Ex-Singapore Diplomat analysis on Pakistan with Pakistani journalists

[Master Chief]

Nah, that is pessimist take

Those you mention will stay any way.

The pessimist view is also pushed by those who hate you. Including to that ex red dot diplomat.

They don want you to wake and make you become pessimist is their pleasure

What the heck that red dot diplomat, after insulting Pakistan then give no clue on the solution either

Thank you for spitting facts.

Yet plenty of folks on this thread with an agenda will happily indulge and entertain such individuals to further their own agenda. Indeed, this mentality is the problem with Pakistanis that so many here seem to gloss over in their analysis.

I will draw a simple comparison. Those Iranians who have chosen to align with and seek refuge in foreign entities to further their own domestic gains have been exposed of late, now finding themselves further from power than ever before.

 

[Indos]

Thank you for spitting facts.

Yet plenty of folks on this thread with an agenda will happily indulge and entertain such individuals to further their own agenda. Indeed, this mentality is the problem with Pakistanis that so many here seem to gloss over in their analysis.

I will draw a simple comparison. Those Iranians who have chosen to align with and seek refuge in foreign entities to further their own domestic gains have been exposed of late, now finding themselves further from power than ever before.

Ya I think the first step to change is to become the optimist first

Only those the optimist that can drive the nations go forward, while the pessimist usually are those that drag the nation backward or stay idle

Being an optimist I think is also showing hopes to Allah, while those who lost hope to Allah usually become pessimist, and it is forbidden in Islam

If there is problem (nation), then try to solve it, starting from ourselves. Talking about the weakness is OK to find the root cause, what should be avoided is the lost hope

 

[ayashi]

This is my personal view only, not reflecting any other view.
Pakistan problem is hybrid governance model ,
Democratic institution is too much influenced by military, all pakistani knows this root cause .
Priority are misaligned due to military influence in national decision making .
And only solution is fall out of current governance model .
Now it is upto to people of pakistan, how can they change current hybrid governance model .

 

[Indos]

This is my personal view only, not reflecting any other view.
Pakistan problem is hybrid governance model ,
Democratic institution is too much influenced by military, all pakistani knows this root cause .
Priority are misaligned due to military influence in national decision making .
And only solution is fall out of current governance model .
Now it is upto to people of pakistan, how can they change current hybrid governance model .

The main point is not it is military or not. Indonesia under Soeharto is better than under Soekarno, or take example of South Korea.

The main point is the elite and the people should improve themselves, same with my country as well. The first think to get there is to be optimistic first that the change can happen. Many of Indonesians are also pessimist, but from the credible survey we are still regarded as the most optimist in the world

Maybe hibrid is still pretty good until the civiliant politicians can play the politics well and responsibly

 

[Oscar]

which economic model can sustain that and for how long? The centre has to ask provinces for funds this time.
Can't economic constraints make them realise that they shouldn't rule over less and less?
Won't they like ruling over dubai/isloo like set-up more than Balochistan (at current situation)? If every corner is hostile or unwelcoming at least, isolating in DHAs is not called living.

Great point - BUT
It goes back to what I said - if the hostile corner's existing or lack thereof do not impact how they live or don't live - what is the actual motivation?

And you are being selective in that analogy - if I have nothing to do with the military - but am still a middle class individual "enjoying" a "routine" in G-11 or some place in Lahore or Multan or even Peshawar.

What is my motivation to "change" things?

What is the critical element that will make me move?

So far all taxes, costs, restrictions and so on - at BEST
AT BEST
Have produced localized protests which ONLY Ethnic angles have inflamed.

If we take Iqbal as someone trying to guide the peoples of this land
Calling them toward a higher spiritual, moral, and civilizational purpose
Then we can take Habib Jalib as the raging conscience that keeps exposing how the actual political order of this land betrays that very purpose
But then, Faiz shows what is the perpetual state of the people's of this land - This is why I keep repeating it



EVERY OTHER ASPECT BESIDES ETHNIC OR RELIGIOUS HATRED HAS HAD NO LASTING IMPACT ON MOVING THIS KUTTA QAUM.

 

[VCheng]

So what is your advice to Pakistan then?

I mean what Pakistan should do to solve its problems then.....

