Federal cabinet gives nod to imposition of emergency in KP; summary sent to president

[Master Chief]

That’s a clever hypothetical, but it falls apart the moment you ask one simple question… What makes you so certain that imprisoning Imran Khan and dissolving PTI would actually end terrorism?

You’re offering a political outcome as if it were a guaranteed counterterrorism strategy. Based on what evidence? A signed agreement from the TTP? A promise from the Baloch insurgents? A guarantee that every militant group would surrender its weapons the moment PTI disappeared? Or are we just supposed to take the establishment’s word for it?

Because Pakistan has had military operations, emergency measures, political crackdowns, and periods of direct military rule. Terrorism has persisted through different governments and political arrangements. That alone should tell us that the problem is far more complicated than removing one politician.

And let’s get one thing straight, I would gladly support any credible, lawful, and sustainable strategy that ends terrorism and saves innocent Pakistani lives. But that is not the offer you’ve made. You’ve attached a political demand to a desirable outcome and then assumed the outcome is guaranteed. That’s not a serious argument; it’s a hypothetical with the most important part conveniently left unproven.

If you could genuinely guarantee the end of terrorism, why would dissolving PTI be necessary in the first place? What does a political party have to do with dismantling militant networks, stopping recruitment, securing borders, improving intelligence, prosecuting terrorists, and addressing the failures that allow militancy to flourish?

And who gets to decide which political party must be sacrificed next time someone promises national security in exchange for political obedience?

Today, it’s PTI. Tomorrow, perhaps another party. The day after, anyone who questions the people making these offers. At what point do we stop confusing the elimination of political opposition with the elimination of actual threats?

Here’s the distinction you’re avoiding.., ending terrorism is a national-security objective; imprisoning a political opponent and banning his party are political outcomes. They are not interchangeable.

If Khan commits a crime, prove it in a fair court. If PTI violates the law, deal with it through lawful procedures. If terrorists threaten Pakistan, dismantle their networks. Why should any of these responsibilities require the others to be abandoned?

So no, I wouldn’t simply “bite your hand off.” I’d ask you to put the guarantee on the table, explain the mechanism, provide credible evidence, and accept independent verification. If terrorism genuinely ended through a lawful and sustainable strategy, Pakistanis would have every reason to celebrate.

But if your offer is merely, “Give up your political rights, trust us completely, and hope we deliver,” then you’re not offering a solution. You’re asking the public to write a blank cheque to people who have yet to demonstrate that political suppression is a reliable cure for terrorism.

Pakistan needs an end to terrorism, not a bargain in which political freedom is the price and national security is the unverified promise.

Look I can't engage with such lengthy posts.

I asked a hypothetical question. That was all. I think the length of your response tells me what I need to know.

 

[Meengla]

How was Pakistan any better when IK was around? Pakistan wasn't surviving without IMF then either.

Rumors of the rift between Imran and the Establishment started to come up by October 2021. Between that time and the No Confidence Motion in April 2022, Imran had plenty of time to call an Early Elections. But he was deeply unpopular in Pakistan by then and knew he would lose any elections. So he kissed the same military's a$$ till about March 2022 to coerce the coerced political parties like the MQM to continue to support Imran. But the Establishment had it with him--probably because he was ruining the three key Pakistani foreign relations: China, America and Saudi Arabia.
Imran never blamed the Americans nor the Establishment until his ouster from the power became clear. I am speaking the facts and Dawn.com archives must have the political developments from about October 2021 onwards.
This coward, lying, and stupid opportunist being made a lion of the Islamic World and an anti-imperialist against America is perhaps the biggest disservice done via the social media and sold on the global scale, with ample help from the Indians and the Afghans.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

There is nothing in your sermon-like nonsense worth responding. The issue was PTI acting as the political wing of TTP and PTI's provincial government refusing to fulfil its constitutional responsibilities. You have said not a single word about that i your fluffy crap.

I don't think anyone wants to kill Imran Khan. He is already on his last leg. Government is rather worried how to keep that convicted criminal in good health and doing every possible thing for that.

