Global militaries to study India-Pakistan fighter jet battle

[Viet]

Yes yes, ignore the technology prowess of Chinese weapons. As usual. 5:0 kills, confirmed 4 crashes, the fifth no news report. That's just crazy

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Did I say anything bad about chinese planes?
5:0 is impressive if confirmed.
maybe China provides satellite data intel to Pakistan. otherwise hard to explain.

 

[Developereo]

I don’t blame China. the world is just f.. up. the russians run amok. Trump pursues MAGA. China plays mojo. now I want to see Germany, Japan remilitarise.
by the way there is impact assessment of nuclear war between Pakistan and India.
should it happen then well, good night.

Countries all over the world are electing jingoistic leaders. I am sure there are lots of people in universities and think tanks around the world writing articles about this trend and offering analyses -- we don't know all the reasons -- but the facts are real, unfortunately, and this is not good for global peace.

 

[Han Patriot]

Did I say anything bad about chinese planes?
5:0 is impressive if confirmed.
maybe China provides satellite data intel to Pakistan. otherwise hard to explain.

Pakistan and Russia are the only 2 countries allowed to use Chinese Beidou military signal. It is more accurate than GPS, probably 10-15 years newer than the GPS. We also have the world's largest IMINT (spy sat) network, near real time in border areas. We know near real time movement of Indian soldiers, and it is shared with the Paks. Only things missing is whether we are willing to sell them our lancet like drones. If we want to f up India like how the Russians are doing to Ukraine, we would sell them those in the thousands.

 

[Olympus81]

The result of PAF successes will be a great marketing for China as a jet supplier.

Let’s hope Middle East and other countries take note.

 

[ety]

no worry I don’t see any possibility Germany, Japan to wage war even with military buildup. they now are civilzed people they will be on defensive.

Still beasts only caged now.

 

[Sultan Baybars]

Turkey should find way to use the Rafale-killer P15 on the F-16.

All Turkish engineers must find a way to get that Chinese missile modified for the F-16 and order thousands of them.

A real Rafale-killer.

 

[Olympus81]

Turkey should find way to use the Rafale-killer P15 on the F-16.

All Turkish engineers must find a way to get that Chinese missile modified for the F-16 and order thousands of them.

A real Rafale-killer.

Turkey is better off focusing on their 5th generation project and maybe use J10 or J35 as a stop gap measure.

Get out of the West influence.

 

[Viet]

Pakistan and Russia are the only 2 countries allowed to use Chinese Beidou military signal. It is more accurate than GPS, probably 10-15 years newer than the GPS. We also have the world's largest IMINT (spy sat) network, near real time in border areas. We know near real time movement of Indian soldiers, and it is shared with the Paks. Only things missing is whether we are willing to sell them our lancet like drones. If we want to f up India like how the Russians are doing to Ukraine, we would sell them those in the thousands.

Ccp is rich. you can afford building an extensive spy sat network. without China military assistance Pakistan probably wouldn’t achieve such kills. I didn’t know Putin has access to chinese military sats. Gps can provide military grade data.
what’s difference between planes and drones? why should China hesitate selling drones when selling planes? makes no sense.

 

[Han Patriot]

Ccp is rich. you can afford building an extensive spy sat network. what’s difference planes and drones? why should China hesitate selling drones when selling planes?

If we sell those cheap kamikaze drones, it will be like Ukraine massive damage across cities. India will hate us forever. That's also one reason India is only using harops, at 10mil$ a piece instead of lancet type 10k drones. You want precision damage not mass damage.

 

[Foinikas]

To be honest there was hardly a battle...

 

[Viet]

If we sell those cheap kamikaze drones, it will be like Ukraine massive damage across cities. India will hate us forever. That's also one reason India is only using harops, at 10mil$ a piece instead of lancet type 10k drones. You want precision damage not mass damage.

drones do little damage.
the russians use dumb bombs, glide bombs, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles to erase ukraine cities, not drones.
they use iran shahed drones as bait, as terror weapon.
Putin is a spy. he is a psycho. he loves it when people fear him.
India hates China with or without you providing drones to Pakistan.

 

[LeGenD]

If India can not handle couples of J-10, good luck with dealing with a massive combined force of J-10, J-11, J-16, J-20 and J-35, with J-36 and J-50 waiting in the wings.

They already know it. The battle in question is not defined by classic fighter jet vs. fighter jet clashes but the PAF has superior C4ISR capability that put Indian jet fighters at a disadvantage. The PAF developed LINK 17 to create a network between all of its jet fighters, EW platforms, and ISR platforms to become a more effective fighting force. The PAF also strive for excellence in training its pilots. The IAF needs to catch up instead.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

Now highly reputed New York Times is reporting only two Indian fighters went down not five:

""""There was a brief window for deescalation at the end of the first day of clashes on Wednesday. Diplomats had hoped that they could lean into the fact that both sides had gotten something in the initial face-off to help them claim of victory: India had hit deeper into Pakistan than it had in decades, and Pakistan, based on growing evidence, had managed to down a couple Indian planes in the process"""

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/05/09/world/india-pakistan-kashmir

 

[Beijingwalker]

India-Pakistan conflict offers rich intelligence opportunity for China​

By Greg Torode
May 9, 20255:50 PM GMT+8

China's J-10 fighter jets from the People's Liberation Army Air Force August 1st Aerobatics Team perform during a media demonstration at the Korat Royal Thai Air Force Base, Nakhon Ratchasima province, Thailand, November 24, 2015. REUTERS/Athit Perawongmetha//File Photo

Summary

• Analysts believe China's extensive satellite network deployed
• India seen as long-term strategic rival of neighbouring China
• Open source intelligence trackers note Chinese fishing boats near Indian naval drills

HONG KONG, May 9 (Reuters) - The conflict between India and Pakistan over Kashmir offers a potentially rich intelligence harvest for China in its own rivalry with India as it gleans data from its fighter jets and other weapons used in action by Pakistan.

