Ex-Singapore Diplomat analysis on Pakistan with Pakistani journalists

[RescueRanger]

Now will you censor and warn him the way you did my message or is this allowed? @RescueRanger

Anyway it proves my point about deflection, imagine being so mentally degenerate and brainless anything not self-glazing is seen as Indian. No wonder you are failed state being taken to the cleaners by poor tribal Afghans of all people.

Bahi use report feature in future:

I am tabbed into 10 threads right now.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Our Geography is our strength.

If you can get the full text of this article (if you have access to google scholar or Nexus) it is worth reading and exploring:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/388339611_Geo_Economic_significance_of_Pakistan_A_Strategic_Nexus_for_Regional_and_Global_Dynamic

I think it can be both a strength and weakness. It's not mutually exclusive.

In regards to Afghan terrorism and refugee spillover it makes our security more difficult to manage compared to the average nation. (You know, porous long Durrand line and all)

 

[RescueRanger]

I think it can be both a strength and weakness. It's not mutually exclusive.

In regards to Afghan militancy [terrorism] and refugee spillover it makes our security more difficult to manage compared to the average nation. (You know, porous long Durrand line and all)

Border control is much a curse for Pakistan as it is for the levant and its spillover into Europe.

 

[FuturePAF]

I spent 10 years trying to fix our disaster management system only for a retired Brig sahib to call me a "glorified tea boy" during a PDMA meeting. I stopped caring after that point, same Brig saab's son got implicated in the ERRA scandal and to save their skin the powers that be dumped all the blame on a scapegoat Grade 20 civil servant:

Scandal rocks Erra’s squeaky clean image

‘Erra did most of its work in the first five years. The pace of progress has slowed down since.’

www.dawn.com

Welcome to Pakistan, "BAU" is our middle name.

That’s the key variable, failure to empower competent people. Changing just that factor alone will change the whole trajectory of the nation. The oligarchy doesn’t even have to give up ownership of major companies, they can form chebols such as in South Korea, but can’t be allowed to spoil politics with money and can’t undercut experts work, in legal matters or economic policy. Other than that they can keep enjoying their wealth.

If Pakistan wants to see its own future on its current path, the best examples are in Latin America; stagnation, and at the mercy of major world powers.

 

[Master Chief]

He actually acknowledges outright that Pakistan's geography puts it in a bad position.

He did not once discredit Pakistan's right to conduct operations in Afghanistan. He did not even defend democracy as he outright called all Pakistani politicians useless - explicitly. It's obvious you are looking for a way to deflect and ignore his words and you conveniently found it in him being half-Indian. But most of what he said was entirely rational and logical.

As long as you continue to offload every single blame and deflection to the external and ignore the dysfunction that is internal, you'll always remain a failing state with excuses. That is the stark reality. No one cares for excuses. They want to know what you did to solve the issues, first internally.

No doubt you and I both have an understanding of the problems. I would guess though that our solutions are likely quite different. I don't want to go too OT but let me say a few things.

For starters, why is Pakistan's geography "bad"?

It certainly should not be.

We can feed ourselves, clothe ourselves, irrigate our nation, trade in and out of our nation by land/sea/air, all by virtue of the natural properties of our own land, which is quite contrary to the situation the middle eastern nations, Afg, Bangladesh, landlocked Central Asia etc all find themselves in. We are a truly blessed and bounteous realm. Our self sufficiency is made difficult PURELY due to the OPENLY STATED DESIGNS of one single nation state.

But we should not feel confused by Modi's open declarations. He merely let the mask slip, which Congress held aloft thanks to the eloquence of a silver tongue.

No matter. We know the playing field well. We must vanquish this foe sooner or later, regardless of what some pseudo-Singaporean thinks or does not think of our governance system.

Now are there fundamental problems in Pakistan and with Pakistani people? Of course there are! Corruption is the main one. But once again, not one Indian on the planet actually cares for the problems that harm other Pakistanis. Their ONLY concern is that our current status renders Indian objectives difficult. There is a reason the only acceptable Muslim for Hindustan is the dalitised one, quite deliberately encouraged to lose himself in a quagmire of theocratic nuance, while the Brahminist quietly carves up his rightful legacy.

Again, I know you and I are on the same side, so please don't take my comments personally. Perhaps I have been around long enough to know better than to trust those with silver tongues.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

No doubt you and I both have an understanding of the problems. I would guess though that our solutions are likely quite different. I don't want to go too OT but let me say a few things.

