Egyptian Armed Forces

[Sami_1]

I remeber president Sisi visited CATIC exhibition area in Egypt, where they mentioned a joint project, any idea on what is the project?

Projects for Chinese fighter jets J-10 as a current project and J-35 after the completion of the aircraft’s trials and the entry of the first squadron into service in the Chinese Navy, Egypt requested its local production.

 

[Sami_1]

Egypt was modifying MiG-17 fighters with a pylon carrying 4 missiles, and a weapons mount was developed on the MiG-19 and Su-7 to increase their weapons-carrying capabilities in the October War locally at the time.


Any provision of PYLON to fighters, whether triple or quadruple, has been around since the seventies, and the Russians also have solutions that have not been announced in the media for many years. The same applies to announcing the types of ammunition purchased. Countries only release what they want to announce.

 

[ENS]

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First of all, things have other calculations. The idea of training on fighters in Egypt differs from the West in the field of the number of training hours on each model because the fighter fleet in Samar is simply different. Egypt has a large number of models and a limited number of newer models. Therefore, training on less expensive aircraft to carry out missions due to their availability in large numbers, then moving to confirm this concept on newer aircraft. Rafale fighter pilots came from MIRAGE-2000 F-16 MIRAGE-5 fighters. For example, why not use Mirage fighters in training that saves many hours of flight on RAFALE fighters? And for another important reason that the Egyptian Air Force ignores, the weakness of the Greek Air Force. The ease of using various fighters in carrying out training and missions differs from Greece, which has a limited number of fighters compared to Egypt.
Today, a review of the 6th Armored Division is being displayed. Not all of the weapons are being displayed, nor are they the latest. Rather, those who manage the warehouses are being informed that the weapons that will be displayed are xxxx, which gives the impression to people like you and observers of a specific impression and armament that Egypt possesses, not the real possessions or actual capabilities of Egypt. For example, Egypt possesses 600 artillery rockets of 400-300 mm caliber that have not been displayed since the beginning of their presence, nor even the Saqr 80 system, which has been present in large numbers since 1988, nor even the SEMRCH/URGAN systems and the huge numbers of 155 mm towed artillery. Rather,
Egypt, according to the Eastern Colonel, does not display its latest equipment, nor does it display the full equipment of the weapons used. Not a single Egyptian tank appeared with its full equipment, nor even the updates that are made to the equipment, nor the integration processes between Western and Eastern weapons to obtain equipment with better efficiency.
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only specific weapons are being displayed, even what the Israelis publish about what we think are undeclared Egyptian weapons. What the Israelis want to display is not Egypt’s full capabilities, so as not to cause panic among non-military personnel there. Rather, the discussion of the real Egyptian military capabilities is between Israeli and American military personnel, which is what makes there be American insistence on not providing advanced weapons. For Egypt because Egypt's real capabilities are much greater than what is announced and this is the reason for the real Egyptian deterrence.
Back to fighter training, Egypt, for example, used the Chinese F-6 as an advanced training aircraft for the F-16 fighter for more than 20 years, and the flight systems developed to give this aircraft a resemblance to the F-16 fighter.Therefore, your calculations are completely wrong.The most important thing is the level of training of Egyptian pilots and their efficiency. Here we come to a much more important point.The country that conducts the most international air training annually in the Middle East is Egypt. 28 maneuvers annually include individual maneuvers with Gulf countries and maneuvers with more than one country, with Jordan, with Europe, France, England, Germany, Italy, Greece, with the United States, and recently India and Pakistan. This allows Egypt to train every Egyptian pilot to carry out an international maneuver and interact with pilots in different countries every year for a large number of foreign pilots. Isn't this considered higher-level training than the number of flight hours carried out on a model used only to reduce the capabilities of Egyptian pilots only for the purpose of not knowledge, but criticism and disparagement and showing that they are less efficient and effective.Coming to the practical side, Egypt's external operations carried out over the past ten years highlight