H-1B visas must end’: Wife of US citizen shares plight of landing IT jobs

[FuturePAF]

@FuturePAF

Furthermore, the blowback for Modi, and his foreign policy, for many at the top of Indian industries, would force politically unpalatable concessions.

The main leverage that US has over IND is that we get a huge amount of remittance and IT exports revenues from US. If that disappears what leverage is US left with? Even if we make unpalatable concessions, how will IND pay for American imports?

Regards

India exports other things to the US. For example, pharmaceuticals. Trump has been mulling over tariffs on pharmaceuticals, and India is large producer of generics, so tariffs on those would be easier to implement, than manufacturers of brand medications only made by one company. There are plenty of us pharmaceutical companies, such as Mylan in West Virginia, rich could start lobbying Trump again to restrict imports and give American manufacturers more opportunities.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/05/trump-says-pharma-tariffs-could-eventually-reach-up-to-250percent.html#:~:text=President%20Donald%20Trump%20told%20CNBC's,150%25%20and%20then%20250%25.

We have to look at what the US expected from China, when the US opened its markets to China in 2001 as part of China joining the WTO, but also before that; increased agricultural imports but also imports of things like cars and other higher priced machinery.

The US wants India to buy more American products (and less European or East Asian) even if a bit more expensive and a bit less capable or interoperable with everything else India has. This is probably the minimum expectation. The US will probably pressure India, with restrictions on defense exports India has already bought, such as the GE F404/414 engines, to be a better “defense partner” in containing China. The US could also pressure India to buy the F-35.

So these are the kinds of services the US would be happy for India to provide the US, especially to balance out the trade.

Barkha Dutt is calling the H1B fee an H-Bomb.

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P.s. wait till Americans complain to Trump about the poor (less than standard done by Americans) service at hotels and motels run by Indians who got to own these establishments through visa programs. That will be another industry that Trump can get back for American investors and workers.

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[BrigSmart]

Lets see how the appeal goes then, but the current USA administration does not seem to care much about rules or laws it seems and they seem to win more of their fights than they are losing right now.

Yes, it is moot to discuss this since the courts are likely already being flooded with challenges on their electronic filing system and we will probably have some injunction, or not, early next week, but to my mind, it will be impossible for the administration to explain how the supplemental fees were expected to be paid within hours of the proclamation over a weekend for a H1B who returned to the US on Sunday after getting his visa stamped on Friday, if they refuse to grant him entry.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

new initiatives will not improve USA labor market...

USA has started to lose soul!

but not before, it had made an ally like Ind...

both deserve each other!

 

[Musings]

Trump out a tweet out wishing Modi a very happy birthday.
Subsequently the following day Donut Twamp india gwaaate fwend shafts him royally.
Indians attempting to put a twist on this can do so but it wont wash. The penny will eventually drop. Trump is an unpredictable narcissist that simply doesnt even know himself what his next move is.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

Ha, ha half century now!

Thanks to all my wonderful virtual PDF family members for some wonderful discussions and classy tu tu main main.

Regards

 

[BrigSmart]

Till the expiry before they are affeced, right.. so 3 years max, right? Or 1 year ?

Typically, the H1B is for three years and can be renewed for another 3. For those who have approved I-140s and are stuck in the green card queue, there is no limit to the number of H1B extensions. In theory, based on the language of the order, someone who is PERM -approved with an I-140 and cannot get a green card only because of priority date not being current, can dodge this supplemental fee forever as long as he never leaves the United States.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

Anyway this will be tomorrow's news soon enough, but again, all the clues were there a year ago

Yes, of course, and we have been doing this over and over again for the last year or so. It is completely understandable that the Americans (citizens and govt) would like to keep their tech jobs for their own citizens. American corps would like to use the cheapest labour available. The battle won't end here. American corps, supported by their lobbyists and lawyers, will try to poke holes into the rule, should it be enforced. In case they can't, they will discreetly ship some of those jobs abroad.

Regards

 

[Ali_Baba]

Typically, the H1B is for three years and can be renewed for another 3. For those who have approved I-140s and are stuck in the green card queue, there is no limit to the number of H1B extensions. In theory, based on the language of the order, someone who is PERM -approved with an I-140 and cannot get a green card only because of priority date not being current, can dodge this supplemental fee forever as long as he never leaves the United States.