For starters, why is Pakistan's geography "bad"?

It certainly should not be.

We can feed ourselves, clothe ourselves, irrigate our nation, trade in and out of our nation by land/sea/air, all by virtue of the natural properties of our own land, which is quite contrary to the situation the middle eastern nations, Afg, Bangladesh, landlocked Central Asia etc all find themselves in. We are a truly blessed and bounteous realm. Our self sufficiency is made difficult PURELY due to the OPENLY STATED DESIGNS of one single nation state.

But we should not feel confused by Modi's open declarations. He merely let the mask slip, which Congress held aloft thanks to the eloquence of a silver tongue.

No matter. We know the playing field well. We must vanquish this foe sooner or later, regardless of what some pseudo-Singaporean thinks or does not think of our governance system.

Now are there fundamental problems in Pakistan and with Pakistani people? Of course there are! Corruption is the main one. But once again, not one Indian on the planet actually cares for the problems that harm other Pakistanis. Their ONLY concern is that our current status renders Indian objectives difficult. There is a reason the only acceptable Muslim for Hindustan is the dalitised one, quite deliberately encouraged to lose himself in a quagmire of theocratic nuance, while the Brahminist quietly carves up his rightful legacy.

Again, I know you and I are on the same side, so please don't take my comments personally. Perhaps I have been around long enough to know better than to trust those with silver tongues.

He was talking from a security perspective from my understanding (Afghanistan)

In terms of connectivity and geopolitical positioning, it is certainly not bad as you've said.

 

[RescueRanger]

That’s the key variable, failure to empower competent people. Changing just that factor alone will change the whole trajectory of the nation. The oligarchy doesn’t even have to give ownership of major companies, they can form chebols such as in South Korea, but can’t be allowed to spoil politics with money and can’t undercut experts work, in legal matters or economic policy. Other than that they can keep enjoying their wealth.

If Pakistan wants to see its own future on its current path, the best examples are in Latin America; stagnation, and at the mercy of major world powers.

Beautiful post, sadly our Babbu's don't care. Let me give you another example. A dear friend of mine is a double PhD in Engineering and Environmental Science. He was one of 5 Pakistanis who were sponsored by China to study a post doc in China on Environmental Science, where the govt of China spent 20 crore on his group, lodgings, fees, stipend etc.

This was the time the smog situation in Pakistan was critical, his paper on the effects of stubble burning and smog impact on human health was published in China. He returned to Pakistan to help his nation.

Keep in mind that he had studied how China had implemented cleaner air reforms in Beijing, read this paper here if you have time:

Clearing the skies: how Beijing tackled air pollution & what lies ahead - ICLEI Sustainable Mobility

Following years of air pollution related challenges, Beijing has made remarkable strides in recent years to improve its air quality

sustainablemobility.iclei.org

Instead of taking his qualified expertise on board, he was ushered out of a meeting with the DG EPA Pakistan, because he debated that the "Anti-Smog vans" being considered for tender by Govt. of Punjab were not fit for purpose and produced the wrong kind of particle, actually making the smog situation worse not better- six months later Punjab launched the Punjab Smog "Cannons".

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Tldr;

What can you do with these babbus?

 

[Master Chief]

He was talking from a security perspective from my understanding (Afghanistan)

In terms of connectivity and geopolitical positioning, it is certainly not bad as you've said.

Well then he has said nothing we don't already know about ourselves, but at the same time, he is speaking in dangerous half-truths. For an analyst to acknowledge the danger posed by Afghanistan to Pakistan but neglect the mother snake who has quietly fed this and other sapolas is an act of misdirection and obfuscation. It might even cause us to take our eye off the ball completely. I would always exercise caution and discretion when accepting analysis from certain parties. What is their motive? Who benefits most from their suggestions being implemented?

Many Indian analysts used to call Imran Khan "taliban Khan". Today those same analysts howl to the moon and curse us for his incarceration. How do you reconcile this schizophrenic approach deployed by Hindustanis to Pakistani affairs, other than by considering what the underlying motive of their criticism actually might be?

 

[rafale]

Singapore was lucky it didn't have much land to begin with or landed gentry and feudalism.