In my perspective, first we need to be optimist, then gradual change can be achieved. Collective Change cannot happen if we become pessimist. Just like within personal context, successful person usually are those who are confident with their own capability to reach their life goal.

It is not whether it should be a democracy or not when the change should be done

China can still grow fast without democracy, but the collective goals of the people that direct them to that goal. Every one with brain understand that the system that base on merrit will create better output regardless it is democracy or not

So just ignore that Singaporean diplomat that say he doesnt have the solution for Pakistan problem.

Given that Pakistanis are a smart people, they certainly do not need any outsider to tell them how to solve what others might regard as a problem for them, for Pakistanis themselves would not hesitate to solve any problem that they would regard as being a problem for them to solve, since the solutions are well-known.

I repeat:

Pakistan is the way it is, because Pakistanis actually work to make it exactly as it is, and not as they may claim it to be. It is not what Pakistanis say, but what they do, that shows how they want their country to be.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

if you ever moved out of your mummy's basement .. you would realise they are far worse societies around the world.

I forgot, one of the features of Pakistani society is to compare itself with the other failed societies and use it as a benchmark for how its not totally failed itself.

If you took your head out of your ass you'd realise that any serious state compares itself to well established states as a benchmark and not the "worse societies" across the globe, but if you want to remain happy as a slum dweller cause there are bigger slums somewhere else then by my guest you biological waste.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

international people always see Pakistan as the trouble maker... this is a view held my most westerners.. true or not that is how they view Pakistan

pity patwari TV doesnt tell you such things

All that changed post 2022. Before that? Sure. Army was playing double game in Afghanistan by supporting Taliban against USA and brought absolute cucklord of leader to power who was ever ready to bend over to Taliban brother.

But that phase of WOT era is over. You too need to keep up with times.

 

[mythbuster]

It will be all doom and gloom if this hybrid system fails to deliver.... there is nothing in the horizon , no entity no intellectual or political movement , that can take us out of the mess we are in ....so far this hybrid system hasn't delivered , it's too infatuated by it's own cum in the international affairs.

 

[Indos]

Given that Pakistanis are a smart people, they certainly do not need any outsider to tell them how to solve what others might regard as a problem for them, for Pakistanis themselves would not hesitate to solve any problem that they would regard as being a problem for them to solve, since the solutions are well-known.

I repeat:

Pakistan is the way it is, because Pakistanis actually work to make it exactly as it is, and not as they may claim it to be. It is not what Pakistanis say, but what they do, that shows how they want their country to be.

So basically it is what is said in Quran right that Allah will not change the fate of a people ( nation ) until it change what in them first.

So the solution is simple right : just do the right thing ( even any system can still work well if the people on the system work professionally, implement merrit system, justice ect)

That is that simple right, unlike that Singaporean ex diplomat saying he doesnt know how to solve Pakistan problem.

The answer is simple, but he gives the implicit answer that it cannot be fixed. Nah that is something that is not right. In order to change large society like our country, not tiny Singapore with 5 million people and already a successful city state under British, it needs more people with optimist mind set to change the sticky cultural aspect that needs gradual and continuous reform

 

[VCheng]

So basically it is what is said in Quran right that Allah will not change the fate of a people ( nation ) until it change what in them first.

The Quran is wise and correct, always.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

The main point is not it is military or not. Indonesia under Soeharto is better than under Soekarno, or take example of South Korea.

The main point is the elite and the people should improve themselves, same with my country as well. The first think to get there is to be optimistic first that the change can happen. Many of Indonesians are also pessimist, but from the credible survey we are still regarded as the most optimist in the world

Maybe hibrid is still pretty good until the civiliant politicians can play the politics well and responsibly

There is a very fine line between optimistic and delusional.

If you have an executable plan of reforms and then are optimistic about it, good.

If you just ignore every truthful criticism against you and call it enemy propaganda and then be optimistic because you think it's impossible for you to fail for some divine reasoning or pure wishful thinking, then that's not optimism, it's delusional.

Pakistanis in this thread are the latter. Their benchmark of successful is "hey at least we haven't totally collapsed, there are other countries that are giant slums with no government so we good" - this is not optimism nor should it be seen as good. If youre happy comparing yourself with failed states and think everything is fine as it is, you are delusional. Far more dangerous than pessimism!