H-1B visas must end’: Wife of US citizen shares plight of landing IT jobs

@Meengla sb

Capital is like water following gravity. Whoever offers cheaper labor will eventually get the business.

Very correct. That is why this brouhaha over H1B is misplaced. The one who offers acceptable quality output (whether goods or services) at lowest price will get the jobn

Regards

@r3alist @ihussain
 
WESTERN TALENT CRISIS IS INDIA’S OPENING
The West has run out of accountants. Thousands left the field and accounting enrolments have fallen sharply.

In the United States alone, hundreds of thousands exited the profession over the last decade due to retirements and fewer students pursuing accounting degrees. Today, more than one in three US small businesses outsources accounting simply because they cannot hire domestically. Mid-sized CPA firms now route up to 70 percent of their work to India to survive deadlines.
I have to disagree to an extent with this part. As noted somewhere in one of these threads, I earned a Masters in Accounting. Mrs. AZ is also an accountant by training and practices.

Now, I've not looked up the numbers as done with engineers; will do so later today. Yet, one thing is certain, my employer outsourced a lot of the backoffice functions to Chennai and later Costa Rica due to cost. Not because of a shortage of accountants and finance people on staff.
 
@ihussain sb

One more gem for you. American accountants bhi gayyo! Modi ka bolbaala, Marjorie ka munh kaala


There is a quiet revolution underway in India. One that doesn't show up in speeches or trending hashtags but happens behind laptop screens across night shifts in Bengaluru, Hyderabad and Gurugram.

Young Indian accountants are closing books and reconciling payments for Western companies they have never visited and often never heard of.

As Ramanuj Mukherjee (@law_ninja) pointed out in a widely discussed post, the global finance engine already runs from India. And if that is true, the next question writes itself: why are the people powering it not getting their fair share?

Here is the reality in numbers. The finance and accounting outsourcing market has crossed 60 billion dollars and is projected to reach 110 billion dollars by 2030. More than 1,700 Global Capability Centres in India manage critical financial reporting, accounts payable and receivable and FP and A work for corporations across the West.

That means opportunities for people with accounting or commerce backgrounds everywhere in India, right from metro centres to smaller towns.

Yet salaries here do not reflect this leverage.

The short answer is opportunity is global, but capability needs to catch up.

WESTERN TALENT CRISIS IS INDIA’S OPENING​

The West has run out of accountants. Thousands left the field and accounting enrolments have fallen sharply.

In the United States alone, hundreds of thousands exited the profession over the last decade due to retirements and fewer students pursuing accounting degrees. Today, more than one in three US small businesses outsources accounting simply because they cannot hire domestically. Mid-sized CPA firms now route up to 70 percent of their work to India to survive deadlines.

The United Kingdom faces one of the worst accountant shortages in Europe. British firms openly operate India-based teams for bookkeeping, payroll management and tax preparation.

Across the European Union, companies turn to India for shared services, FP and A support and month-end close because they cannot hire locally. Europe already accounts for more than 17 percent of India’s finance outsourcing workload.

This shift is not temporary. It is structural. And India is already at the centre of it.

HOW INDIA DELIVERED WHEN TECH REMOVED BORDERS​

Cloud software has made accounting a borderless profession. QuickBooks Online, Xero, NetSuite, A2X, Stripe and PayPal reconciliations are now the language of global bookkeeping.

The logic is simple. If you can manage Amazon or Shopify accounting using A2X, understand Stripe or PayPal settlements and handle VAT or sales tax logic, you are not competing in the Indian job market at all. Whether you are in Kochi, Patna or Pune, geography no longer limits your reach, only skill does.

A 27-year-old accountant in Kochi put it plainly: “I earn in dollars now. My clients are in California. My commute is my bedroom to my desk. I did not even have a passport.”

His friends with the same degree earn one-sixth of his salary simply because they believe global work is out of reach.

Trust is the entry ticket to global wages.

Many experts also point to a mindset problem. A lot of accountants still chase local roles that barely cover rent. They believe global jobs are for someone else. Traditional coaching and outdated curriculum reinforce this belief.

INDIA BUILT THE ENGINE. NOW IT MUST BUILD THE CREDENTIALS
India has already proven its value to the world. What is missing is the infrastructure and confidence to prove that value on paper.

