Genocide of Indigenous Peoples

[Beijingwalker]

This is the ICJ - International Court of Justice definition of Genocide as per UN Charter Article 93, I do not run on uncles and aunties's definition of "Genocide"

https://www.icj.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Universal-Genocide-Q-A-FINAL-Advocacy-analysis-brief-2018-ENG.pdf#:~:text=%E2%80%9CGenocide%20is%20a%20denial%20of%20the%20right%20of,the%20spirit%20and%20aims%20of%20the%20United%20Nations.%E2%80%9D1

And as I said, you are intellectual dishonest, Goodbye

You are being dishonest as if you don't know what genocide is. you equate political power struggle between political parties to genocides, that makes everyone laugh their heads off.

 

[passer-by]

You are being dishonest as if you don't know what genocide is. you equate political power struggle between political parties to genocides, that makes everyone laugh their heads off.

Actually, you are the one that related to that, because you are saying genocide only happened if they are different people. Then you started talking about Republican killing off Democrats.

As I said, I don't consider the Civil War (both American and Chinese) genocide for the aforementioned reason, however, the reason I call you intellectual dishonest is because you seem to think that only applies if it is European against another ethnic group. But not when both groups are the same. because you are claiming American War with Indian are genocide. even though as a matter of fact by academic research suggested that Indigenous Population in the United States rose 3700% since the establishment of the United States, you still apply the same logic where you don't apply them to a bigger war (ala Chinese Civil War) because what you claim they are the same people. Which you still failed to explain why they are the same when you consider ethnic Korean and ethnic Uighur of Chinese Citizen are different.

But then I digress. as I said, I don't really want to engage in intellectual dishonest people, so I will just leave it at that.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Actually, you are the one that related to that, because you are saying genocide only happened if they are different people. Then you started talking about Republican killing off Democrats.

Why you lie? it's you who brought communists and nationlist in this genocide talk, denying it?

 

[Beijingwalker]

I call you intellectual dishonest is because you seem to think that only applies if it is European against another ethnic group.

lying again, I said several times that Qing dynasty committed true genocides against some targetting ethnic groups in China.

 

[Beijingwalker]

academic research suggested that Indigenous Population in the United States rose 3700% since the establishment of the United States

Oh, really, tell me which states in US are still predominantly inhabitted by the native American Indians as they used to be.

 

[passer-by]

Why you lie? it's you who brought communists and nationlist in this genocide talk, denying it?

When? I ask you whether you consider Chinese Civil War Genocide? I don't believe I have made any assertion one way or another toward it?

Again, the OP is talking about colonisation of America, which is where the genocide happens. North America is not colonised by 1800s and 1900s.

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Most of the genocide were done prior to 1600s, sure there are wars and massacres happened during the convening year between 1800s and 1900s, that scale cannot even remotely compare to the systemic genocide back in 1492, in fact I am pretty sure Chinese Civil War in 1949 kill more Chinese from both side than the amount of Indian killed by White during the entire period of 1800 - 1950.

This is why I call you intellectual dishonest.

Or do you dispute what I said here that Chinese Civil War kills more Chinese than Native Indian death in the entire period of 1800-1950?

Please stop replying to me, thank you and good bye

 

[Beijingwalker]

When? I ask you whether you consider Chinese Civil War Genocide? I don't believe I have made any assertion one way or another toward it?

You did bring communists and Chinese civil war in this talk, and why do you bring that in? do you believe US civil war a genocide?

 

[Beijingwalker]

Or do you dispute what I said here that Chinese Civil War kills more Chinese than Native Indian death in the entire period of 1800-1950?

Please stop replying to me, thank you and good bye

What? why you didn't bring US civil war in the talk but Chinese civil war? and why do you see political power struggle civil wars as genocides?

