H-1B visas must end’: Wife of US citizen shares plight of landing IT jobs

[Sam6536]

Your post was overall good except for the bravado about Indians taking their 'business' elsewhere: No, you won't because you can't. The global pot of $$ is big only in America and its Anglos/European/GCC allies to the point of big rewards. The rest, even the Chinese, are oversaturated with limited 'returns' and chances to make the big bucks.
You have no chance to take your 'business elsewhere' because the 'business' is in America and its allies. And perhaps that's why despite Trump's repeated insults to India in last several months, your leadership is (wisely) biding its time--they know about the bread and the butter situation quite well.

Yes that is true. Even if we tried to diversify to China there would be a lot of barriers.

It's a symbiotic relationship with the West and India.

 

[Watandar]

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China is China due to the prevalent Geopolitics at the time. Now America wants to diversify but it's stuck. They would need to pay substantially more for the same good if they buy it from anywhere else.

China went for manufacturing we went for IT/Services.

China beat the rest of the world in manufacturing and continues to beat it, but India is beneficiary of geopolitics, the West seeking a new ally to counter China selected India and showered it with all sorts of benefits since the 1990's. Same West now realizes the fools they were and is seeking changes.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Watandar sb,

Have you considered the possibility that India's disproportionate presence in IT services industry is because of "type of investments India made in education or supporting an industry like IT services" (your words, not mine) and not because of abuse of H1B facilities?

Regards

 

[El Sidd]

To me, it seems like India's 'prestige' is mostly due to the supposed 'prowess' in the IT. I don't respect Indians tech expertise any more than I respect Pakistanis'. Indians have smartly placed themselves to place tens of millions in Western societies since Bill Clinton 2000 and no taking away from that--just like decades before that, Pakistanis smartly opted for the America-led West instead of the loser Soviets which the Indians followed. If today's Pakistan even stands, it was due to the smart policies starting late 40s AND of President Ayub Khan's decade. But I digress.

As to your post: While India's global imagine is too largely due to its IT, there is no denying that India's educational system, its continuity of policies especially starting early 90s, its pharmaceutical industry etc are a major factor in India's 'image'. Just less than a day ago, I was on a 15 hour flight back to America from Qatar to Miami and several of those sitting with me were Indians coming to Jacksonville, FL to work on cargo ships. They were a very boring company to my very curious brain but polite--and they didn't skink of BO!!

Cultural differences are important. Life is here and life is now. And so when I heard in Pakistan during this trip of just last few weeks, of my distant relatives in England crowing about their flowing beards, their ankle length trousers, their 40-days pilgrimages, their Hijabs/veils, I just want to say something to them but I didn't.

India only gained prevalence due to war on terror. Rest is all conjecture.

Dietary preferences or piece of clothing are personal choices not culture.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Meengla sb

And perhaps that's why despite Trump's repeated insults to India in last several months, your leadership is (wisely) biding its time--they know about the bread and the butter situation quite well.

That's correct! And that is why a government headed by anyone else than Surrender Modi would have had to lump it.

Regards

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Sam6536

China is China due to the prevalent Geopolitics at the time.

No, sir. China is China because it invested in itself, and we didn't.

Regards

 

[kambhakt]

Mate, it is you who looked for trouble with Trump. Not us.

You don't really need to remind us how quickly you folded to Trump's demands.

 

[Watandar]

@Watandar sb,

Have you considered the possibility that India's disproportionate presence in IT services industry is because of "type of investments India made in education or supporting an industry like IT services" (your words, not mine) and not because of abuse of H1B facilities?

Regards

Yes, many countries made similar investments to India in IT education and services in East Asia, Europe and South America. They were however frozen out of the IT outsourcing landscape. They have quietly made inroads only in last 5 to 10 years. There was no reason to only bring in Indians for IT jobs or only outsource to India in last 30 to 35 years.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Watandar

but India is beneficiary of geopolitics, the West seeking a new ally to counter China selected India and showered it with all sorts of benefits since the 1990's.