Nonetheless there is a lot Pakistan can learn from Singapore and its growth story.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Now will you censor and warn him the way you did my message or is this allowed? @RescueRanger

Anyway it proves my point about deflection, imagine being so mentally degenerate and brainless anything not self-glazing is seen as Indian. No wonder you are failed state being taken to the cleaners by poor tribal Afghans of all people.

I’m going to say a few unpleasant things based off the flags in your profile - both are Pakistani so I’m going to make an assumption you grew up and live in Pakistan.

Indians no matter where in the planet or how far removed from their slums origins are inherently very much attached to their civilization.

Part of that consists of very specific obsession with Pakistan. They can’t be trusted with objective arguments when it comes to Pakistan. They will whisper a few innocuous words but in actuality have dual meanings. They very much are attached the British Raj version of South Asia one that is dominated by Hindus and or secularized version of them which they can influence the Muslim population of South Asia to treat Islam as an accessory to be taken off for the greater (Hindu) good.

Their propaganda wing, Bollywood in the past specifically would display the Muslim characters as practicing pious doing Namaz and the next scene would be drinking, clubbing, and other haram type behavior. They managed to fool a certain segment of Pakistanis with this crap.

I’ve observed those who have never ventured out of Pakistan for a sustained period of time to really understand the Indian mindset, marinate it and see it from deep down show a severe lack of understanding of the enemy - and they are the enemy until eternity until one side balkanizes.

A lot of you think the Indic vermin in the video is well meaning so you believe what he is saying is the absolute gospel. My observation and experience with Indians this is a Hindu vs Muslim civilization war and Muslims are not mentally prepared and do not understand the threat. Indians are bastards of the highest order and are not honorable people. Our civilization produced Muhammad (saws), Moses (as), Abraham (as) etc, theirs produced Chanayka.
You posting an Indian view of how things are in Pakistan either tells me you don’t understand the enemy, or you deliberately posting enemy’s propaganda to suit your domestic agenda.

@Master Chief i couldn’t have it better than you have in your previous post.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

I’m going to say a few unpleasant things based off the flags in your profile - both are Pakistani so I’m going to make an assumption you grew up and live in Pakistan.

Indians no matter where in the planet or how far removed from their slums origins are inherently very much attached to their civilization.

Part of that consists of very specific obsession with Pakistan. They can’t be trusted with objective arguments when it comes to Pakistan. They will whisper a few innocuous words but in actuality have dual meanings. They very much are attached the British Raj version of South Asia one that is dominated by Hindus and or secularized version of them which they can influence the Muslim population of South Asia to treat Islam as an accessory to be taken off for the greater (Hindu) good.

Their propaganda wing, Bollywood in the past specifically would display the Muslim characters as practicing pious doing Namaz and the next scene would be drinking, clubbing, and other haram type behavior. They managed to fool a certain segment of Pakistanis with this crap.

I’ve observed those who have never ventured out of Pakistan for a sustained period of time to really understand the Indian mindset, marinate it and see it from deep down show a severe lack of understanding of the enemy - and they are the enemy until eternity until one side balkanizes.

A lot of you think the Indic vermin in the video is well meaning so you believe what he is saying is the absolute gospel. My observation and experience with Indians this is a Hindu vs Muslim civilization war and Muslims are not mentally prepared and do not understand the threat. Indians are bastards of the highest order and are not honorable people. Our civilization produced Muhammad (saws), Moses (as), Abraham (as) etc, theirs produced Chanayka.
You posting an Indian view of how things are in Pakistan either tells me you don’t understand the enemy, or you deliberately posting enemy’s propaganda to suit your domestic agenda.

@Master Chief i couldn’t have it better than you have in your previous post.

A lot of assumptions compiled into one by someone who thinks he knows it all.

Get out of your echo-chamber. I don't need your lectures on how Indians think, I probably know that better than you. It also has little to do with what this person has said because I have enough mental faculty to assess its validity independetly of his heritage and via my own experience.

That's not an "Indian" view of how things are, that's an objective analytical view that many people hold across the spectrum. Raising concerns of his biasedness is valid, but when you can't actually address the critique it becomes deflection and ignorance.

 

[Master Chief]

I’m going to say a few unpleasant things based off the flags in your profile - both are Pakistani so I’m going to make an assumption you grew up and live in Pakistan.

Indians no matter where in the planet or how far removed from their slums origins are inherently very much attached to their civilization.