Agarwal believes the way forward is clear.

“Knowing Tally or GST does not help when the client needs US GAAP or UK VAT. You need to understand their compliance framework and their accounting practices. Indian bookkeeping knowledge alone is not enough. We need to learn the standards and get certified.”

The must-haves, he argues, are straightforward.

"Earn recognition in tools like the QuickBooks ProAdvisor badge. Build communication muscle. Your profile should speak for you.”

Regards

@AZ_HighCountry @Meengla @r3alist @vasanthm @Vkdindian1
@SoulSpokesman
Tyson is also shutting down the beef plants.. Do you want this business as well?
 
Very correct. That is why this brouhaha over H1B is misplaced. The one who offers acceptable quality output (whether goods or services) at lowest price will get the jobn

Not entirely misplaced. As you all know, I am in the job market and I am increasingly seeing 'US Based' for x-number of years and US Citizen/Green Card holders; along with those requirements, there are increasing number of 'NO EAD', 'No OPT' etc etc. So there is already some impact but 'business', as usual, will figure out ways around them.
Also, as I keep saying, this late in my own career, I am just 'selfishly' concentrating on my own career. The larger 'debate' is largely immaterial to me.
 
@AZ_HighCountry

AZ Saar,

Thanks, the views of an actual professional with skin in the game is always very valuable, Saar. How has been the experience with the Chennai and Costa Rica staff? As they say, you can attract for costs, but to retain customers, you need quality.

@ihussain sb

Tyson is also shutting down the beef plants. Do you want this business as well?

Unfortunately, beef is banned in most Indian states. But a few states like TN, West Bengal and Kerala permit cow slaughter. Hopefully, you can approach the governments of these states for business opportunities. I wish other states take a less dogmatic view on this matter. This is a business which can certainly bring in a lot of export dollars to us.

Regards
 
@SoulSpokesman
Tyson is also shutting down the beef plants.. Do you want this business as well?

Looks like we already export about USD 3.5 billion worth of bovine meat every year (don’t ask me the difference beef, buffalo, whatever… the buyers seem happy).

If Tyson wants to shut plants, we’ll happily take the business. India’s already a major exporter, one more addition won’t hurt. 😄
 
When Indians get H1-B visas it is in the best interest of India.

When Indians don't get H1-B visas it is in the best interest of India.

Which one is true?

Getting a job for those who aren't enough worth in India itself, would be welcomed for these foreign Visa 🕳️

The American/western firms try in whole world for "White Collar Jobs" employees and Indians found more in number in these lists yearly......
At least these Workers are not "Blue Collar Jobs's" foreign recruitments 👍
🇮🇳
 

The US economy needs international students now more than ever​

by Stephen Yale-Loehr, opinion contributor - 11/28/25 8:00 AM ET

Stephen Yale-Loehr is a retired professor of immigration practice at Cornell Law School.

This is the season when high school seniors around the world are making one of the biggest decisions of their lives: where to go to college. For students outside the U.S., that dream has often led to America.

For decades, the U.S. has been the top destination for international students — a global magnet for talent, innovation and ambition. America’s universities, from community colleges to the Ivy League, attracted more than 1.1 million international students last year. They came not just to earn degrees, but to join a community of discovery that shaped everything from Silicon Valley start-ups to cancer research labs.

But that era of attraction is fading fast. According to a recent New York Times analysis, the number of international students arriving in the U.S. this August dropped by nearly 20 percent compared with last year — the steepest decline on record outside of the pandemic.

Universities are already feeling the shockwaves. Niagara University in western New York reported a 45 percent drop in international enrollment this fall. DePaul University in Chicago saw a 62 percent decline in new international graduate students. Even flagship public institutions like the University of Wisconsin-Madison have seen their international freshman numbers fall by more than 35 percent.

This is not a fluke or the result of shifting demographics — it is Trump administration policy.

The Trump administration has taken a series of steps that makes studying in the U.S. harder. These include new layers of “social media vetting” and the revocation of student visas for political speech deemed controversial. The administration is also proposing to end “duration of status,” which has allowed students to remain in the U.S. for the length of their studies without repeatedly applying for extensions. And President Trump has imposed a $100,000 fee for certain H-1B visa petitions, the work visas many international graduates rely on to stay and contribute after earning their degrees. It’s little wonder that students abroad are rethinking the American dream.

