Get rid of misinformation and propaganda

[Foinikas]

Some of you,very few probably,know I'm bit a rattled by how the forum lets certain people get away with lies and misinformation.
Normally,I would have said "well ok,it's a Pakistani forum,they're all going in one direction",but the thing is,most of the Administration and membership
wants to restore the forum to the reliability and fame of the previous decade. So I keep seeing how adamant you are about controlling fake news and propaganda.

And then comes Hyperman who starts posting a series of videos from dubious sources and on his description(and the sources')the context is completely altered.

First of all,the sources posted are majority Turkish or pro-Turkish. Hyperman and other Turks have a habit of posting from the heavily biased Clash Report.
I've corrected them on fake news many times,but it seems that old habits die hard.

The Four Videos

What set me off eventually,was hyperman's posts of 4 different links of short videos with blatant lies on the decription. Since half of posts disappeared,
I'll provide screenshots:



Allegation: In this video,hyperman and Clash Report accuse Mitsotakis of itching for a war.
Actual context: Mitsotakis is talking about a world war coming and not a localized conflct. He's mostly referring to the war in Ukraine.



Allegation: Clash Report and hyperman say that Netanyahu wants to fight Turkey to the last Greek. Notice how hyperman even uses the word "literally".
Actual context: Nowhere in the video does it say anything even remotely close to that.



Allegation: Hyperman says "even the Lebanese guy is shook"
Actual context: Nowhere in the video does the Lebanese counterpart seem or act "shaken"



Allegation: Hyperman says "he is talking about attacking Turkey"
Actual context: The PM is talking about not ignoring the chance of having air superiority and modernizing the Air Force. Nowhere in the video does he mention nor imply attacking Turkey.



So why has this rattled me so much? Because this guy enjoys full immunity. He spreads biased sources and downright lies,about me and about my country and generally the guy lies and yet he's still enjoying immunity by being a Mod.

So why rattled still? If you told me "this is a forum for pro-Pakistani or Pro-Turkish news only" or "this forum is only for Pak/Turk/Bangla/Muslims" I'd perfectly accept it and honestly say "ok,thanx take care" without hard feelings. But you guys yourselves have been fighting against Indian cheap propaganda online. You guys yourselves have been complaining many times about fake news and false headlines by Indian or Jewish or American or whatever sources. And yet,I've seen members take this specific issue ever so lightly. Actually,I've even seen people like @Ali_Baba and others even like hyperman's specific posts.

Then hyperman comes and lies again saying I pick up fights with turks every day. I'm simply replying and explaining. I give information and arguments and instead I have people like Oublious,MMM-E and hyperman literally troll and ragebait me. Even Sinan came to troll me with that roman clubbing picture.

So the questions are:

1.Why do you let this misinformation go on?
2.Do you actually want other voices on the forum?
3.Are dubious and biased sources allowed again?
4.if news are bull,but serves your pro-Turk anti-zio pro-Muslim sentiment,you feel ok to press "like"?

Rant over.

 

[Pioneer]

Some of you,very few probably,know I'm bit a rattled by how the forum lets certain people get away with lies and misinformation.
Normally,I would have said "well ok,it's a Pakistani forum,they're all going in one direction",but the thing is,most of the Administration and membership
wants to restore the forum to the reliability and fame of the previous decade. So I keep seeing how adamant you are about controlling fake news and propaganda.

And then comes Hyperman who starts posting a series of videos from dubious sources and on his description(and the sources')the context is completely altered.

First of all,the sources posted are majority Turkish or pro-Turkish. Hyperman and other Turks have a habit of posting from the heavily biased Clash Report.
I've corrected them on fake news many times,but it seems that old habits die hard.

The Four Videos

What set me off eventually,was hyperman's posts of 4 different links of short videos with blatant lies on the decription. Since half of posts disappeared,
I'll provide screenshots:

View attachment 214374

Allegation: In this video,hyperman and Clash Report accuse Mitsotakis of itching for a war.
Actual context: Mitsotakis is talking about a world war coming and not a localized conflct. He's mostly referring to the war in Ukraine.

View attachment 214376

Allegation: Clash Report and hyperman say that Netanyahu wants to fight Turkey to the last Greek. Notice how hyperman even uses the word "literally".
Actual context: Nowhere in the video does it say anything even remotely close to that.