Part of that consists of very specific obsession with Pakistan. They can’t be trusted with objective arguments when it comes to Pakistan. They will whisper a few innocuous words but in actuality have dual meanings. They very much are attached the British Raj version of South Asia one that is dominated by Hindus and or secularized version of them which they can influence the Muslim population of South Asia to treat Islam as an accessory to be taken off for the greater (Hindu) good.

Their propaganda wing, Bollywood in the past specifically would display the Muslim characters as practicing pious doing Namaz and the next scene would be drinking, clubbing, and other haram type behavior. They managed to fool a certain segment of Pakistanis with this crap.

I’ve observed those who have never ventured out of Pakistan for a sustained period of time to really understand the Indian mindset, marinate it and see it from deep down show a severe lack of understanding of the enemy - and they are the enemy until eternity until one side balkanizes.

A lot of you think the Indic vermin in the video is well meaning so you believe what he is saying is the absolute gospel. My observation and experience with Indians this is a Hindu vs Muslim civilization war and Muslims are not mentally prepared and do not understand the threat. Indians are bastards of the highest order and are not honorable people. Our civilization produced Muhammad (saws), Moses (as), Abraham (as) etc, theirs produced Chanayka.
You posting an Indian view of how things are in Pakistan either tells me you don’t understand the enemy, or you deliberately posting enemy’s propaganda to suit your domestic agenda.

@Master Chief i couldn’t have it better than you have in your previous post.

It's a very good point that Pakistanis in Pakistan are somewhat sheltered from the actual day to day behaviour of Indians towards Pakistanis.

In western nations, they literally regard us as inferior to them, like some subservient caste. Luckily, western based Pakistanis are nowadays usually onto this and take necessary measures to protect their interests.

An interesting phenomenon of late and you and I have discussed this on other threads also - there is a strong urge by Indians to associate the word "Asian" with any positive effort by Pakistanis, be it some local initiative or anything of civic value. Contrarily, any negative news about Pakistanis is automatically dissociated from the "Asian" tagline and attached forcefully to the Pakistani hashtag. None of this should be surprising but it does remind one of the agenda being pushed by Indians outside of India. They work as a collective.

My last OT post. Apologies again.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

It's a very good point that Pakistanis in Pakistan are somewhat sheltered from the actual day to day behaviour of Indians towards Pakistanis.

In western nations, they literally regard us as inferior to them, like some subservient caste. Luckily, western based Pakistanis are nowadays usually onto this and take necessary measures to protect their interests.

An interesting phenomenon of late and you and I have discussed this on other threads also - there is a strong urge by Indians to associate the word "Asian" with any positive effort by Pakistanis, be it some local initiative or anything of civic value. Contrarily, any negative news about Pakistanis is automatically dissociated from the "Asian" tagline and attached forcefully to the Pakistani hashtag. None of this should be surprising but it does remind one of the agenda being pushed by Indians outside of India. They work as a collective.

My last OT post. Apologies again.

(For the record, I was only in Pakistan when I made the account I don't permanently reside there, even then I was using a VPN so the flags in my profile shouldn't be taken too seriously. )

Moving onto Indians, if you believe they see you as inferior, then you are wrong. Indians have an inferiority complex rooted in both race and religion, and they only lash out in hatred as a coping mechanism in rage. There's no "superiority", it is insecurity they see Pakistanis as generally lighter skinned, better looking and the region's heritage is the actual inheritor of the best history of South Asia, from the Indus Valley main archeological sites to the Vedic ara.

They are insecure gangetics who lash it in their inferiority complex at North-Western Indics who left their paganised belief system which they today worship cows, eat cow poop, worship demonic statues in the name of today.

Everything about Indians is self-hate and dysgenic practises, down to their own rigid caste system. They don't actually believe in their superiority. This is why they are so adamant on claiming Pakistan, compared to mocking Bangladeshis who they see as actually inferior.

One thing @PakistanLVR is right on is that resident Pakistanis are largely naive and oblivious to all this. They are what one calls "miskeen" (innocent, clueless, biomass)

Now moving back to the original analysis by this Singaporean diplomat, and keeping his heritage in mind, if you independetly analyse his criticism of Pakistani politicans being useless, predominant feudalism holding the country back, major economic & institutional dysfunctionality woes – this is all 100% true and its NOT only Indians saying this. Its a general analytical view of Pakistan for a while. Obviously you need to be careful with Indians trying to twist truths into serving their own agenda.

