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Watandar said:
Of course Putin will stop at Ukraine. He will continue to provoke and engage in hybrid war tactics against the west but the Russkies have suffered way too many losses in Ukraine to go on adventures anywhere else. The west got what it wanted from the Ukraine war.
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No, Putin will not. He will continue. Theses losses in Ukraine are nothing for him. You think he will drop a tear? No. Russia still has reserves. Russia still produces more tanks and recruits more men than it suffers in Ukraine.
 
Foinikas said:
But why? Pakistan has no reason to fight against Cyprus or Greece because of Turkey. Just like we have no reason to meddle in a Pakistan-Indian war. I find the whole "we should be enemies because we like Turkey" very stupid and I keep seeing it online all the time,especially here. There's a lot of people on PDF who have a mindset of "I don't know what's going on,but I support the Muslim side" or "this country did something bad,but since they are Muslims I support them".

Jews are Jews,but can you squeeze something out of them when you get the chance? If you can,do it. Same with the Chinese,same with anyone. Didn't the Allies do the same with Stalin's USSR during WWII? Didn't the Soviets do the same with the Third Reich when they were "friends" before WWII? You just go ahead and do it. It doesn't matter you support a genocide or anything like that.

I'll remind you a scene from Apocalypse Now:

Hubert: The Vietnamese are very intelligent. You never know what they think. The Russian ones who help them, "come and give us their money. We are all Communists. Chinese give us guns. We are all brothers."... They hate the Chinese! Maybe they hate the American less than the Russian and the Chinese. I mean, if tomorrow the Vietnamese are Communists they will be *Vietnamese* Communists. And this is something you never understood, you American.
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Sorry for the late response,

Pakistan's national posture was supposed to and should be Islam, its foreign interests was supposed to and should be in the interests of Islam and Muslims. Pakistan was never designed to be a republican state of desis who just so happened to be Muslims, it was designed for a purpose. The outlook was always to be much more than that, but frankly is yet to be realized.

Israel is a international security threat to Muslims, and that includes Pakistan. They know it, you know it, we know it, it is not a secret. In the recent altercation with India, you saw a glimpse of Israeli activities against Pakistan. I would go further into the geopolitics of this, but I believe if you just look at Israel's strategic posturing, it is clear they have it out for Pakistan in particular. from India, to Kashmir, to Iran, to Afghanistan, the tracks lead to Israel's not so subtle intent to destablize Pakistan.

So it is in Pakistan's national interest to come to the aid of Islam and Muslims, and that includes Turkey. If the enemies of Turkey decide to conspire against it, if we see Israel use this as opportunity to gain further influence in the region, it obviously will affect Muslims. If it comes to the point in which Israel can leverage your relationship with it for its own strategic gains, do not be suprised if our involvement in your theathre becomes more and more apparent.

It is up to the Greeks what they choose to do. You are not bound by our scrutiny, and if you see this as an equal partnership, better yet, one in which Greece is getting the better end of the deal, than so be it. But that policy simply reflects not only enmity with Turkey, but with the Muslim world. And if the Greeks don't see it, the Israelis will make you realize it.

This is the main point, I would like to make.


If you think you can "squeeze" something out of the Jews, you are surely mistaken. They will not give you the opportunity to do so, so that is an naive statement. Remember if a conflict is instigated by the Israelis, and their cucks in the greek and turkish governments, It will be greeks dying at their behest. They have all to gain, and nothing to lose, a very usurious agreement.

For all the mistakes the Muslim world has made. From the ignorance of the populace, to the outright treachery of our leaders, it is now becoming more and more apparent we are moving in the right direction. We will see more hyprocite sabatogery by the enemies within, and the idiocy that follows will surely be there, but i am certain this is becoming less and less effective. They are forcing us to correct ourselves.

