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[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

I am not for a moment suggesting that IND/PAK/BD can catch up with PRC. But all these countries can be better countries than they are today- they can be the sort of countries where a large %age of citizenry (say 90%) can take roti, kapda, makaan, water, sanitation, basic education and healthcare as a given.

We must build our own nations based on what our citizens are capable of and comfortable with; rather tha mindlessly import models either from the West or from China.

Regards

You are absolutely right you cannot import any model

But ...Your above aspiration to have for even 70% of your population, would need a bigger transformative project then what China has

Whilst I am effusive about China, they still have plenty of poor people and underdeveloped areas. So remember remember, India as a grand old large nation, has to do something on a similar scale and vision to what China did decades ago,

@r3alist

What about Pakistan? Will it be on the table? Or on the menu?

Regards

Everyone is on the menu outside of the G2, if that happens, however India you would not disagree has more to extract.

Pakistan at least has one of the two absolutely invested in Pakistan's core integrity, now prosperity is up to the people and the leaders

Do you think a generation of Indians, Pakistanis and BDs would sacrifice for greater good of the nation. Bhai, we are the sort of people who will sell our grandmothers for a green card/H1B visa!

Depends if you convince them that it's not a sacrifice but some type of compulsion that moves them from within to act, that's what all those great genius historical leaders have done right?

 

[Meengla]

But ...Your above aspiration to have for even 70% of your population, would need a bigger transformative project then what China has
Whilst I am effusive about China, they still have plenty of poor people and underdeveloped areas. So remember remember, India as a grand old large nation, has to do something on a similar scale and vision to what China did decades ago,

To engineer transformative changes, ruthless efficiency is needed, which all the countries of the Subcontinent currently lack and will probably lack for a long time.

Pakistan has a bigger chance of emulating the Chinese success then India due to Pakistan's much smaller size and religious divides less than India's. But Pakistan will have to crush the terrorism in its western regions first. In case of India, Modi may be the most popular PM of India since Indira Gandhi, but he still polled only about 35% votes. India is very fragmented already and it doesn't help that a prominent Indian analyst like Arnab yesterday was warning about the 'Jihadis' within India as a growing threat.
But you are right: India needs major transformative changes and I wish them well on that journey, however unlikely they are going to be on that journey.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Meengla sb

ruthless efficiency is needed,

You can get ruthlessness if you want it (FM AMW seems to be the sort who can be adequately ruthless), efficiency is something that will be left to chance.

Pakistan has a bigger chance of emulating the Chinese success then India due to Pakistan's much smaller size and religious divides less than India's.

That is correct. Pakistan is much more compressed and less diverse which makes a centrally driven model for more implementable.

India is very fragmented already

The converse side of fragmentation is diversity. And if you get your politics right, that can be made a source of strength, not weakness.

Regards

 

[r3alist]

To engineer transformative changes, ruthless efficiency is needed, which all the countries of the Subcontinent currently lack and will probably lack for a long time.

Pakistan has a bigger chance of emulating the Chinese success then India due to Pakistan's much smaller size and religious divides less than India's. But Pakistan will have to crush the terrorism in its western regions first. In case of India, Modi may be the most popular PM of India since Indira Gandhi, but he still polled only about 35% votes. India is very fragmented already and it doesn't help that a prominent Indian analyst like Arnab yesterday was warning about the 'Jihadis' within India as a growing threat.
But you are right: India needs major transformative changes and I wish them well on that journey, however unlikely they are going to be on that journey.

Well the first thing is.... the Chinese worked out what they wanted to be now and where they are going in the future, I think that's a neutral prerequisite, first you need the revolution within the mind and spirit

The embraced communism, they not only discarded religion but they ruthlessly discarded much about their own history, Taoism, Buddhism, literature, clan or group structures
....... They pressed delete, and worked from a blank sheet of paper, building planning...... It sounds like I described civilizational suicide, right now it looks like a bold civilizational reset that has tremendously paid off



South Asia equivalent transformation, as things are configured (borders and institutions), right now, it may be structurally impossible

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

they not only discarded religion

Try getting a Pakistani Caesar speaking about discarding Islam!

Regards

 

[Meengla]

You can get ruthlessness if you want it (FM AMW seems to be the sort who can be adequately ruthless), efficiency is something that will be left to chance.

Efficiency doesn't come easily in the Subcontinent. But better chance if the political environment is stabilized. Look at what the 'authoritarian' regime of Hasina did for Bangladesh during her long tenure as the BD's PM: The country advanced considerably. Before her latest tenure, it was the musical chair of chaos, anarchy, lack of focus, stunted economy as Hasina and Ms. Zia as the PMs fighting for power, which held BD back.

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

they not only discarded religion

Try getting a Pakistani Caesar speaking about discarding Islam!

Regards

He would never get to be Caesar to begin with

But the problem does not go away

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Meengla sb

Correct. The subcontinent needs stability, whether it is a civilian one or a military one. BD has had stability under SHW. So has India. If you see in the last 27 years we have had only 3 PMs - Vajpayee (1998-2004), MMS (2004-14) and Modi (2014-date). And if you examine their economic policies the broad contours have remained unchanged.

Regards

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

He would never get to be Caesar to begin with

There you go! We desis won't put up with a Caesar, not for long anyway. We have to find our own answers.

Regards

 

[Meengla]

@Meengla sb

Correct. The subcontinent needs stability, whether it is a civilian one or a military one. BD has had stability under SHW. So has India. If you see in the last 27 years we have had only 3 PMs - Vajpayee (1998-2004), MMS (2004-14) and Modi (2014-date). And if you examine their economic policies the broad contours have remained unchanged.

Regards

Yes, that's India's magic sauce otherwise I don't think Indians are particularly smarter or more efficient than Pakistanis. But Indians have managed power politics much better than Pakistanis have and the fruits are there to see. Similarly, the stability and focus under Hasina considerably helped Bangladesh, authoritarian or not.

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

He would never get to be Caesar to begin with

There you go! We desis won't put up with a Caesar, not for long anyway. We have to find our own answers.

Regards

I think it's the exact opposite.

They were maharaja's, mughuls, monarchs and the East India company board of directors..



It's the plurality of vastly diverse ideas, in different languages, amongst varied people, being forced to find a consensus rather than a clear direction

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist

It's the plurality of vastly diverse ideas, in different languages, amongst varied people, being forced to find a consensus rather than a clear direction

Right. As always. And that is the way forward as well. Finding common cause among a diverse populace.

Regards

 

[Meengla]

Right. As always. And that is the way forward as well. Finding common cause among a diverse populace.

In theory, sounds so great but in practice, proven impossible for larger countries like Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Brazil, Nigeria...
It usually takes authoritarian 'elected' leaders with long tenures like Bangladesh's Hasina or Russia's Putin or Malaysia's Mahatir Mohammad or outright so-called authoritarian systems like China's to make significant changes. When there is prosperity, peace, and education in a nation as a result of those changes then the population can 'think for itself' better.
We have so many failed, semi-failed, successful, semi-successful countries' history and the paths they have taken to learn from and the information is available literally at our fingertips.

 

[Meengla]

Well the first thing is.... the Chinese worked out what they wanted to be now and where they are going in the future, I think that's a neutral prerequisite, first you need the revolution within the mind and spirit

'The Chinese' were the victorious Communist Party of China against the 'Nationalists' losers of Chiang Kai Shek. If the latter had succeeded then China would probably be just another wanna-be Jeffersonian Democracy with deep inefficiencies and divisions and still much poorer then now.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Meengla sb

Chiang Kai Sheks nationalist losers rule Taiwan. They haven't done too badly either.

Regards