue waters, but all the EN and it now makes sense why they're looking to add more AIP submarines like the Barracudas & Scorpenes and of course, the carrier. This explains those ambitious acquisitions.

Yes Egypt can!
Give it 3/4 years of training after the procurement of the AC and the Egyptian naval officers and pilots will master every aspect of technologies and systems on board..

 

[GoMig-21]

Yes Egypt can!
Give it 3/4 years of training after the procurement of the AC and the Egyptian naval officers and pilots will master every aspect of technologies and systems on board..

So the Air Force in Arabic of course is: القوات الجوية المصرية as it's also written on the side of the Apache helicopters only, I haven't seen that on any other piece of equipment from all the old MiGs/Mirages/etc. since there really was never any naval detachment with the Armed Forces where they did have some very interesting labels and obviously it's translated to - El Qūwāt El Gawīyä El Maṣrīya so a newly formed naval aviation combat unit is what.....El Qūwāt El Gawīyä El Baharīya? Sounds GREAT to me!

Being that I only noticed that Arabic for Air Force only on the Egyptian Apaches and nothing else suggests that the attack helo units comprising of attack helo units are part of the EAF. That raises the question of what about the Ka-52s that are attached with the Mistrals? Or perform in conjunction with the helo carriers? These things are actually fascinatingly interesting.

 

[GoMig-21]

Yes Egypt can!
Give it 3/4 years of training after the procurement of the AC and the Egyptian naval officers and pilots will master every aspect of technologies and systems on board..

So the Air Force in Arabic of course is: القوات الجوية المصرية as it's also written on the side of the Apache helicopters only, I haven't seen that on any other piece of equipment from all the old MiGs/Mirages/etc. not even cargo/transport aircraft. And since there really was never any naval detachment with the Armed Forces where they did have some very interesting labels, there was never 'Egyptian Air Force' written on them.

So obviously it's written in Arabic/English as - El Qūwāt El Gawīyä El Maṣrīya
A newly formed naval aviation combat unit is what.....El Qūwāt El Gawīyä El Baharīya? Sounds GREAT to me!

Being that I noticed that Arabic for Air Force is only on the Egyptian Apaches and nothing else suggests that the attack helo units comprising of not only the designated attack helicopters, but SAR & logistical/transport units are all designated as part of the EAF.

That raises the question of what about the current Ka-52 units that are flying maritime ops off of the Mistrals that we have seen with folding rotors etc.? Are they also considered part of the EAF or is there some unit created as part of the army and get attached to naval units?

All this brings up another interesting point and that is what about a strictly Army unit for these attack helo units since that's essentially who they represent more so than the Air Force? I had this discussion with a Pakistani member a few years ago who asked me if there was a designated Army detachment for aviation units in that serves with army ground units (which would also include dedicated ground support aircraft and CAS (close air support) like the white K-8Es and I said not that I was aware of. He told me the Pakistani military does which is the way it should be of course. In that case they can also perform in conjunction with the helo carriers or by then, form a dedicated Naval/Marine Aviation unit of course. These things are actually fascinatingly interesting, to me anyway!

 

[The SC]

So the Air Force in Arabic of course is: القوات الجوية المصرية as it's also written on the side of the Apache helicopters only, I haven't seen that on any other piece of equipment from all the old MiGs/Mirages/etc. not even cargo/transport aircraft. And since there really was never any naval detachment with the Armed Forces where they did have some very interesting labels, there was never 'Egyptian Air Force' written on them.

So obviously it's written in Arabic/English as - El Qūwāt El Gawīyä El Maṣrīya
A newly formed naval aviation combat unit is what.....El Qūwāt El Gawīyä El Baharīya? Sounds GREAT to me!

Being that I noticed that Arabic for Air Force is only on the Egyptian Apaches and nothing else suggests that the attack helo units comprising of not only the designated attack helicopters, but SAR & logistical/transport units are all designated as part of the EAF.

That raises the question of what about the current Ka-52 units that are flying maritime ops off of the Mistrals that we have seen with folding rotors etc.? Are they also considered part of the EAF or is there some unit created as part of the army and get attached to naval units?

All this brings up another interesting point and that is what about a strictly Army unit for these attack helo units since that's essentially who they represent more so than the Air Force? I had this discussion with a Pakistani member a few years ago who asked me if there was a designated Army detachment for aviation units in that serves with army ground units (which would also include dedicated ground support aircraft and CAS (close air support) like the white K-8Es and I said not that I was aware of. He told me the Pakistani military does which is the way it should be of course. In that case they can also perform in conjunction with the helo carriers or by then, form a dedicated Naval/Marine Aviation unit of course. These things are actually fascinatingly interesting, to me anyway!

I've seen both the Apache and K-52 playing both roles..but..the latter have some units dedicated to the navy as you said about the folding wings..