Short answer: world order is changing, what was applicable 50 years ago is not applicable today. What was excusable or excused then should not be exscused now. We cannot regress more in intregity, we have seen the consequences of that, our enemies only got stronger. The minute we stand with integrity and thrutfulness, we have succeeded. We will be taking our own side, you can be with us or against us. Choice is yours.
 
Qaraca said:
1: Even Morocco buys weapons from Israel. Remind me, apart from being Muslims, they are Arabs too.

2: Azerbaijan’s defence purchases are diversified, it does not rely on 1 single country. Case in point, latest procurement of HQ-9BE from China.

3: The only target of those weapons would be an external agressor, and so far they were only used against a non-Muslim agressor in form of Armenia, which you apparently "opposed". This is the problem with people like you who criticise Azerbaijan’s relations with Israel, there is never a consistency. Hypocricy is not a good thing.
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Sorry for the late reply,

1. We don't condone Morroco doing so. If it the Muslim world had value for accountability, and had a backbone, we would see Muslim led regime change in Morroco, and elsewhere.

2. Doesn't matter. You are friendly to an open adversary to the entire fabric of Islam. Your weapon aqcuisition is a small sliver of that friendship. The Greek's don't either.

3. Azerbaijan is used to launch intellegance opps for Israel, what has happened to Iran over the last 2-3 years would not be possible without Israel's relationship with your country. It doesn't just have to do with weapons, it has all to do with being used as potential strategic fiddle for an adversary.

4. From what I read, the Azeris are the ones escalating conflicts to a boiling point. If the Armenians were doing so, then I would surely oppose them. They are not our allies, but their has been some injustice towards them, and your escalatory behavior towards them inflames hatred and bitterness against all of us. Why should we even give them the ability to cry victim, and it is all becuase of your policies which has made it so. This is irresponsible behavior on the part of Azerbaijan and Turkey.

5. I am not a hyprocrite, I have stressed consistency in these matters. We are focused on Azerbaijan and Turkey as it pertains to this region, and the broader struggle between Islam and Eastern Christiandom. I am not sure about you, but Aliyev is definitely a hyprocrite. Claiming contradictory friendships and allegiances. Its not just him, its the entire leadership of the Muslim world.

6. You should be absorbed into Turkey or Iran, or even better Pakistan. pick one.
 
Auqab13 said:
6. You should be absorbed into Turkey or Iran, or even better Pakistan. pick one.
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That's a bit harsh to tell him though,isn't it? I'm sure he wouldn't have much of a problem Azerbaijan uniting with Turkey,but...it still sounds harsh.

One question,if Greece would get arms exclusively from let's say France,Italy and ignored Israel,would your opinion on the whole thing change,even though it would still be to defend against any Turkish aggression?
 
Foinikas said:
That's a bit harsh to tell him though,isn't it? I'm sure he wouldn't have much of a problem Azerbaijan uniting with Turkey,but...it still sounds harsh.

One question,if Greece would get arms exclusively from let's say France,Italy and ignored Israel,would your opinion on the whole thing change,even though it would still be to defend against any Turkish aggression?
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I do not care, they need the Kurd treatment.

Yes it would change.
 

Germany to increase Arrow 3 interceptor and launcher deal with Israel​

By Tzally Greenberg
Dec 17, 2025, 09:06 PM

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An Israeli delegation meets with their German counterparts amid negotiations over selling the Arrow 3 air defense system in 2023. (Israeli Defense Ministry)
JERUSALEM - Germany is set to sign an expansion of its Arrow 3 interceptors and launchers deal with Israel by an additional $3.1 billion Thursday, the Israeli Defense Ministry said Wednesday.

The expansion will be added to the original deal from two years ago, in which Germany purchased Arrow 3 interceptors and launchers for about $3.5 billion, bringing Germany’s total purchases of the Israeli Arrow 3 defense systems to about $6.5 billion.


The Israeli Defense Ministry said the countries agreed in the additional deal to “significantly increase the production rate of Arrow 3 interceptors and launchers to be supplied to Germany, substantially enhancing its air and missile defense capabilities.”