Assuming of course, there are no further changes. What Trump has proposed does not require congress and easy to get through. Further changes may require congress and they did not want to join the two together, no one knows what the final state will be for visa holders.

 

[Ali_Baba]

@r3alist bro

Anyway this will be tomorrow's news soon enough, but again, all the clues were there a year ago

Yes, of course, and we have been doing this over and over again for the last year or so. It is completely understandable that the Americans (citizens and govt) would like to keep their tech jobs for their own citizens. American corps would like to use the cheapest labour available. The battle won't end here. American corps, supported by their lobbyists and lawyers, will try to poke holes into the rule, should it be enforced. In case they can't, they will discreetly ship some of those jobs abroad.

Regards

Well - if a job can be done in India, then it would have already been shipped over. Not all jobs can be shipped over, there is the need for physical proximity to the business and users by location and timezone, regulatory constraints for certain functions and roles etc, which were being exploited by H1Bs scheme. I don't see a big uptick of relocating of jobs to India arising from this change.

 

[BrigSmart]

Assuming of course, there are no further changes. What Trump has proposed does not require congress and easy to get through. Further changes may require congress and they did not want to join the two together, no one knows what the final state will be for visa holders.

Actually I don't quite agree. Firstly, what Trump claims he is doing is not what the language of his order says. The reason for the weak language in the order is that the administration knows it does have the authority to do what it is claiming it is doing ( as opposed to what the order says). In my opinion, large parts, or even the entirety, of the order are also likely to be set aside by the courts, but let us wait a few days to see how that plays out.

Now the question is, if my opinion is right, what is the point of the whole charade ? The simple answer is that like much of what Trump does, it is pure political theatre. The MAGA base hates all non-white immigrants and Trump has to show them he is as tough on the legals as the illegals. That is the reason for doing this over a weekend, so that some legal immigrants can be humiliated and denied due process before the courts can have a say on the matter. Once the courts issue an injunction, Trump will rehash his usual diatribe about liberal judges ruining the country to fire up his base. Mission accomplished.

Congress, of course, does have the power to make all the changes Trump is touting and even to end the program completely, but legislative processes are slow, unpredictable and time-consuming and certainly not expedient for the Trump style reality show politics.

I don't disagree with the broad outlines of what Trump is claiming what he wants-which is to stop abuse of the H1B program, but he is going about it , not just illegally, but in a very ham-handed manner. Taxing American companies for hiring foreigners is only going to make them less competitive against foreign competitors who don't face the same tax. If he wants to stop lower skill workers coming in on H1Bs, he should work with Congress and just raise the salary floor to even 500K, depending on how selective he wants to be. But he mostly cares about political theatre and this will certainly create it for the next few days and deflect attention from the Epstein files.

 

[Dalit]

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Look at the expressions.

 

[FuturePAF]

Typically, the H1B is for three years and can be renewed for another 3. For those who have approved I-140s and are stuck in the green card queue, there is no limit to the number of H1B extensions. In theory, based on the language of the order, someone who is PERM -approved with an I-140 and cannot get a green card only because of priority date not being current, can dodge this supplemental fee forever as long as he never leaves the United States.

Trump is cracking down on visa overstays and going hard on people with the most minor of infractions from decades ago. Why do you think he would let these workers stay due to a loophole he could close with another executive order.

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[Dalit]

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Why do Indians think that US innovation depends on Indian tech bros?

 

[Dalit]

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Now you understand why Elon acts the way he acts. Well done Trump.

 

[Watandar]

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Why do Indians think that US innovation depends on Indian tech bros?

Drinking too much of their own kool aid. I remember Indians boasting from 20 years ago that their nationality and a degree alone were enough to get lucrative IT job and visa in the US. Boy did Indians take advantage of that to the nth degree, going to America and later on hiring only Indians as well. Multiple companies I have worked in their IT dept was 90 to 95% Indian.

Only now Indians are slowly realizing all that was part of America building up India as a potential ally. But now Americans have soured on India and are putting them in their place.