This being said, the raw critique is true. On the military he says it holds the country together but also rightly calls it out for maintaining this status quo above, when it could use its outsized influence to reform it but instead does not.

This is all valid.

 

[PakistanLVR]

(For the record, I was only in Pakistan when I made the account I don't permanently reside there, even then I was using a VPN so the flags in my profile shouldn't be taken too seriously. )

Moving onto Indians, if you believe they see you as inferior, then you are wrong. Indians have an inferiority complex rooted in both race and religion, and they only lash out in hatred as a coping mechanism in rage. There's no "superiority", it is insecurity they see Pakistanis as generally lighter skinned, better looking and the region's heritage is the actual inheritor of the best history of South Asia, from the Indus Valley main archeological sites to the Vedic ara.

They are insecure gangetics who lash it in their inferiority complex at North-Western Indics who left their paganised belief system which they today worship cows, eat cow poop, worship demonic statues in the name of today.

Everything about Indians is self-hate and dysgenic practises, down to their own rigid caste system. They don't actually believe in their superiority. This is why they are so adamant on claiming Pakistan, compared to mocking Bangladeshis who they see as actually inferior.

One thing @PakistanLVR is right on is that resident Pakistanis are largely naive and oblivious to all this. They are what one calls "miskeen" (innocent, clueless, biomass)

Now moving back to the original analysis by this Singaporean diplomat, and keeping his heritage in mind, if you independetly analyse his criticism of Pakistani politicans being useless, predominant feudalism holding the country back, major economic & institutional dysfunctionality woes – this is all 100% true and its NOT only Indians saying this. Its a general analytical view of Pakistan for a while. Obviously you need to be careful with Indians trying to twist truths into serving their own agenda.

This being said, the raw critique is true. On the military he says it holds the country together but also rightly calls it out for maintaining this status quo above, when it could use its outsized influence to reform it but instead does not.

This is all valid.

I know Pakistan has a lot of problems and it’s fair to laid the blame on the military as they control all lever of power. The whole nation is entirely corrupt without a shred of ethics.

our problem is the security situation. Dealings with two murderous, rapey state on our peripherals while neglecting Iran. Not that im speaking as a Shia, but I had hoped Pakistan could’ve built strong bridges with Iran given that it’s a civilization state and Pakistan would’ve learned how to conduct itself as one as well.

The problems mentioned by you and @RescueRanger makes my blood boil. It’s rather big low IQ pot of individuals ruling over highly intelligent people. Pakistan have exceeded everywhere else they, except in Pakistan. It’s chugging alone. There is no reason why a nation that built nuclear weapons (not an easy thing to accomplish) can’t get out of its own way to growth.

Whenever I come across old ads for PIA, I am distraught to think how far this marvelous country has fallen from grace.

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[Hopefully Pessimistic]

I know Pakistan has a lot of problems and it’s fair to laid the blame on the military as they control all lever of power. The whole nation is entirely corrupt without a shred of ethics.

our problem is the security situation. Dealings with two murderous, rapey state on our peripherals while neglecting Iran. Not that im speaking as a Shia, but I had hoped Pakistan could’ve built strong bridges with Iran given that it’s a civilization state and Pakistan would’ve learned how to conduct itself as one as well.

The problems mentioned by you and @RescueRanger makes my blood boil. It’s rather big low IQ pot of individuals ruling over highly intelligent people. Pakistan have exceeded everywhere else they, except in Pakistan. It’s chugging alone. There is no reason why a nation that built nuclear weapons (not an easy thing to accomplish) can’t get out of its own way to growth.

Whenever I come across old ads for PIA, I am distraught to think how far this marvelous country has fallen from grace.

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In my view, to be fair you have to critique both politicians and the military, but when you begin to critique the military towards mindless hate without much value in criticism, it becomes pointless and starts towing the line of Indians as you and @Master Chief have pointed out.

And generally speaking, Indians should not at all be taken as gospels of truth because they are almost always bias and try to insert their own agenda, insecurities.

But for this specific gentleman, he gave logical arguments that hold up to many other analysts critiques with little pro-Indian bias inserted so I don't want to club him in with that group. We should take valuable lessons of input for reform is my point.