Why we should believe what you say? Everything has to be proven in the court. But unfortunately, everything is compromised in Pakistan including court and judges. Put this case in international laws, or any case related to PTI and Imran Khan, establishment will lose 70% of the time. Mind you, majority of the PTI leadership are on Establishment payroll and as soon as they leave PTI, they will be come establishment favorite.
Even if there is any rogue element within PTI, it’s also funded by our establishment.

In the other post, I have mentioned that Al-Shabaab, radical Islamist insurgent and terrorist group based in Somalia, is most likely funded by CIA and other foreign intelligence agencies.

 

[prothought]

You have not yet provided any reasonable proof that KPK government was supporting TTP. I know that this is just your claim and opinion but then I can also claim you are not even Pakistani.

If you're going to insist on this PTI = TTP rhetoric at least provide us some proof.

You should read my posts carefully.

Show us a single statement from PTI provincial CM or ministers condemning TTP and their solidarity with the people of KPK.

Did they condemn any of TTP terrorist attack?

Did they ever recognize the sacrifices that army, FC and police is offering on almost daily basis?

Did they go and visit any family of victims?

Did they try to mobalize the people of KPK against the terrorists at all?

Quite opposite the provincial government kept police and CTD weaker in KPK. CM Afridi attended only one meeting of APEX committee during his time as CM. He should have asked for a weekly meeting of the committee in the light of rising terrorist attacks in KPK.

Actions speak louder than words.

 

[flyingorca]

We'll nobody is going to make achar out of them. It's what is done with the revenue generated from the sales, the price of which they're sold at, who get paid to extract them, who gets paid to transport them and supporting industries.

When a self declared Field Marshall is shamelessly hawking them to one of the world's most corrupt men, alongside an equally corrupt puppet - you naturally worry.

in China an individual can not sell minerals they find. In US some have ownership to sell subsurface natural resources. Are you saying some locals can camp on a mountain who does not even has to purchase a land has every right to claim ownership of its resources? What kind of fkery is this? Why should I have to pay so much money to live on a small piece of land when someone in a village can claim ownership of entire fking mountain worth 100s of millions of dollars?
These minerals in local market are just dirty cheap, the real money comes from exporting to US EU or China which requires alot of geopolitical chess games. These are not apples and oranges that can be harvested and sold.

 

[Distant_Observer]

 

[Meengla]

Quite opposite the provincial government kept police and CTD weaker in KPK. CM Afridi attended only one meeting of APEX committee during his time as CM. He should have asked for a weekly meeting of the committee in the light of rising terrorist attacks in KPK.
Actions speak louder than words.

As I just posted above: Even the anti-Pakistan Indian forum had noted that while MQM/PPP/ANP leadership could not conduct their elections 2013 campaign openly because of the Taliban attacks, Imran was having a walk in the park. 2013!
"We are killing our own for American Dollars". Nice narrative by the Taliban Khan!

 

[flyingorca]

Are you really implying that this "Danda" mandate as imposed through brute force by the boots on the masses is somehow an Islamic concept?

Not an Islamic concept but similar concept practiced by nearly all Muslim leaders throughout history. I mean do you think Durrani actually got mandate of the people before he unified tribes what would later become Afghanistan?

 

[flyingorca]

Come to kpk and see how mineral moves especially chromium, marble, even a toddler knows

Come to balchistan boarder and aee how smuggled oil moves

Honestly I refuse to believe you are so naive.

So let locals have ownership of natural resources is what you are saying? Government should have absolute no authority over its resources?

 

[Watandar]

How was Pakistan any better when IK was around? Pakistan wasn't surviving without IMF then either. The Durand Line was as unstable as before, with only a matter of time before TTP would have turned their guns on the PTI politicians (like they did against ANP), tax collection was as abysmal then as it is now. We were just as poor as today. The only thing I give to IK was that he was not financially corrupt himself (but neither was Musharraf, yet he gets no credit for that and takes all the abuse for everything else, so goes it with IK.)