Last year, international students contributed over $43 billion to the U.S. economy and supported more than 375,000 jobs. Their tuition dollars help sustain universities in towns and cities across the country, where the local economies depend on student spending. The Association of International Educators projects that if current trends continue, the U.S. could lose up to $7 billion in revenue and 60,000 jobs tied to international education this year.

Moreover, a new white paper commissioned by the National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine explored how current and proposed U.S. immigration restrictions will affect the science, technology, engineering and mathematics workforce and economic growth in the U.S. The study found that GDP losses could reach $240 to $481 billion annually after a decade of restrictions on international students.

International students don’t take jobs from Americans; they create them. A study by the National Foundation for American Policy found that on average, one H-1B technology worker creates five U.S. jobs. That is not surprising. Immigrants fuel innovation. Forty percent of Nobel Prizes awarded to Americans in chemistry, medicine, and physics since 2000 have gone to immigrants — many of whom began as international students. Roughly half of all U.S. startups valued at over $1 billion have at least one immigrant founder.

In other words, by making it harder for international students to work here after they graduate, the U.S. is not protecting its interests — it’s shooting itself in the foot.

Meanwhile, other countries are rolling out the welcome mat. Canada, Australia and the U.K. have expanded post-graduation work rights and streamlined visa processes. Germany, Ireland and the Netherlands now actively recruit international students with English-language degree programs and pathways to residency. The global competition for talent is fierce, and America is ceding ground.

This decline is not inevitable. Congress, the administration and courts could act to reverse it. The State Department could prioritize visa processing for students and exchange visitors, ensuring timely appointments and decisions.

The administration could lift travel restrictions that block students from 19 countries, while maintaining rigorous vetting. Lawmakers could reaffirm the principle of “duration of status,” providing stability and predictability for both students and universities. And courts could strike down the $100,000 H-1B fee as exceeding President Trump’s authority.

Universities and companies also have a role to play. When the Trump administration recently considered sending troops to San Francisco, pressure from the tech sector shot down the proposal. A similar coalition of universities, technology companies and local chambers of commerce could help persuade policymakers that international students are an asset, not a threat.

The U.S. has long prided itself on being a place where talent from anywhere in the world can thrive. If that promise fades, so will our economy.

Every fall, millions of students around the world look at their options. They see Canada’s efficiency, Britain’s clarity and Australia’s openness. Increasingly, they see America’s storm clouds.

The question for policymakers is simple: Do we still want to be the world’s top destination for talent—or are we content to watch it go elsewhere?

Because if we continue down the current path, the next Einstein, the next Sergey Brin or the next Elon Musk might just take their talent somewhere else.
 

The US economy needs international students now more than ever​

by Stephen Yale-Loehr, opinion contributor - 11/28/25 8:00 AM ET

Stephen Yale-Loehr is a retired professor of immigration practice at Cornell Law School.

This is the season when high school seniors around the world are making one of the biggest decisions of their lives: where to go to college. For students outside the U.S., that dream has often led to America.

For decades, the U.S. has been the top destination for international students — a global magnet for talent, innovation and ambition. America’s universities, from community colleges to the Ivy League, attracted more than 1.1 million international students last year. They came not just to earn degrees, but to join a community of discovery that shaped everything from Silicon Valley start-ups to cancer research labs.

But that era of attraction is fading fast. According to a recent New York Times analysis, the number of international students arriving in the U.S. this August dropped by nearly 20 percent compared with last year — the steepest decline on record outside of the pandemic.

Universities are already feeling the shockwaves. Niagara University in western New York reported a 45 percent drop in international enrollment this fall. DePaul University in Chicago saw a 62 percent decline in new international graduate students. Even flagship public institutions like the University of Wisconsin-Madison have seen their international freshman numbers fall by more than 35 percent.

This is not a fluke or the result of shifting demographics — it is Trump administration policy.

The Trump administration has taken a series of steps that makes studying in the U.S. harder. These include new layers of “social media vetting” and the revocation of student visas for political speech deemed controversial. The administration is also proposing to end “duration of status,” which has allowed students to remain in the U.S. for the length of their studies without repeatedly applying for extensions. And President Trump has imposed a $100,000 fee for certain H-1B visa petitions, the work visas many international graduates rely on to stay and contribute after earning their degrees. It’s little wonder that students abroad are rethinking the American dream.

