HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

[Yasser76]

No I didn't. You are just acting you. Instead of reading what you want to read, read what I actually wrote.

AH-64 is perfect example of corruption in purchases. In 10-15 years, these military babus are going to die and India will be free of their worthless weight.

Just acting me when I stated the massive foreign imports Indian Army is making?

Cope harder.

 

[Thinking]

Just acting me when I stated the massive foreign imports Indian Army is making?

Cope harder.

I made a mistake. I will not do it again.

 

[Corax]

Yasser is right about delays
But what confuses me is the Indians just signed a deal for another 113 GE engines with USA for second order of 97 Tejas mark 1a
Yet the USA has not supplied engines for the first 83 Tejas on order
Confused

You were better off using the RD93 for the tejus. Ironically, the JF17 could have been the ideal solution to what the IAF needed - it's essentially a highly modified Mig-33 design concept from the 80s for a single engine lightweight fighter based on the Mig-29/RD33 combo. You wouldn't have had any issues with engines or integrating Russian systems and weapons.

 

[Michael]

Ironically, the JF17 could have been the ideal solution to what the IAF needed -

LOL.

This isn't just ordinary irony. This is extreme irony...

 

[hasssanali8998]

who knows who they're going to attack..

their ADs will down them before thy can do that

 

[Oscar]

You were better off using the RD93 for the tejus. Ironically, the JF17 could have been the ideal solution to what the IAF needed - it's essentially a highly modified Mig-33 design concept from the 80s for a single engine lightweight fighter based on the Mig-29/RD33 combo. You wouldn't have had any issues with engines or integrating Russian systems and weapons.

Technically yes but not exactly - Ive talking about this for years as “rumination” but this was the ideal Tejas especially knowing the large MKi fleet.

S-54

I believe the Tejas is where it is because in my opinion (and happy to be corrected) there is a strong Mirage 2000 “club” and Mig-21 “club” in the IAF that dominated from the early 90s to mid-2000s which is also why they preferred a pocket mirage design , french and western input in attempts to make a reliable design.

Which they could have still pulled off with a Russian design and more importantly taking an off the shelf idea would be much easier.

 

[Oscar]

More than the leaks itself - the placement of shopping / gift bags reflects poorly on the professionalism.

Or maybe that’s the best way to go “nothing to see here folks - all part of the show”.

I wonder if it will actually be able to fly back?

 

[Corax]

The tejus effectively follows a similar template to the Saab Gripen, both based around an F404 engine. But if the Swedes can license produce an F404 engine in the guise of the RM12 and develop a lightweight fighter around it by integrating some third party systems and weapons, as well as their own, then why can't india with it's "4 trillion dollar" economy and "the best engineers in the world who built silicon valley"? lol

 

[Hussain]

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[Oscar]

The tejus effectively follows a similar template to the Saab Gripen, both based around an F404 engine. But if the Swedes can license produce an F404 engine in the guise of the RM12 and develop a lightweight fighter around it by integrating some third party systems and weapons, as well as their own, then why can't india with it's "4 trillion dollar" economy and "the best engineers in the world who built silicon valley"? lol

Partly unfair comment to them - swedes have the entire history of SAAB and decades of process development from it.

India took on Tejas after it’s last indigenous project was nearly 20-30 years ago and since then all they were doing (generally) is following blueprints for soviet monkey models and building around that. The sector was heavily regulated by yes men and bureaucracies which is also why most of early Indian IT talent went abroad instead of working in India.

So while technically they have very good engineers (part of top talent at places like Lucid, Tesla , Ford and other - then LM, Raytheon etc) the local environment was never conducive to them contributing and took a lot of time to get the ol boys club out.

 

[Mobius]

The Samosa was fried in too much cooking oil bhai saab.......

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[UndercoverJIX]

The Samosa was fried in too much cooking oil bhai saab.......

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usually for exhibitions, best presentable show piece is sent, If India had this for static displays for the World's Biggest and best Air Show, just imagine the quality of the rest.

There is a reason Tejas only shows up once in a while for appearance, IAF not even sending close to borders during tensions, not even under Rafale and Raptor of the eat protection.

 

[Corax]

Partly unfair comment to them - swedes have the entire history of SAAB and decades of process development from it.

India took on Tejas after it’s last indigenous project was nearly 20-30 years ago and since then all they were doing (generally) is following blueprints for soviet monkey models and building around that. The sector was heavily regulated by yes men and bureaucracies which is also why most of early Indian IT talent went abroad instead of working in India.

So while technically they have very good engineers (part of top talent at places like Lucid, Tesla , Ford and other - then LM, Raytheon etc) the local environment was never conducive to them contributing and took a lot of time to get the ol boys club out.

I don't think those excuses hold any ground. The Turks went from license producing Vipers straight to an indigenous fifth gen type along with a UCAV and a multitude of other tech and a wide defence industry, all without having to bother with developing an indigenous fourth gen fighter. But I guess that's the difference between a country like Turkey and india.

 

[onlinpunit]

Partly unfair comment to them - swedes have the entire history of SAAB and decades of process development from it.

India took on Tejas after it’s last indigenous project was nearly 20-30 years ago and since then all they were doing (generally) is following blueprints for soviet monkey models and building around that. The sector was heavily regulated by yes men and bureaucracies which is also why most of early Indian IT talent went abroad instead of working in India.

So while technically they have very good engineers (part of top talent at places like Lucid, Tesla , Ford and other - then LM, Raytheon etc) the local environment was never conducive to them contributing and took a lot of time to get the ol boys club out.

One important aspect we often ignore is the economic well being of india. ! When the project was sanctioned india was almost on the verge of Bankruptcy. By 90s we had to pledge the gold for 275 millions $. It was only by mid 90s that economic reforms brought stability and the LCA project was taken seriously ! And then came the crippling post Nuclear test sanctions.

 

[Shui]

I don't think those excuses hold any ground. The Turks went from license producing Vipers straight to an indigenous fifth gen type along with a UCAV and a multitude of other tech and a wide defence industry, all without having to bother with developing an indigenous fourth gen fighter. But I guess that's the difference between a country like Turkey and india.

Turkey and South Korea are having similar path, western cooperation, tot, because they have much better domestic tech based comparing with India, means they can learn during the process and slowly switching foreign components with local ones.