The overall roster of 103 new defense projects approved Wednesday by the Bundestag, Germany’s parliament, comes with a price tag of €83 billion, or $98 billion, per the Ministry of Defense in Berlin. An agency spokeswoman there declined to name the funding amount dedicated specifically to new Arrow-3 work, saying that information is deemed classified.

The announcement of the expansion of the Arrow 3 procurement comes amid geopolitical tension in Europe with the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, and five days after Germany accused Russia of an air traffic control cyberattack.


Several senior German officials also warned in November about a potential confrontation with Russia in the next four years. The latest was German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul, who said about three weeks ago that new intelligence assessments show Moscow is preparing for a possible attack against a NATO member.

The first Arrow 3 system was delivered to Germany Dec. 3, the first time a foreign country has received independent access to those defense systems. More Arrow 3 systems are expected to be delivered and deployed in Germany in the coming months.

The initial and follow-on transfers include launch systems, ammunition and radar, in what was described as one of Germany’s first major procurement contracts since Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, and as Israel’s largest defense export deal to date.

The Arrow 3 is being developed and produced in an Israeli-American cooperation, with the Israel Aerospace Industries serving as the prime contractor for the development and production of the aerial defense system.

The Arrow 3 interceptors operate against exoatmospheric missiles and intercept ballistic missiles in space. Its first operational interception was recorded on November 9, 2023, when it destroyed a Houthi ballistic missile launched toward Eilat. The Arrow 3 was also Israel’s main interceptor against Iranian ballistic missiles during the countries’ 12-day June war.
 
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Lithuania to buy 100 CV90 fighting vehicles​


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ByDylan Malyasov

Dec 21, 2025
Modified date: Dec 21, 2025



Royal Netherlands Army CV90 fighting vehicle at Pabrade, Lithuania, Aug. 09, 2018. (Photo by Markus Rauchenberger)
Key Points
  • Lithuania approved the purchase of 100 CV90 MkIV infantry fighting vehicles under a joint procurement program with five NATO allies, with deliveries planned from 2028.
  • The agreement includes provisions to localize component production and vehicle maintenance in Lithuania, with the main contract expected to be signed in early 2026.
Lithuania has approved plans to acquire 100 Swedish-made CV90 MkIV infantry fighting vehicles as part of a joint procurement with five other NATO allies, a move aimed at modernizing its ground forces and expanding regional industrial cooperation.

The decision was approved by Lithuania’s State Defense Council, which also instructed officials to give special attention to producing key components and providing long-term servicing of the CV90 MkIV inside Lithuania, according to the council’s announcement.

Lithuania signed a letter of intent to join the CV90 procurement with five partner states in June. A technical agreement was later signed in Helsinki at the end of November between the six participating countries involved in the CV90 MkIV “Nordic” infantry fighting vehicle program. The multinational effort brings together Lithuania alongside Finland, Sweden, Norway, Estonia, and the Netherlands.

According to officials, the technical agreement defined specific cooperation principles, technical requirements, and a coordinated roadmap leading up to the signing of the main procurement contract, which is planned for early 2026. Delivery of the CV90 MkIV vehicles to Lithuania and the other participating nations is scheduled to begin in 2028.

Lithuanian defense planners have placed particular emphasis on supply reliability and the practical execution of industrial cooperation. The State Defense Council noted that the credibility of delivery commitments and the implementation of industrial partnerships will be decisive factors in Lithuania’s continued contractual cooperation under the program. Given the strategic nature of the project, expectations remain high for timely responses to Lithuanian requirements and assured supply chains.

The CV90 MkIV is the latest variant of the infantry fighting vehicle produced by Sweden-based defense manufacturer BAE Systems Hägglunds. The platform features a higher level of protection, more advanced command-and-control and weapons systems, and the ability to integrate national technologies based on customer requirements.