the efficiency of Egyptian pilots.The operation to strike Derna, Libya Included the use of 60 Egyptian fighters, electronic warfare aircraft, Egyptian early warning aircraft, and Egyptian helicopters, whether to rescue pilots in the event of a plane crash or even to carry out airstrikes and capture terrorists accompanying the implementation of operations 1,000 kilometers from Egyptian airports. The operation succeeded with 100% efficiency without any losses in equipment or pilots.Also, the use of F-16 fighters within the coalition forces in Yemen and the training of Gulf pilots, despite the fact that the equipment of the Egyptian F-16 fighters is less, has proven their efficiency in carrying out missions.Undeclared operations and what are called unknown aircraftThe operation to destroy aviation facilities and strike the Al-Watiya air base, air defense systems, and Turkish electronic warfare systems was carried out successfully and without any objection from the Turkish side.The implementation of operations to strike RSF forces in Sudan last week after the Sudanese side bowed and submitted to the Egyptian requests regarding the Nile waters and regarding the Halayeb and Shalateen file, successful air strikes were carried out that led to the liberation of most parts of the capital Khartoum and struck all the stockpiles and gatherings of the RSF forces and provided intelligence information as well as aerial reconnaissance images of all the RSF forces and their positions in Sudan to the Sudanese side, which was shocked by Egypt's capabilities in this field, although they are not present on Sudanese territory. Also, the same strikes in CHAD for weapons provided to the RSF forces and airports inside Sudan are not known to the Sudanese side, which shows that the capabilities of the Egyptian intelligence, equipped with large jet aircraft for reconnaissance and electronic warfare, in addition to the Air Force aircraft, to detect threats to Egypt in neighboring countries by air sorties in neighboring countries away from the Egyptian Air Force. Air sorties and electronic reconnaissance are carried out in the Somali theater of operations, whether by reconnaissance aircraft or drones, to provide information about the Ethiopian army and terrorist groups to eliminate them whenever orders are issued, as the flow of information is necessary to carry out precise strikes
And do you compare the Egyptian air force with air forces that have less equipment or less equipment? Egypt's training thought may be more advanced than some may imagine. I employ the best I have, and even the ground training systems of simulators are not only simulators for fighters and training aircraft by reaching simulators for homogeneous and heterogeneous combat formations to create a complex combat work environment by mixing between the machine and the human to provide the best combat performance, not only fire control systems or intermediate command systems of the fifth generation or on the multiple levels of combat dimensions, as well as integrating the various branches of the combat system in a way that no one expects. Things are not as trivial as talking about the number of hours of fighter flight, as if Egypt gives a report on the number of hours of pilot flight and whether they are at the level of efficiency of their counterparts according to a mentality that does not originally understand how to achieve the best level of training at the lowest possible cost by exploiting everything available. The training simulator on the Egyptian La Rafale fighters is developed from the French and also integrated combat homogeneity between the Rafale fighters. And MIG-29M fighters to achieve a distinct combat efficiency between the two and even the joint use of French, Russian, American and local ammunition by exchanging between fighters to carry out missions at the lowest possible cost and the highest operational capacity.We return to training on fighters, Egypt, for example, used the Chinese F-6 aircraft as an advanced training aircraft for the F-16 fighter for more than 20 years and the flight systems that were developed to give a resemblance to this aircraft to be closer to the F-16 fighters.Therefore, your calculations are completely wrong.The most important thing is the level of training of Egyptian pilots and their efficiency, and here we come to a much more important point.The country that conducts the most international air training annually in the Middle East is Egypt, 28 maneuvers annually, including individual maneuvers with Gulf countries and maneuvers of more than one country, with Jordan, with Europe, France, England, Germany, Italy, Greece, with the United States, and recently India and Pakistan. This allows Egypt to train every Egyptian pilot to carry out an international maneuver and interact with pilots in different countries every year for large numbers of Foreign pilots, isn't this considered a higher level of training than the number of flight hours carried out on a model used only to reduce the capabilities of Egyptian pilots only for the purpose of not knowledge but criticism and disparagement and showing that they are less efficient and effective?Coming to the practical side, Egypt's external operations carried out during the past ten years highlight the efficiency of Egyptian pilots.The operation to strike Derna, Libya
