Green light for Eurofighter from Germany for the Turkish Air Force

[hyperman]

Anyway,Dendias was a relatively good Minister of Foreign Affairs. He used to reply to provocative statements by Turkish politicians. But you see how the situation is now.

He wasn't just replying, he would actively go looking for a fight. Turkey delivered some things to Ukraine and he randomly started talking shit about Turkey, which the Turks interpreted as some sort of weird jealousy over Turkey getting attention for sending weapons to Ukraine. lol, completely unrelated to Greece and completely unprovoked.

 

[hyperman]

Guys this is not a battle ground. No need to fight here.
@MMM-E and @Foinikas better if you guys share your countries achievements and discussion points instead of attacking on other countries achievements and lacking.

Brother this is the usual tom and Jerry cat mouse game. It gets too quiet without both of them around. lol

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[retaxis]

You also said same things about F-16V deal
Your MENENDES could not stop the TURKS
and with the initial payment completed, contracts for Türkiye’s procurement of the F-16 Block 70 have officially come into effect


Eurofighter also will join the Turkish Air Force




There is no Kurdish issue and PKK terrorists were kicked out of Turkiye
also 4 Turkish military operations in Syria destroyed ROJAVA dream
also Turkish Army blocked Northen Iraq
also Turkiye helped Azerbaijan to liberate occupied lands
also Turkiye stoped thieves in the Eastern Mediterranean
also Turkish military bases in Libya , Qatar , Somalia

only big boys can do it ....

If ur a regional power why can't u stop Israel genocide of palestinians? Turkeys voice speaks no louder than Saudi/Egypt or Iran in the world. You aren't a regional power, Israel is the regional power.

 

[hyperman]

If ur a regional power why can't u stop Israel genocide of palestinians? Turkeys voice speaks no louder than Saudi/Egypt or Iran in the world. You aren't a regional power, Israel is the regional power.

Israel is not a regional power its a spoiled child that throws around its daddy's weight, knowing if anything happens, the US will bail it out, for ideological reasons.

The Israelis have no capability to project power without US help.

 

[MMM-E]

There is rumor that we're probably going for Iron Dome and David's Sling or Spyder and David's Sling. Somehow,there is a rumor that the government wants to go with Israeli systems. Which makes you wonder,why not something European?

Greece interested in SAMP-T from France and DAVID's SLING - SPYDER from Israel

While DAVID's SLING provides a strong defense against long-range threats, SPYDER is planned to provide rapid response to short and medium-range threats

But Turkiye has the 2nd strongest fire power in NATO after USA to penetrate AD Systems



20 years ago Turkiye had only 120 American ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missiles , 50 SLAM-ER Cruise Missiles and 95 HARM anti-radiation Missiles .... nothing else

Thanks to Turkish Defense Industry to eliminate all threats in the region

Turkish cost effective weapons to hit AD Systems like S300 , PATRIOT , SAMP-T and DAVID's SLING

-- 200+ km KEMANKES-1/2
-- 200 km SIMSEK and 700 km SUPER SIMSEK
-- 500 km AZAB
-- 800 km KARGI

cost effective and lethal solution for swarm attack


to produce 25-30 KEMANKES-2 in price of 1 PATRIOT Air Defense Missile

Enemy Forces will fire $1,5-2 million Air Defense Missile to intercept mini Cruise Missile

Each David's Sling missile costs about $1 Million

Good luck to Air Defense Systems ...They will need it



Also Turkish Ballistic and Cruise Missiles to hit AD Systems like S300 , PATRIOT , SAMP-T , DAVID's SLING

280 - 500+ km SOM , ATMACA , BORA and TAYFUN

TAYFUN is cruising at hypersonic speed ( Mach 5,3 ) which allows it to penetrate most of enemy air defence systems


and 150-180+ km IHA-230 , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ
Only one Turkish Missile System will be enough for swarm attack
Its 150+ km IHA-230 supersonic Missile with speed of mach 3

cost effective and lethal solution .... unique in NATO

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Also Turkish AKINCI Drone is coming with the ASOJ-234U Stand-of-Jammer payload to jam and paralyze enemy Air Defense Systems

This integration will be the first in the world

Also HAVASOJ is coming with combine many different electronic warfare capabilities on a single Aircraft to jam and paralyze enemy Radars from 400 km away

Only Israel and Turkiye in the region


Turkish unmanned stealth UCAVs will be game changer for SEAD-DEAD role
only Turkiye in the region

-- Suppressing Enemy Air Defenses
-- Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses

2 Turkish Missiles will be carried in internal weapon bays for SEAD role
280 km SOM Cruise Missile and 150 km AKBABA supersonic anti-radiation Missile


Turkiye can produce thousands of them for swarm attack
but Countries like Greece can not buy thousands of them which cost $1-2 million USD per missile

The winner will always be the country with a strong defense industry

 

[MMM-E]

Israel is not a regional power its a spoiled child that throws around its daddy's weight, knowing if anything happens, the US will bail it out, for ideological reasons.