Security analysts and diplomats say China's military modernisation has reached a point where it has the ability to deeply scrutinise Indian actions in real time from its border installations and Indian Ocean fleets as well as from space.
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"From an intelligence perspective, this is a rare target of opportunity right on China's borders involving a key potential adversary," said Singapore-based security analyst Alexander Neill.

Two U.S. officials said a Chinese-made J-10 Pakistani jet fighter shot down at least two Indian military planes - one of them a French-made Rafale fighter. India has not acknowledged the loss of any of its planes while Pakistan's defence and foreign ministers have confirmed the use of J-10 aircraft but not commented on which missiles or other weapons were used.

The aerial clash is a rare opportunity for militaries around the world to study the performance of pilots, fighter jets and air-to-air missiles in active combat, and use that knowledge to prepare their own air forces for battle.

Competing regional giants and nuclear powers, India and China are widely seen as long-term strategic rivals, sharing a 3,800 (2,400 mile) Himalayan border that has been disputed since the 1950s and sparked a brief war in 1962.

The most recent standoff - that started in 2020 - thawed in October as the two sides struck a patrolling agreement.

Security analysts say both sides have taken steps to strengthen their military facilities and capabilities along the border, but it is also from above that China packs an intelligence gathering punch.

The London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) notes that China now fields 267 satellites - including 115 devoted to intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance and a further 81 that monitor military electronic and signals information. It is a network that dwarfs its regional rivals, including India, and is second only to the U.S..

"Both in terms of space and missile tracking capabilities, China is much better off now in terms of being able to monitor things as they happen," said Neill, who is an adjunct fellow at Hawaii's Pacific Forum think-tank.

China's defence ministry did not immediately respond to Reuters' questions about the deployment of its military satellites and other questions about its intelligence gathering.

Pakistan's military media wing and information minister did not immediately respond to a request for comment on any information sharing with China.

Pakistan has previously said it has an "all-weather strategic, cooperative partnership" with China.

India has not commented on the issue, but its top diplomat in Britain, High Commissioner Vikram Doraiswami, told Sky News on Thursday that China's relationship with Pakistan was not a concern for India.

"China requires a relationship with all of its neighbours, that includes us," he said.

MISSILE DEPLOYMENTS​

Chinese military intelligence teams would be eager to garner information on any Indian use of air defences and launches of cruise and ballistic missiles - not just in terms of flight paths and accuracy but command and control information, analysts and diplomats say.

Any deployment of India's BrahMos supersonic cruise missile - a weapon it developed jointly with Russia - would be of particular interest, some analysts say, given they do not believe it has been used in combat.

China has also beefed up its intelligence gathering at sea. It has been increasingly active in the Indian Ocean in recent years, with China deploying space tracking ships as well as oceanographic research and fishing vessels on extended deployments, open source intelligence trackers say.

Regional diplomats say that while the Chinese navy has been relatively cautious about extensive warship deployments into the Indian Ocean, still lacking a broad network of bases, it actively seeks intelligence with these other vessels.

Over the last week, some trackers noted unusually large fleets of Chinese fishing vessels moving apparently in unison to within 120 nautical miles of Indian naval drills in the Arabian Sea as tensions rose with Pakistan.

Pentagon reports on China's military modernisation and analysts note that China's fishing fleets routinely perform a coordinated militia function that plays an important intelligence gathering role.

"These vessels may double up as listening posts, tracking development rhythms and response patterns, feeding early warning, naval intel to their sponsors," wrote open source tracker Damien Symon in an X post that highlighted the deployment of 224 Chinese vessels near Indian naval exercises on May 1.

Chinese officials do not usually acknowledge the existence of fishing militia or intelligence work carried out by other nominally-civilian vessels.

Given its deep and broad strategic relationship with Pakistan, Beijing can also be expected to fully exploit its network of envoys and military teams there for key nuggets.

"The presence of Chinese military advisers and other personnel in Pakistan is well-known given how Pakistan's Ministry of Defence has been importing some of its most advanced military hardware from China, so we can be certain the PLA would be able to access relevant data," said James Char, a Chinese security scholar at Singapore's S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/india-pakistan-conflict-offers-rich-intelligence-opportunity-china-2025-05-09/

 

[Han Patriot]

drones do little damage.
the russians use dumb bombs, glide bombs, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles to erase ukraine cities, not drones.
they use iran shahed drones as bait, as terror weapon.
Putin is a spy. he is a psycho. he loves it when people fear him.
India hates China with or without you providing drones to Pakistan.

One drone might do little damage, a swarm of drones arm with 100kg tnt will do alot man. Yes Russia uses alot lf precision munitions, but i personally think drones did the most damage, a swarm of 100kg drones is like small loitering bombs.