It included the use of 60 Egyptian fighters, electronic warfare aircraft, Egyptian early warning aircraft, and Egyptian helicopters, whether to rescue pilots in the event of a plane crash or even to carry out rescue operations and capture terrorists accompanying the implementation of operations 1000 kilometers from Egyptian airports. The operation was 100% successful without any losses in equipment or pilots.
Also, the use of F-16 fighters within the coalition forces in Yemen and the training of Gulf pilots, despite the fact that the Egyptian F-16 fighters are less equipped, have proven their efficiency in carrying out missions.
Undeclared operations and what is called unknown aircraft
The operation to destroy the aviation facilities and strike the Al-Watiya air base, air defense systems and Turkish electronic warfare systems was carried out successfully and without any objection from the Turkish side.
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Because the Egyptian Air Force is large in size, it can employ each aircraft in the missions that are best for it. For example, it employs the MIG-29M in air defense missions, in which it excels over other fighters.
The implementation of operations to strike the RSF forces in Sudan last week after the Sudanese side bowed and submitted to the Egyptian requests regarding the Nile waters and regarding the Halayeb and Shalateen file. Successful air strikes were carried out, which led to the liberation of most parts of the capital, Khartoum, and the striking of all the RSF forces’ stockpiles and gatherings, and the provision of intelligence information as well as aerial reconnaissance images of all the RSF forces and their concentrations in Sudan to the Sudanese side, which was shocked by Egypt’s capabilities in this field, although they are not present on Sudanese territory. Also, the same strikes in CHAD for weapons provided to the RSF forces and airports inside Sudan, which the Sudanese side does not know about, which shows that the capabilities of the Egyptian intelligence, equipped with large jet aircraft for reconnaissance and electronic warfare, in addition to the Air Force aircraft, to detect threats to Egypt in neighboring countries, are carried out by air sorties in neighboring countries away from the Egyptian Air Force. Air sorties and electronic reconnaissance are carried out in the Somali theater of operations, whether by reconnaissance aircraft or drones, to provide information about the Ethiopian army and terrorist groups to eliminate them whenever orders are issued, so the flow of information Necessary to carry out precision strikes
Therefore, what you want to show about the low training hours of Egyptian fighter pilots cannot be true or credible, but only in the framework of derogation. Also, I cannot present information that cannot be presented or highlighted because it is considered secrets or confirm or deny what you say, but I give what is the practical measure of the level of training and what you say is not credible according to what I explained to him previously. The Egyptians, as arms importers, employ their stockpiles of weapons, equipment and ammunition for operational use in war. Pakistan, for its part, used spare parts for Egyptian F-16 fighters in the years 1996-2000 when there was an American embargo on Pakistan, which allowed the Pakistanis to use F-16 fighters at an equivalent rate even under the embargo. The same story applies to M1A1 tanks. The Americans thought that they controlled spare parts and ammunition to restrict the Egyptians’ ability to use them even under the war. This is what Egypt is dealing with seriously under the embargo. Arming from the West to implement its plans could happen at any moment
We come to more important points: the integration of fighters, drones, and aircraft that provide early warning services, aerial reconnaissance, and electronic warfare in a more integrated manner. Egypt exploits its possession of huge quantities of drones in joint flight operations that exploit all parts of the Egyptian air combat system. The CH-4, CH-5, and WZ-7 aircraft were integrated with early warning aircraft to expand the range of radar detection with large numbers of different American and Russian balloons in a complete combat system that also provides distinctive combat flexibility and exploitation of each piece of equipment. The same applies to the integration of electronic warfare aircraft with drones and also ground equipment that provides complementarity in carrying out missions.