Last year, international students contributed over $43 billion to the U.S. economy and supported more than 375,000 jobs. Their tuition dollars help sustain universities in towns and cities across the country, where the local economies depend on student spending. The Association of International Educators projects that if current trends continue, the U.S. could lose up to $7 billion in revenue and 60,000 jobs tied to international education this year.

Moreover, a new white paper commissioned by the National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine explored how current and proposed U.S. immigration restrictions will affect the science, technology, engineering and mathematics workforce and economic growth in the U.S. The study found that GDP losses could reach $240 to $481 billion annually after a decade of restrictions on international students.

International students don’t take jobs from Americans; they create them. A study by the National Foundation for American Policy found that on average, one H-1B technology worker creates five U.S. jobs. That is not surprising. Immigrants fuel innovation. Forty percent of Nobel Prizes awarded to Americans in chemistry, medicine, and physics since 2000 have gone to immigrants — many of whom began as international students. Roughly half of all U.S. startups valued at over $1 billion have at least one immigrant founder.

In other words, by making it harder for international students to work here after they graduate, the U.S. is not protecting its interests — it’s shooting itself in the foot.

Meanwhile, other countries are rolling out the welcome mat. Canada, Australia and the U.K. have expanded post-graduation work rights and streamlined visa processes. Germany, Ireland and the Netherlands now actively recruit international students with English-language degree programs and pathways to residency. The global competition for talent is fierce, and America is ceding ground.

This decline is not inevitable. Congress, the administration and courts could act to reverse it. The State Department could prioritize visa processing for students and exchange visitors, ensuring timely appointments and decisions.

The administration could lift travel restrictions that block students from 19 countries, while maintaining rigorous vetting. Lawmakers could reaffirm the principle of “duration of status,” providing stability and predictability for both students and universities. And courts could strike down the $100,000 H-1B fee as exceeding President Trump’s authority.

Universities and companies also have a role to play. When the Trump administration recently considered sending troops to San Francisco, pressure from the tech sector shot down the proposal. A similar coalition of universities, technology companies and local chambers of commerce could help persuade policymakers that international students are an asset, not a threat.

The U.S. has long prided itself on being a place where talent from anywhere in the world can thrive. If that promise fades, so will our economy.

Every fall, millions of students around the world look at their options. They see Canada’s efficiency, Britain’s clarity and Australia’s openness. Increasingly, they see America’s storm clouds.

The question for policymakers is simple: Do we still want to be the world’s top destination for talent—or are we content to watch it go elsewhere?

Because if we continue down the current path, the next Einstein, the next Sergey Brin or the next Elon Musk might just take their talent somewhere else.

W.r.t. above news, Its foolish in India to see lines of students for student loans for studying overseas. 🙂
How many may at least return the fee by jobs in overseas, has been an issue.....
🕳️
Regardless all, these "legal" immigrants from their 'loan' from banks at least get "Blue Collar Jobs's" there, to return the loan and then back 🙂

Assistants of my father has restricted him that my fee for studying in Sydney must be paid from government salary of my guardian....... He was "class 1" office 🕳️
🇮🇳
 
@ihussain sb

One more gem for you. American accountants bhi gayyo! Modi ka bolbaala, Marjorie ka munh kaala


There is a quiet revolution underway in India. One that doesn't show up in speeches or trending hashtags but happens behind laptop screens across night shifts in Bengaluru, Hyderabad and Gurugram.

Young Indian accountants are closing books and reconciling payments for Western companies they have never visited and often never heard of.

As Ramanuj Mukherjee (@law_ninja) pointed out in a widely discussed post, the global finance engine already runs from India. And if that is true, the next question writes itself: why are the people powering it not getting their fair share?

Here is the reality in numbers. The finance and accounting outsourcing market has crossed 60 billion dollars and is projected to reach 110 billion dollars by 2030. More than 1,700 Global Capability Centres in India manage critical financial reporting, accounts payable and receivable and FP and A work for corporations across the West.

That means opportunities for people with accounting or commerce backgrounds everywhere in India, right from metro centres to smaller towns.