View attachment 214380

Allegation: Hyperman says "even the Lebanese guy is shook"
Actual context: Nowhere in the video does the Lebanese counterpart seem or act "shaken"

View attachment 214382

Allegation: Hyperman says "he is talking about attacking Turkey"
Actual context: The PM is talking about not ignoring the chance of having air superiority and modernizing the Air Force. Nowhere in the video does he mention nor imply attacking Turkey.



So why has this rattled me so much? Because this guy enjoys full immunity. He spreads biased sources and downright lies,about me and about my country and generally the guy lies and yet he's still enjoying immunity by being a Mod.

So why rattled still? If you told me "this is a forum for pro-Pakistani or Pro-Turkish news only" or "this forum is only for Pak/Turk/Bangla/Muslims" I'd perfectly accept it and honestly say "ok,thanx take care" without hard feelings. But you guys yourselves have been fighting against Indian cheap propaganda online. You guys yourselves have been complaining many times about fake news and false headlines by Indian or Jewish or American or whatever sources. And yet,I've seen members take this specific issue ever so lightly. Actually,I've even seen people like @Ali_Baba and others even like hyperman's specific posts.

Then hyperman comes and lies again saying I pick up fights with turks every day. I'm simply replying and explaining. I give information and arguments and instead I have people like Oublious,MMM-E and hyperman literally troll and ragebait me. Even Sinan came to troll me with that roman clubbing picture.

So the questions are:

1.Why do you let this misinformation go on?
2.Do you actually want other voices on the forum?
3.Are dubious and biased sources allowed again?
4.if news are bull,but serves your pro-Turk anti-zio pro-Muslim sentiment,you feel ok to press "like"?

Rant over.

I think it's not good to directly point out the ID and upload screenshots of replies.

 

[hyperman]

Some of you,very few probably,know I'm bit a rattled by how the forum lets certain people get away with lies and misinformation.
Normally,I would have said "well ok,it's a Pakistani forum,they're all going in one direction",but the thing is,most of the Administration and membership
wants to restore the forum to the reliability and fame of the previous decade. So I keep seeing how adamant you are about controlling fake news and propaganda.

And then comes Hyperman who starts posting a series of videos from dubious sources and on his description(and the sources')the context is completely altered.

First of all,the sources posted are majority Turkish or pro-Turkish. Hyperman and other Turks have a habit of posting from the heavily biased Clash Report.
I've corrected them on fake news many times,but it seems that old habits die hard.

The Four Videos

What set me off eventually,was hyperman's posts of 4 different links of short videos with blatant lies on the decription. Since half of posts disappeared,
I'll provide screenshots:

View attachment 214374

Allegation: In this video,hyperman and Clash Report accuse Mitsotakis of itching for a war.
Actual context: Mitsotakis is talking about a world war coming and not a localized conflct. He's mostly referring to the war in Ukraine.

View attachment 214376

Allegation: Clash Report and hyperman say that Netanyahu wants to fight Turkey to the last Greek. Notice how hyperman even uses the word "literally".
Actual context: Nowhere in the video does it say anything even remotely close to that.

View attachment 214380

Allegation: Hyperman says "even the Lebanese guy is shook"
Actual context: Nowhere in the video does the Lebanese counterpart seem or act "shaken"

View attachment 214382

Allegation: Hyperman says "he is talking about attacking Turkey"
Actual context: The PM is talking about not ignoring the chance of having air superiority and modernizing the Air Force. Nowhere in the video does he mention nor imply attacking Turkey.



So why has this rattled me so much? Because this guy enjoys full immunity. He spreads biased sources and downright lies,about me and about my country and generally the guy lies and yet he's still enjoying immunity by being a Mod.

So why rattled still? If you told me "this is a forum for pro-Pakistani or Pro-Turkish news only" or "this forum is only for Pak/Turk/Bangla/Muslims" I'd perfectly accept it and honestly say "ok,thanx take care" without hard feelings. But you guys yourselves have been fighting against Indian cheap propaganda online. You guys yourselves have been complaining many times about fake news and false headlines by Indian or Jewish or American or whatever sources. And yet,I've seen members take this specific issue ever so lightly. Actually,I've even seen people like @Ali_Baba and others even like hyperman's specific posts.

Then hyperman comes and lies again saying I pick up fights with turks every day. I'm simply replying and explaining. I give information and arguments and instead I have people like Oublious,MMM-E and hyperman literally troll and ragebait me. Even Sinan came to troll me with that roman clubbing picture.