The vehicle is designed to operate in high-threat environments and to support mechanized infantry units with improved survivability, situational awareness, and firepower. For Lithuania, the acquisition is expected to replace older armored platforms and provide a more modern backbone for its land forces as they continue to adapt to NATO standards and operational realities along the alliance’s eastern flank.

As noted by Lithuanian officials, the joint procurement framework also offers participating countries an opportunity to deepen interoperability among allied forces. Operating the same vehicle family allows for shared training, logistics, and maintenance concepts, which can reduce long-term costs and improve operational coordination during joint deployments.
 

Germany Selects the CZ P-10 C as Their New Service Pistol - the P13​

Matthew Moss

by Matthew Moss
Published: December 19th, 2025

germany selects the cz p 10 c as their new service pistol the p13

The CZ have announced that the Bundeswehr has selected the CZ P-10C OR FDE as the P13. The P13 will replace the P8A1, the Heckler & Koch USP, which entered service in 1994. CZ have described the selection as “one of the most significant milestones in its history.”



The P-10C is a striker-fired, short recoil, tilting barrel actioned service pistol, chambered in 9x19 with a standard magazine capacity of 15 rounds.

Introduced by CZ in 2017, the pistol has a 102mm (4in) barrel and an overall length of 187mm (7.4in). Unloaded, the pistol weighs in at 740g (26 ounces). The P-10C is already in service with the armed forces of the Czech Republic, having been adopted in 2020.



Jan Zajic, CZ CEO, told TFB that the new pistols “will be delivered in a configuration tailored to the Bundeswehr’s specific requirements and manufactured and tested in accordance with military specifications.” The P13 will have a flat dark earth finish and its slide will be cut ready for an optic.

The Bundeswehr has not yet announced if the pistols will be generally issued with a red dot sight as standard and if so which model of red dot will be issued. The P-10C OR reportedly beat out competition from Glock and Slovenia’s Arex.


germany selects the cz p 10 c as their new service pistol the p13


“All the pistols for the German Bundeswehr will be produced in CZ’s production facility located in Uherský Brod, Czech Republic, which meets stringent quality and compliance standards. We maintain sufficient manufacturing processes and capacity to serve military and law enforcement as well as commercial customers worldwide”, explained Zajic. While local production of the pistols wasn’t a criterion in the Bundeswehr’s tender CZ noted that they will work closely with their partner in Germany, POL-TEC GmbH & Co., to fulfil the contract and provide comprehensive support to the Bundeswehr.
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The quantity of pistols to be procured has not yet been announced by the German government but the order is expected to be significant, with CZ’s CEO Jan Zajic telling TFB that:



“We are honored that the German Bundeswehr has chosen CZ as its partner. Our success in this rearmament tender is one of the most significant achievements in CZ’s modern history. It clearly confirms the outstanding reputation our firearms have earned through active deployment in real combat conditions. We look forward to a long-term cooperation with the Bundeswehr and to fulfilling all its requirements in line with the contract.”
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germany selects the cz p 10 c as their new service pistol the p13

Find out more about the P-10C at www.czub.cz.
 
U.K. could have had cv-90 all these years. CV90; Battle tested , versatile, safe. Vs Britains Ajax Programme total disaster!
 
KingQamaR said:
U.K. could have had cv-90 all these years. CV90; Battle tested , versatile, safe. Vs Britains Ajax Programme total disaster!
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That is the problem with the UK MOD, they gold plate everything and turn perfectly functional platforms into non-combat effective platforms like the Ajax programme(Apaches was another example that they have had to unwind aswell ).
 
Ali_Baba said:
That is the problem with the UK MOD, they gold plate everything and turn perfectly functional platforms into non-combat effective platforms like the Ajax programme(Apaches was another example that they have had to unwind aswell ).
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After the obscene amount of money wasted on Ajax by MOD over 5 years ! It costs too much. weighs too much , and shakes too much . Anything else?
 
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