Yet salaries here do not reflect this leverage.

The short answer is opportunity is global, but capability needs to catch up.

WESTERN TALENT CRISIS IS INDIA’S OPENING​

The West has run out of accountants. Thousands left the field and accounting enrolments have fallen sharply.

In the United States alone, hundreds of thousands exited the profession over the last decade due to retirements and fewer students pursuing accounting degrees. Today, more than one in three US small businesses outsources accounting simply because they cannot hire domestically. Mid-sized CPA firms now route up to 70 percent of their work to India to survive deadlines.

The United Kingdom faces one of the worst accountant shortages in Europe. British firms openly operate India-based teams for bookkeeping, payroll management and tax preparation.

Across the European Union, companies turn to India for shared services, FP and A support and month-end close because they cannot hire locally. Europe already accounts for more than 17 percent of India’s finance outsourcing workload.

This shift is not temporary. It is structural. And India is already at the centre of it.

HOW INDIA DELIVERED WHEN TECH REMOVED BORDERS​

Cloud software has made accounting a borderless profession. QuickBooks Online, Xero, NetSuite, A2X, Stripe and PayPal reconciliations are now the language of global bookkeeping.

The logic is simple. If you can manage Amazon or Shopify accounting using A2X, understand Stripe or PayPal settlements and handle VAT or sales tax logic, you are not competing in the Indian job market at all. Whether you are in Kochi, Patna or Pune, geography no longer limits your reach, only skill does.

A 27-year-old accountant in Kochi put it plainly: “I earn in dollars now. My clients are in California. My commute is my bedroom to my desk. I did not even have a passport.”

His friends with the same degree earn one-sixth of his salary simply because they believe global work is out of reach.

Trust is the entry ticket to global wages.

Many experts also point to a mindset problem. A lot of accountants still chase local roles that barely cover rent. They believe global jobs are for someone else. Traditional coaching and outdated curriculum reinforce this belief.

INDIA BUILT THE ENGINE. NOW IT MUST BUILD THE CREDENTIALS
India has already proven its value to the world. What is missing is the infrastructure and confidence to prove that value on paper.

Agarwal believes the way forward is clear.

“Knowing Tally or GST does not help when the client needs US GAAP or UK VAT. You need to understand their compliance framework and their accounting practices. Indian bookkeeping knowledge alone is not enough. We need to learn the standards and get certified.”

The must-haves, he argues, are straightforward.

"Earn recognition in tools like the QuickBooks ProAdvisor badge. Build communication muscle. Your profile should speak for you.”

Regards

@AZ_HighCountry @Meengla @r3alist @vasanthm @Vkdindian1
Good luck with that while you are fighting with nigeria as scamming capital of the world, isolated stories of success can not change it easily.
 
Do you think the h1b lives in small town in Kansas for rest of his life?
No, but they have a doctor there. Unless he/she gets another hospital to sponsor their H1B they gonna work in that hospital.
 
Its foolish in India to see lines of students for student loans for studying overseas. 🙂
How many may at least return the fee by jobs in overseas, has been an issue.....
🕳️

Indians are not foolish to put in so much money to get college education in the West, especially in America, which remains the Land of Opportunities though a little less appealing these days.
I don't think 'education' as such is the goal. India has plenty of colleges and there are also much cheaper options in other countries with quality education. But just getting into America as a student provides a chance of not only great education but also of post-graduation OPT, H1Bs leading to Green Card, Citizenship etc etc. Those routes are not guaranteed but they too many success stories to ignore.
BTW, not blaming Indians. Pakistanis would do that too.
 
Congressman Krishnamoorthi Reintroduces the HIRE Act To Bolster U.S. Competitiveness by Expanding High-Skilled Immigration and Investing in STEM Education

WASHINGTON – Today, Congressman Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL) announced the reintroduction of the High-Skilled Immigration Reform for Employment (HIRE) Act, legislation designed to strengthen America’s long-term economic and technological competitiveness. The bill takes a dual-track approach: expanding access to high-skilled talent from around the world while increasing federal investments in American STEM education to grow the domestic workforce.