We come to a more important point that Western planners ignore.

Egyptian fighters are not primarily used for air defense and air guard missions carried out by Western air forces because they simply use different ratios between air patrol and air defense missions for fighters according to other standards than Western ones, given that Egypt is the one who employed Air defense systems to carry out the tasks of guarding the Egyptian airspace, which is a major branch of the Egyptian army. You are talking about an air defense organization that had 150 air defense batteries, 300 air defense artillery batteries, and 300 radars in the October 1973 war. After 50 years, this organization increased the range of engagement with hostile air targets to 350 kilometers for air defense missiles, and doubled the range of the old systems that were redeveloped as gray systems. Also, 300 short-range air defense batteries were added, replacing air defense artillery with huge numbers of radar-guided missiles and cannons, in addition to doubling the capacity of radar monitoring systems by replacing half of the old radars with modern Russian and Chinese systems, then providing more than 150 Western radars with an expansion in German, Russian, Chinese, and Ukrainian passive radars. When America prevented Egypt from receiving VERA-NG systems, Egypt provided alternative systems in huge numbers from the previous sources. The same thing applies to expanding the range of radar detection systems with long-range VHF radars. All of this saves the use of fighters and employing them in additional missions to attack enemy targets, unlike Western thought that relies on fighters, which has led to doubling their air sorties due to their lack of an air defense system that covers the airspace of their countries with high density. Before you classify air forces or claim a lack or inability or inefficiency in training, you must have the real evaluation tools as well as matters from a broader perspective, unlike the West that relies on belittling others to give greater effectiveness and value to their capabilities so that countries seek to import from them to benefit from their imaginary capabilities. We see Western armament and the hundreds of billions that the West has spent in Ukraine, thinking that they are draining the Russians, and the opposite is true. Russian armament has proven its effectiveness and that all Western weapons or Western equipment are easily destroyed and crushed by the lowest combat equipment and the least expensive weapons, which led to the defeat of the West in Ukraine and the escalation of the war to a nuclear war so that it does not appear. The complete defeat of Europe and the West in Ukraine, their skies are open to the Russians, as Western armament and Western weapons stores are empty and they are unable to wage a conventional war against the Russians or even the dreams of the Americans to impose a war in Southeast Asia against the Chinese, as we are in an era of the defeat of the West and its international dwarfing.
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Criticism of the Egyptian Air Force is due to other matters, as Egypt, with its recent contract with China, has dealt a blow to the Western fighter industry. For example, Egypt's interest in the Chinese fighter J-10C/D is a blow to the exports of American, French and Swedish fighters with a better and less expensive alternative, and at the same time better armament. For example, the Chinese PL-10 missile is better than the AIM-9X II missile.
The range of the Chinese missile is 60 kilometers compared to 35 for the AIM-9X II missile.
The export version of the Chinese missile is 20 kilometers.
The same thing, the PL-15 missile is superior to the AIM-120D3 missile.
The same thing in all armament indicators and even the specifications of the aircraft General and even regarding the age of the structures and engines, Egypt always asks Chinese and Russian suppliers for specifications higher than their standard aircraft in these points and the proportions of composite materials in the structures, so the head of the Chinese delegation speaks about the advanced fighter contract, we will work to implement the Egyptian requirements, which will be special after the experiences of using a fighter such as the RAFALE.

The same thing applies to the J-20 fighter and the J-31 fighter, this in itself
A subsequent blow to the export market for the Western fighter, and Egypt is always arranging the conditions of Western arms exports.
Egypt's purchase of French weapons in 2014-2015 led to the return of the French arms industry with a force that competes with American weapons and provides an alternative to them, and the same thing, Chinese weapons will be an alternative to Western ones.
Even Egypt uses its tools against a country like Germany, whose companies have been deprived of obtaining any major contracts since the current Chancellor took office, in light of Germany's economic crises, which led to the Germans now trying to appease the Egyptians to return new security and military contracts

I think I made it completely clear that things are the opposite of what you imagine or want to convey.

The 203rd Tactical Fighter Wing, which operates the Rafale,has only nine fighter pilots, one of them was martyred.

It was announced that the squadron reached 10,000 flight hours. This means each fighter pilot has approximately 1,100 flying hours, or around 160 hours per year on the Rafale. This makes the Egyptian Rafale pilots have the same flight hours per year as French pilots, or even more.

Additionally, it was announced that one pilot had surpassed 1,000 flight hours. While there are other pilots who have also reached this milestone, it was not publicly disclosed.


Egyptian rafale pilot with 1000 hours badge.

 

[Ramses Akhenaten Ahmose]

The 203rd Tactical Fighter Wing, which operates the Rafale,has only nine fighter pilots, one of them was martyred.View attachment 79328

It was announced that the squadron reached 10,000 flight hours. This means each fighter pilot has approximately 1,100 flying hours, or around 160 hours per year on the Rafale. This makes the Egyptian Rafale pilots have the same flight hours per year as French pilots, or even more.

Additionally, it was announced that one pilot had surpassed 1,000 flight hours. While there are other pilots who have also reached this milestone, it was not publicly disclosed.
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Egyptian rafale pilot with 1000 hours badge.