So the questions are:

1.Why do you let this misinformation go on?
2.Do you actually want other voices on the forum?
3.Are dubious and biased sources allowed again?
4.if news are bull,but serves your pro-Turk anti-zio pro-Muslim sentiment,you feel ok to press "like"?

Rant over.

Hey man, if you are gonna talk smack, atleast tag the people you talking trash about so they have a chance to retort. lol

You got into a fight with 4-5 different people this week and anything that doesn't fit your editorial line you call fake news.

 

[hyperman]

I think it's not good to directly point out the ID and upload screenshots of replies.

But then he doesn't get the satisfaction going off on rants as if everything is a personal slight to him. lol

 

[Foinikas]

Hey man, if you are gonna talk smack, atleast tag the people you talking trash about so they have a chance to retort. lol

You got into a fight with 4-5 different people this week and anything that doesn't fit your editorial line you call fake news.

I don't know what's your idea of a "fight". You guys talk trash about my country,I simply reply and I reply with arguments.

These 4 videos you posted were all completely out of context. You posted them with fake quotes and you won't even admit it. I debunked them and you still pretend it's all good.

 

[ThunderCat]

Some of you,very few probably,know I'm bit a rattled by how the forum lets certain people get away with lies and misinformation.
Normally,I would have said "well ok,it's a Pakistani forum,they're all going in one direction",but the thing is,most of the Administration and membership
wants to restore the forum to the reliability and fame of the previous decade. So I keep seeing how adamant you are about controlling fake news and propaganda.

While I do partly agree with you sir, you must be naive to think propaganda on this forum is anything but new.

When anti-Pakistan propaganda on a Pakistani forum gets a free pass, why do you think it will be protected from anti-greek propaganda.

FYI Fionikas i have seen you post pro-Turkish propaganda on the old forum, now merged into this one.

No disrespect to you as I consider you a valuable and open-minded poster. But I disagree a few times with you and that should be okay.

We can't always all 100% agree on the same thing.

 

[hyperman]

I don't know what's your idea of a "fight". You guys talk trash about my country,I simply reply and I reply with arguments.

These 4 videos you posted were all completely out of context. You posted them with fake quotes and you won't even admit it. I debunked them and you still pretend it's all good.

Yes of course everything for you that doesn't match your editorial line is propaganda.

 

[Foinikas]

Yes of course everything for you that doesn't match your editorial line is propaganda.

First video: You said "he literally said Israel will fight Turkey to the last Greek". Nothing like that was in the video,nothing remotely close.
Second video: You said "even the Lebanese guy was shook.lol". Nothing like this was in the video either. At all.
Third video: You said "If there is a war it will be his making and his folly of getting involved with the Zionists". Mitsotakis was talking about a world war coming and the context was mostly Ukraine-Russia.
Fourth video: You said "He is talking about attacking Turkey". Nothing like that was mentioned or implied in the video.

So if this isn't propaganda,it's basically deliberate lying. You're just a compulsive liar then? Which is it?

 

[c14-Isotope]

Pot calling kettle black on a black kitchen slab

 

[Foinikas]

Pot calling kettle black on a black kitchen slab

You should know mr."Quetta captured by Baloch fightars" and "Karachi port hai total destruction!"

 

[c14-Isotope]

You should know mr."Quetta captured by Baloch fightars" and "Karachi port hai total destruction!"

And why should I know that?

 

[hyperman]

First video: You said "he literally said Israel will fight Turkey to the last Greek". Nothing like that was in the video,nothing remotely close.
Second video: You said "even the Lebanese guy was shook.lol". Nothing like this was in the video either. At all.
Third video: You said "If there is a war it will be his making and his folly of getting involved with the Zionists". Mitsotakis was talking about a world war coming and the context was mostly Ukraine-Russia.
Fourth video: You said "He is talking about attacking Turkey". Nothing like that was mentioned or implied in the video.

So if this isn't propaganda,it's basically deliberate lying. You're just a compulsive liar then? Which is it?

I removed the first video.

The Second video is my own opinion.

Third opinion is an opinion, and btw, he was most certainly talking about Turkey, you try to make it seem like Turkey is not related to it, thats your own attempt to downplay.

4th video he clearly talks about what he sees as a strategic edge against Turkey and how he won't let it go unused. All I asked was what does he mean he won't let it go unused, its clear the only use for a BVR edge is war.

Maybe you are the one going around throwing a fit and calling people liars because they have different outlook. apparently every turk posting in the turkish section something that doesn't match your editorial line is a liar, they why do you even engage?