You dribbled the ball all the way to the goalmouth, and then shot wide

Regards

 

[Sam6536]

China beat the rest of the world in manufacturing and continues to beat it, but India is beneficiary of geopolitics, the West seeking a new ally to counter China selected India and showered it with all sorts of benefits since the 1990's. Same West now realizes the fools they were and is seeking changes.

You claim India is a beneficiary of Geopolitics but what about China then? If the west never move it's factories there China wouldn't be China. China is a product of Geopolitics too.

The West chooses to do business with us for their own dividends. It's not West but Trump who is seeking closer linkage of India with America. It wants India to tow it's line in Geopolitics. EU is actually doubling down on Indian investments, India-EU FTA were in discussion last i checked.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Watandar

Yes, many countries made similar investments to India in IT education and services in East Asia, Europe and South America. They were however frozen out of the IT outsourcing landscape. They have quietly made inroads only in last 5 to 10 years.

Lets examine it more closely

East Asia- Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China too expensive to carry out the kind of work the rank and file Indian IT worker carries out. At the top end of the IT value chain, adjusted for population, IND is no more overrepresented than any of the other East Asians.

Europe- Same set of issues as East Asia.

South America- comparable in cost, but much smaller population, not Anglophone.

Regards

 

[Sam6536]

@Sam6536

China is China due to the prevalent Geopolitics at the time.

No, sir. China is China because it invested in itself, and we didn't.

Regards

We chose services they chose IT. For nations as big as India and China manufacturing and self sufficiency is of utmost priority. That's the reason we seem to be promoting Atmanirbhar Bharat so much lately, the road to development for a nation is through the growth of MSMEs.

Indian redtape, liberalisation as late as 1991 meant we let go of countless opportunities.

I was reading up on how there were multiple times between 1960-1990 when foreign companies like Fairchild, Intel and Motorala who wanted to set up semiconductor fabrication in India but could not do so because of bureaucracy due to state controlled economy.

 

[Watandar]

@Watandar

Yes, many countries made similar investments to India in IT education and services in East Asia, Europe and South America. They were however frozen out of the IT outsourcing landscape. They have quietly made inroads only in last 5 to 10 years.

Lets examine it more closely

East Asia- Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China too expensive to carry out the kind of work the rank and file Indian IT worker carries out. At the top end of the IT value chain, adjusted for population, IND is no more overrepresented than any of the other East Asians.

Europe- Same set of issues as East Asia.

South America- comparable in cost, but much smaller population, not Anglophone.

Regards

East Asia I meant Phillipines , Thailand, Vietnam, even China before the West ganged up on it pre 2017.

Europe I meant Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Czech, Turkey, Balkans, although surprisingly western Europe has gotten into this game also. Eastern Europe is actually the preferred outsourcing destination now.

South America I meant Latin America Argentina, Costa Rica and Mexico.

 

[Meengla]

You claim India is a beneficiary of Geopolitics but what about China then? If the west never move it's factories there China wouldn't be China. China is a product of Geopolitics too.

The West chooses to do business with us for their own dividends. It's not West but Trump who is seeking closer linkage of India with America. It wants India to tow it's line in Geopolitics. EU is actually doubling down of Indian investments, India-EU FTA were in discussion last i checked.

Yes, why not for India, China and Pakistan. All have risen because they stood on the shoulders of the giant called America and its allies since 1945 in various decades. Why not make while the sun shines? Pakistanis are not even intelligent enough to realize that if today's Pakistan even stands it was due to the smart policies from 1947 into the 70s, especially during the great Ayub Khan decade. But that's topic of its own.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Watandar sb,

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My dear friend, Professor sb had posted this a couple of years back. As you can see, there are 721 K Indians, 100K Vietnamese and 64K Philipinos in the IT industry in USA. Adjusted for the population Indians are NOT overpresented in the IT sector.

Regards