At the worst, things were trash then and they are rubbish now. So what?

So if things are still trash after several iterations of army dictatorship since 1958, why then do you still support army dictatorships ?

What special intelligence or abilities does Asim Munir have where he will succeed where all other dictators have spectacularly failed ?

Who elected Asim Munir in the first place to be the ruler of the country and who will hold him accountable ?

 

[flyingorca]

Look I can't engage with such lengthy posts.

I asked a hypothetical question. That was all. I think the length of your response tells me what I need to know.

PTI followers and paj33ts without AI are just dumb people.

 

[flyingorca]

There is nothing in your sermon-like nonsense worth responding. The issue was PTI acting as the political wing of TTP and PTI's provincial government refusing to fulfil its constitutional responsibilities. You have said not a single word about that i your fluffy crap.

I don't think anyone wants to kill Imran Khan. He is already on his last leg. Government is rather worried how to keep that convicted criminal in good health and doing every possible thing for that.

He just speaks in urdu to tell ChatGPT to respond.

 

[Meengla]

So if things are still trash after several iterations of army dictatorship since 1958, why then do you still support army dictatorships ?
What special intelligence or abilities does Asim Munir have where he will succeed where all other dictators have spectacularly failed ?
Who elected Asim Munir in the first place to be the ruler of the country and who will hold him accountable ?

And Imran is not a dictator? He was a known tyrant and arrogant person--and a Narcist too--in the 70s/80s as a cricketer. And he carried those traits into his politics and while he was the PM of Pakistan.
Dictatorship is not limited to the Generals: ZAB was also a dictator but at least he had a brain. Imran is a dictator without the brains. Maybe only Nawaz Sharif comes close to him but thank God that Nawaz has been sidelined.

 

[prothought]

Why we should believe what you say? Everything has to be proven in the court. But unfortunately, everything is compromised in Pakistan including court and judges. Put this case in international laws, or any case related to PTI and Imran Khan, establishment will lose 70% of the time. Mind you, majority of the PTI leadership are on Establishment payroll and as soon as they leave PTI, they will be come establishment favorite.
Even if there is any rogue element within PTI, it’s also funded by our establishment.

In the other post, I have mentioned that Al-Shabaab, radical Islamist insurgent and terrorist group based in Somalia, is most likely funded by CIA and other foreign intelligence agencies.

I am not asking you, or anyone else for that matter, to believe in what I am saying. Like anyone else, I am expressing my opinion and you are free to agree or disagree with me.
BTW, if you think if everything is compromised in Pakistan then so be it. You can offer a solution to the problem (as you think it is) and move on.

 

[Cipher212]

You should read my posts carefully.

Show us a single statement from PTI provincial CM or ministers condemning TTP and their solidarity with the people of KPK.

Did they condemn any of TTP terrorist attack?

Did they ever recognize the sacrifices that army, FC and police is offering on almost daily basis?

Did they go and visit any family of victims?

Did they try to mobalize the people of KPK against the terrorists at all?

Quite opposite the provincial government kept police and CTD weaker in KPK. CM Afridi attended only one meeting of APEX committee during his time as CM. He should have asked for a weekly meeting of the committee in the light of rising terrorist attacks in KPK.

Actions speak louder than words.

Yea they have multiple times. I know you're lying and don't have any proof I was just checking if you had anything worthwhile to say.

Here is a simple Gemini prompt (Gemini is an LLM that is integrated with Google Search, so it will find any news article of PTI supporting TTP)




The response:





**Question 2:


*Answer:



**Question 3:



Apologies for the AI slop, but I did not feel like going through the trouble of digging up all PTI statements and actions that go directly against what you're claiming. Kabhi kabaar ham lazy hojatay hay.

So, even though you are a bold-faced liar I will humour you a little bit more. Please share with us, not just me but all of us here some bonafide evidence of PTI being a terrorist party. I will relinquish all support for PTI right now. I'll sing and dance to any ISPR tune you want.