The HIRE Act would double the number of H-1B visas available each year—from 65,000 to 130,000— to ensure U.S. employers, including those in critical and emerging technology sectors, can recruit the specialized talent needed to fill persistent workforce shortages. At the same time, the bill directs new funding to bolster elementary and secondary school science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) programs, helping close the skills gap that continues to limit U.S. economic growth.

“To build the jobs and industries of tomorrow, America must stay at the forefront of innovation by strengthening our own workforce while continuing to welcome top talent from around the globe,” Congressman Krishnamoorthi said. “The HIRE Act advances both goals by boosting STEM education in our elementary and secondary schools and by expanding the annual supply of H-1B visas from 65,000 to 130,000. By growing our domestic talent pipeline and ensuring employers can recruit the skilled workers they need, we can create good-paying jobs and secure America’s leadership in the technologies of the future.”

The legislation is supported by ITServe Alliance, the nation’s largest association of IT services organizations.

“The HIRE Act is an important step toward modernizing our high-skilled immigration system and ensuring that talented professionals can continue to contribute to America’s innovation economy,” Raghu Chittimalla, Governing Board Chair of ITServe Alliance, said. “Congressman Krishnamoorthi’s leadership reflects a deep understanding of how small and mid-sized IT companies drive job creation and technological growth across the United States.”

“ITServe Alliance fully supports the HIRE Act because it strengthens the pathway for U.S. employers to recruit and retain the best global talent while protecting American workers,” Anju Vallabhaneni, National President of ITServe Alliance, said. “This bill advances fairness, transparency, and workforce development—key priorities for both our members and the broader technology industry.”

https://krishnamoorthi.house.gov/me...ntroduces-hire-act-bolster-us-competitiveness
 
Congressman Krishnamoorthi Reintroduces the HIRE Act To Bolster U.S. Competitiveness by Expanding High-Skilled Immigration and Investing in STEM Education

WASHINGTON – Today, Congressman Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL) announced the reintroduction of the High-Skilled Immigration Reform for Employment (HIRE) Act, legislation designed to strengthen America’s long-term economic and technological competitiveness. The bill takes a dual-track approach: expanding access to high-skilled talent from around the world while increasing federal investments in American STEM education to grow the domestic workforce.

The HIRE Act would double the number of H-1B visas available each year—from 65,000 to 130,000— to ensure U.S. employers, including those in critical and emerging technology sectors, can recruit the specialized talent needed to fill persistent workforce shortages. At the same time, the bill directs new funding to bolster elementary and secondary school science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) programs, helping close the skills gap that continues to limit U.S. economic growth.

“To build the jobs and industries of tomorrow, America must stay at the forefront of innovation by strengthening our own workforce while continuing to welcome top talent from around the globe,” Congressman Krishnamoorthi said. “The HIRE Act advances both goals by boosting STEM education in our elementary and secondary schools and by expanding the annual supply of H-1B visas from 65,000 to 130,000. By growing our domestic talent pipeline and ensuring employers can recruit the skilled workers they need, we can create good-paying jobs and secure America’s leadership in the technologies of the future.”

The legislation is supported by ITServe Alliance, the nation’s largest association of IT services organizations.

“The HIRE Act is an important step toward modernizing our high-skilled immigration system and ensuring that talented professionals can continue to contribute to America’s innovation economy,” Raghu Chittimalla, Governing Board Chair of ITServe Alliance, said. “Congressman Krishnamoorthi’s leadership reflects a deep understanding of how small and mid-sized IT companies drive job creation and technological growth across the United States.”

“ITServe Alliance fully supports the HIRE Act because it strengthens the pathway for U.S. employers to recruit and retain the best global talent while protecting American workers,” Anju Vallabhaneni, National President of ITServe Alliance, said. “This bill advances fairness, transparency, and workforce development—key priorities for both our members and the broader technology industry.”

https://krishnamoorthi.house.gov/me...ntroduces-hire-act-bolster-us-competitiveness

"The HIRE Act would double the number of H-1B visas available each year—from 65,000 to 130,000"

Raja Krishnamoorthi, Anju Vallabhaneni, Raghu Chittimalla


Indians, Indians, and Indians... And yet some Indians here and the likes of Arnab crow about why Indians must return to India to 'build India'.
Arey Bhai: India has way too many people to absorb and so they must leave for somewhere else, even if that means the dangerous 'Donkey Route' to sneak via Mexico.
 

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