The Israelis have no capability to project power without US help.

Its failed when Israel faced a real Army
Iran hit Israel with Ballistic Missiles

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USA-France and The UK protected Israel from Iranian attacks
but Greece is not Israel ... Greece is alone


Ground based hypersonic weapons in NATO

USA : Dark Eagle ( mach 5 )
Turkiye : TAYFUN and CENK ( mach 5,3 )

Hypersonic Missiles can penetrate missile defense systems, including those deployed by Israel like DAVID's SLING

CENK hypersonic missile has flaps to adjust its flight direction.



No need even F-16V and Eurofighter Fighter Jets

Land-Naval-Air launched Ballistic - Cruise Missiles , long range guided munitions and Kamikaze Drones are enough for destruction of Enemy Air Defenses

at the same time a swarm attack of 250 Turkish Ballistic and Cruise Missiles with long range Kamikaze Drones

And GAME OVER !

 

[Foinikas]

Turkey is not looking for a fight, but they will not allow fiat accompli based on unilateral decisions from Greece. The Ball essentially is in Greece's court, Turkey doesn't want a confrontation and they would prefer the status quote and a negotiated solution and the status quo remaining in the meantime. However if Greece decides they are feeling confident to make "power moves" based on the assumption that their daddies will back them and their maximalism, Turkey will not back away and accept it. If people in Greece stick to what Tsipras or even Mitsotakis currently are doing, which is to negotiate and leave the status quo as is in the meantime, there will not be an issue from the Turkish side. If you want to listen to hawks and gamble, Its likely going to bring a confrontation.

That's a big conversation that will take us back to discussing maps,treaties,wars,incidents and it's a discussion we've had many times on the old forum and literally led to nowhere because each side insists on its views. And honestly,I don't wanna write for 50 pages about it again.

 

[Viet]

European economies are a complete mess and so is Germany's.

It could just be due to economics as this will sustain thousands of well paid jobs across the continent.

this sale is too little it will not save the economy of Germany. it’s just a take and give deal. Turkey gives up veto on Sweden, Finland joining the NATO, in exchange for F16 and Typhoon.

Erdogan is a smart fox.

 

[Foinikas]

Why would you go for iron dome? its useless for a country like Greece, Iron dome works on rudimentary rockets and artillery and its good against nonstate actors in small areas, but pretty useless against a peer adversary or even a near peer adversary.

I don't know man,this second Mitsotakis rule is weird. There are things that make no sense. We started a good effort to modernise the Armed Forces in 2019 after 10 years and suddenly before the May 2023 elections and the elections in Turkey,Mitsotakis relies on Erdogan's "friendly" turn and stops or postpones all major deals for at least a year. While we had started a very good cooperation with the French,he suddenly stops and goes pro-American.

Just tell me,what kind of logic is signing a deal for 3+1 FDI HN frigates,knowing that we need new ships,wasting 3 years until the option for one more frigate expires,while prices have gone up because of the war in Ukraine.....and deciding to buy the fourth frigate in 2024 .....AFTER THE OPTION HAS EXPIRED! The option keeps the price locked,that's the point of buying something with an option for more.


Another example,they wasted 3 years trying to decide which corvettes to buy: the French Gowind HN,the Italian FCX-30 or the Dutch Sigma 10514.

They couldn't decide whether they wanted to buy 3 or 4 corvettes or if they wanted to buy any at all.

Then they wasted more than 4 years trying to decide if they wanted to modernise the MEKO 200HN,how many and what kind of a modernization. Total or just a few things.

 

[Foinikas]

He wasn't just replying, he would actively go looking for a fight. Turkey delivered some things to Ukraine and he randomly started talking shit about Turkey, which the Turks interpreted as some sort of weird jealousy over Turkey getting attention for sending weapons to Ukraine. lol, completely unrelated to Greece and completely unprovoked.