So you can be rest assured that Egyptian pilots are almost just as competent as their French and even Greek counterparts (Greece is known for its top notch pilots in nato). No surprise since they’ve been training annually with their French and Greek allies as well as taking into account the local training time within Egyptian skies.

 

[iblini]

Projects for Chinese fighter jets J-10 as a current project and J-35 after the completion of the aircraft’s trials and the entry of the first squadron into service in the Chinese Navy, Egypt requested its local production.

So the J10 deal is real and a sure thing, because there isn't any news yet.

 

[The SC]

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[The SC]

The launch of the joint Egyptian-Saudi military training “Piercing Arrow” activities in the city of Safaga within the southern military region.

Elements of the land, naval and air forces, in addition to elements of the special forces of both countries, participate in the training.

The training includes planning and managing joint land, air and sea combat operations.









Two forces to be reckoned with, if they come together, they can change a lot of things!



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[The SC]

So the J10 deal is real and a sure thing, because there isn't any news yet.

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[Sami_1]

The 203rd Tactical Fighter Wing, which operates the Rafale,has only nine fighter pilots, one of them was martyred.View attachment 79328

It was announced that the squadron reached 10,000 flight hours. This means each fighter pilot has approximately 1,100 flying hours, or around 160 hours per year on the Rafale. This makes the Egyptian Rafale pilots have the same flight hours per year as French pilots, or even more.

Additionally, it was announced that one pilot had surpassed 1,000 flight hours. While there are other pilots who have also reached this milestone, it was not publicly disclosed.
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Egyptian rafale pilot with 1000 hours badge.

Why is any information published and investigated from the Internet
It has no value. What was announced is what is wanted to reach all

Parties. I will give you a very simple example.
The line-up displays for the military teams that are the 4th and 6th teams.
From the beginning, orders are given to the person responsible for the military stores in these units to allow specific weapons to be displayed after security approval from the intelligence and military affairs. There, weapons are never announced except for the purpose of sending a message to the friendly and hostile side, and not to display the latest weapons, nor the most powerful, nor the weapons with the most strategic impact.
More than 28 years ago, there was a military program that was filmed in front of me. After the filming and display, it was cancelled and not published, even though the place was not vital and the achievements were not of any value at all.

We come to what I mentioned about the 203RD military wing. This matter is different in all matters. First, its formation depends on the number of aircraft delivered. Then, they are not constants, but rather matters Variable, neither the number of pilots is fixed nor the number of fighters is fixed nor is the positioning of the aircraft fixed unless it is a training wing. It also depends on many things: Are the aircraft in combat readiness for missions outside the country? Is the military wing originally stationed at the airport and its connection to the tasks assigned to it, whether training or carrying out operations? Secondly, what was announced about the number of flight hours itself, 10,000 hours, and the celebration of it, when the flight hours were completed only, the celebration was done by announcing the number of flight hours, which may be less than the actual number, as a form of advertising for the Egyptian side represented by the Air Force or for Dassault to show the efficiency of the aircraft in carrying out the number of flight hours without any problems. Therefore, the number of flight hours cannot be verified, as the aircraft has regular overhaul and deep maintenance periods because the number of flight hours is less, or even the number of flight hours can be indicated that it has reached specific maintenance stages. We come to the story of the martyred aircraft. It was announced that he was martyred in a K8E aircraft, then Norway said that Egypt received a replacement aircraft for the Rafale aircraft that was claimed to have crashed. Therefore, all of these are unofficial matters. It cannot be taken as a measure or evidence or indications that can be relied upon. Simply put, any advertisement may be in itself for other purposes. How do you know that the purpose of the advertisement is to show a certain image of the levels of training and the number of specific flight hours and that Egypt suffers from funding problems and a shortage in pilot training? Everything that is announced is analyzed. Therefore, here matters are subject to many factors that affect the credibility of the advertisement in itself.

 

[Sami_1]

So the J10 deal is real and a sure thing, because there isn't any news yet.