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

This thread has no end, these 2 guys having a baseless and endless debate going on, it's better to close this useless thread

 

[passer-by]

This thread has no end, these 2 guys having a baseless and endless debate going on, it's better to close this useless thread

I don't know if you meant me by "these 2 guys" , but I will say the other person I argue with is seriously intellectually deceptive.

In his last 2 post, he keeps saying stuff that I have not said. Even in previous post I have actually said the complete opposite.

 

[Beijingwalker]

I don't know if you meant me by "these 2 guys" , but I will say the other person I argue with is seriously intellectually deceptive.

In his last 2 post, he keeps saying stuff that I have not said. Even in previous post I have actually said the complete opposite.

You keep bringing irrelevant things to this talk, why you bring China civil wars in it but no US civil war? You claim I suggest genocides happens only by white against non white, but the truth is I mentioned several times true genocides happened in China in Qing dynasty against some targetted ethnic groups, your lie is so obvious for everyone to see.

 

[Beijingwalker]

the reason I call you intellectual dishonest is because you seem to think that only applies if it is European against another ethnic group.

A pathetic lie.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

This thread should be close it has arguments and counter-arguments with no endings

 

[passer-by]

A pathetic lie.

You keep bringing irrelevant things to this talk, why you bring China civil wars in it but no US civil war? You claim I suggest genocides happens only by white against non white, but the truth is I mentioned several times true genocides happened in China in Qing dynasty against some targetted ethnic groups, your lie is so obvious for everyone to see.

First of all, I bring up many other points, I brought up Falkland War, Vietnam War, Korean War, Congesese Civil War, Rwanda Civil War and Genocide, as well as US war with Indian, Colonial War with Indian, I don't know why you question why I bring up Chinese Civil War but not American Civil war? I didn't bring up Iran/Iraq War, WW2, WW1, Sino-Vietnam war either, what's your point? On the other hand, why would I bring that up when you already did?? And I already said I do not agree with that being a genocide??

Second, I never claim any of those are genocide, my point from the beginning til now has not change, if you apply your standard to American Indian war and call it a genocide, then you would need to call everything else genocide. Otherwise, your point are being selective. And then you go and say why I interject political power struggle civil war as genocide? Where exactly had I said that? Again, that's show you are intellectual dishonest.

And finally @VCheng are you a mod? Can you tell me if these type of behaviour of calling people liar acceptable? If they do and this got thrown out a lot just because people disagreeing with their point, let me know, I am probably going to quit this forum now. Not really interested in throwing mud or have mud throw at me because of disagreement. I am not interested to argue with 13 years old who just gonna call you names. As I said before, I am old (well, old school but you probably get the point)

 

[Beijingwalker]

First of all, I bring up many other points, I brought up Falkland War, Vietnam War, Korean War, Congesese Civil War, Rwanda Civil War and Genocide, as well as US war with Indian, Colonial War with Indian, I don't know why you question why I bring up Chinese Civil War but not American Civil war? I didn't bring up Iran/Iraq War, WW2, WW1, Sino-Vietnam war either, what's your point? On the other hand, why would I bring that up when you already did?? And I already said I do not agree with that being a genocide??

Second, I never claim any of those are genocide, my point from the beginning til now has not change, if you apply your standard to American Indian war and call it a genocide, then you would need to call everything else genocide. Otherwise, your point are being selective. And then you go and say why I interject political power struggle civil war as genocide? Where exactly had I said that? Again, that's show you are intellectual dishonest.

And finally @VCheng are you a mod? Can you tell me if these type of behaviour of calling people liar acceptable? If they do and this got thrown out a lot just because people disagreeing with their point, let me know, I am probably going to quit this forum now. Not really interested in throwing mud or have mud throw at me because of disagreement. I am not interested to argue with 13 years old who just gonna call you names. As I said before, I am old (well, old school but you probably get the point)

Tell me why the world thinks Nazi Germany committed genocide against Jews and almost no one believes US civil war was a genocide. You seem to have a lot of people to convince that they follow the wrong definition.