I don't know about the Ukraine thing. What I do know is our government tried to look like good allies of NATO and the EU. No idea what he said about that matter though.

Then there was also this:

FM Dendias cuts visit to Tripoli short after Libyan official tries to ‘force’ meeting | eKathimerini.com

A meeting between Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Dendias and the chairman of the Libyan Presidential Council, Mohamed Menfi, in Tripoli was canceled at the last minute on Thursday. A few minutes after his airplane landed in Tripoli, the Greek official instructed it to take off for Benghazi...

www.ekathimerini.com

 

[UKBengali]

this sale is too little it will not save the economy of Germany. it’s just a take and give deal. Turkey gives up veto on Sweden, Finland joining the NATO, in exchange for F16 and Typhoon.

Erdogan is a smart fox.

Have you heard of the expression "every little helps" and the aerospace industry is strategic as well?

UK is not building any new Typhoons for its air force and so this will sustain thousands of jobs in the UK, which is practically a bankrupt country.

 

[MMM-E]

German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said that Turkiye, as a NATO member, has always proven to be a very reliable partner.


Speaking to reporters at the Organisation for Joint Armament Cooperation (OCCAR) meeting in Bonn, German Defence Minister Pistorius said:

"Turkiye is a NATO partner and therefore an important partner in NATO's southeastern flank. It has one of the largest armed forces in NATO. They have always proven to be a reliable and very trustworthy partner."

Almanya: Türkiye NATO üyesi olarak çok güvenilir bir ortak olduğunu kanıtladı

Almanya Savunma Bakanı Boris Pistorius Türkiye'nin NATO üyesi olarak her zaman çok güvenilir bir ortak olduğunu kanıtladığını söyledi.

gdh.digital

F-16V and Eurofighter joins the Turkish Air Force after the Turkish parliament has given its long-awaited approval to Sweden's membership of NATO
Also Russian threat made NATO to see Turkey’s geopolitical importance again

 

[Foinikas]

They have always proven to be a reliable and very trustworthy partner."

 

[MMM-E]

@Foinikas​

Greece always hopes that the US and Germany to show hostile attitude towards Turkiye

all modern weapons to Greece
but arms embargo on Turkiye

Only in this way Greece can dream, but this dream will not last long
because Turkish KAAN , KIZILELMA and ANKA-3/4 manned - unmanned stealth Fighter Jets will wake up the Greeks from their wet dreams

No matter what Greece does in the next 10 years, Greece will never be in a position to stand against Turkiye ...


Let's thanks to President ERDOGAN once again
if there were no major investments made in the Turkish defense industry in the last 20 years , Türkiye would be in a completely powerless and defenseless position against multi-national alliance in 6 fronts against Greece-France in the eastern Mediterranean , USA backed PKK-YPG in Syria , France-Iran backed Armenia in Karabakh , Russia-France-Egypt-The UAE backed HAFTAR in Libya and Russia-Iran-Syrian Regime-Hezbollah in Syria

 

[Foinikas]

@Foinikas​

Greece always hopes that the US and Germany to show hostile attitude towards Turkiye

all modern weapons to Greece
but arms embargo on Turkiye

Only in this way Greece can dream, but this dream will not last long
because Turkish KAAN , KIZILELMA and ANKA-3/4 manned - unmanned stealth Fighter Jets will wake up the Greeks from their wet dreams

No matter what Greece does in the next 10 years, Greece will never be in a position to stand against Turkiye ...


Let's thanks to President ERDOGAN once again
if there were no major investments made in the Turkish defense industry in the last 20 years , Türkiye would be in a completely powerless and defenseless position against multi-national alliance in 6 fronts against Greece-France in the eastern Mediterranean , USA backed PKK-YPG in Syria , France-Iran backed Armenia in Karabakh , Russia-France-Egypt-The UAE backed HAFTAR in Libya and Russia-Iran-Syrian Regime-Hezbollah in Syria

So let me ask you something and I am waiting for an honest reply:

What do you want people to do in this forum? Do you want this forum to be renamed to "Turkish Achievements Forum" and stop talking about anything else? Do you want people to stop posting about other militaries?

What exactly do you want,tell me. Give us an honest answer. If every time someone tries to talk about a weapons purchase,you jump to say "it is nothing compared to Turkey,we can do this,we can produce that,we can defeat you no matter what",what is the point of even mentioning anything?