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Actually there is a deal and many indicators about it

Including the complete cessation of talk about the tender for light fighters

Many Chinese bloggers talked about Egypt contracting for 48 aircraft. Some bloggers affiliated with Taiwan talked about the Egyptian J-10CE fighters, 48 aircraft, which will come without PL-15 missiles. We are accustomed to any Egyptian deal being denied and objected to by the hostile party at first, then claiming that it came without weapons and claws. This in itself is a kind of confirmation of the existence of the deal. The story of the equipment and ammunition is other matters. Does Egypt need the aircraft simply? There is a continuous exit of MIRAGE-5 fighters and there is a decrease in the combat effectiveness of the F-16 BLOCK- 15 aircraft due to a factor related to flight hours and the aircraft's capabilities, as well as even its equipment to the level of BLOCK- 40. The same thing happened when preparations began for the exit of 15 aircraft

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Simply there are requirements that are met
We come to another point, Egypt is establishing new aircraft and fighter assembly lines, the goal of which is to transform Egypt into a stage that South Korea was in, which is the production of military equipment for export to Africa, including fighters

Many in the mosque are talking about Egypt needing 1-2 air brigades

Also, the Israeli side announced plans to displace the Palestinians and began creating rumors related to fake news about smuggling weapons in order to give Israel legitimacy to penetrate Sinai and that it is not safe, so the Egyptian Air Force is raising readiness and preparation for a possible regional war, so Egypt wants the quantitative side of fighters ready for military clashes with the Israeli side, and the fastest supplier of fighters is the Chinese side currently, especially since we talked about the possibility of war within two to three years according to religious reasons that the Israelis are imagining and their dreams of expansion, especially with the assumption of the drunkard Trump, who wants to expand the State of Israel at the expense of the Arab countries

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[Ramses Akhenaten Ahmose]

Then what’s the dam point if pl15 isn’t apart of the deal? Of course it’s part of the deal otherwise they would’ve never signed it

 

[Sami_1]

Then what’s the dam point if pl15 isn’t apart of the deal? Of course it’s part of the deal otherwise they would’ve never signed it

Egypt requested the manufacture of the PL-15 missile. Its manufacture means expanding the scope of its use, as it will become the main air-to-air missile in the Egyptian Air Force, in addition to its employment in air defense batteries that may reach 60 missile batteries of this version of the missile. This missile will make the production volume for the Egyptian market reach 5,000 missiles. The Egyptian Air Force is targeting 2,250 BVR missiles, and this missile may become 70% of the arsenal for the rest of the French and Russian missiles, in addition to what is from the air defense systems or ARM derivatives, in addition to exporting, which is the basic condition for contracting with China. Egypt rejected the Chinese aircraft in the past because China did not agree to manufacture BVR air-to-air missiles in Egypt, as China at the time had a PL-12 main missile, then China developed and diversified the products, so it had PL-15/17/21, which made the PL-15/12 missiles not the most technologically advanced in China, in addition to the fact that Egypt will be more careful not to leak missile technology to the West. YouTuber They do not know the history of the ancient Egyptian-Chinese negotiations and the reason for not implementing any deals due to Egyptian demands. When China met the Egyptian technical demands for fighters and missiles, the deals were implemented. The head of the Chinese exhibition indicated at the El Alamein Air Show that they are working to meet the Egyptian requirements for the advanced fighter, which confirms what I was saying at this point. Egypt differs in its military demands from other countries because the weapons that Egypt faces are at the highest levels of Western and American weapons. Therefore, any armament for Egypt must be in line with the level of threats and challenges of the expected wars.

 

[The SC]

Sisi announced it yesterday
No one can impose anything on us
Reality, otherwise there will be a situation of
There will be no instability in the region
Can anyone imagine it! No one to try Egypt

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[Neocloud]

Many Chinese bloggers talked about Egypt contracting for 48 aircraft. Some bloggers affiliated with Taiwan talked about the Egyptian J-10CE fighters, 48 aircraft, which will come without PL-15 missiles.

Unfortunately, many of these bloggers will make videos based on rumors or circumstantial evidence as clickbait for views, and in turn many TV media pundits in Taiwan will also discuss these rumors/YouTube videos as if they were real, in reality, none of them have real inside information.

 

[The SC]

Unfortunately, many of these bloggers will make videos based on rumors or circumstantial evidence as clickbait for views, and in turn many TV media pundits in Taiwan will also discuss these rumors as if they were real, in reality, none of them have real inside information.

The contract was confirmed in the Egyptian airshow 2024 by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) head...He said it was a state contract..