HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

And still the golden standard for any fourth generation fighter to me measured against! And as it seems also the aim for India with the Tejas Mk.2 to at least make a closely comparable fighter.
Correct, but note that the Tejas is meant to be India's lowest tier combat aircraft in future. The F-16s are presently the cutting edge for many militaries. The Tejas will be the lower tier (and most numerous), Rafales and MKIs will form the next tier, and hopefully a capable 5th gen fighter will be the sword arm in future.

That's the expectation. We have to wait and see how it all pans out.
 
I agree on point about Tejas mark1a being the work horse of IAF..

And it fits that bill really well
Cheaper to buy and run then mki and Rafales
Built at home in large no's to fill squadrons
Still lethel as advanced airframe build Aesa radar and variety of weapons to use

We just need mass induction quickly
Currently I see
Only 4 to be delivered this year 2024
Around 12 2025
16 in 2026
20 in 2027
24 in 2028

I see pig increase in production as Nashik plant starts producing as well as Bengaluru of course
 
Firstly, it was about design, now its about PV?

In that sense we shouldnt talk about anything, lets call the mods, and close down this thread. @Nilgiri
Nothing wrong with discussion. Problem is useless comparisons..
 

That looks incredible. Far gone are the days of analogue gauges & displays and toggle switches and huge crank levers lol. Although touch screens seem a bit odd for every application considering the G-forces that fighter pilots experience and reaching for an icon on a touch screen to set or activate a critical component while performing a negative 3G pushover might not be as ideal as a simple switch. Along with all this high tech I'm sure there's a new training procedure for new techniques to deal with such changes that are the result of all this high tech.

With AI infusing almost every facet of our lives, perhaps the current level of voice command used in the latest avionics suites will only get even more prominent with respect to flying these modern marvels.

So based on that pic, LCA is obviously a sidestick, yes?

That's not a simulator with just the screening for training, right?

Ever since the venerable F-16 with its amazing bubble canopy, the 30 degree reclining of the zero-zero ejection seat and especially the locating of the stick to the side instead of the center pedestal and how revolutionary that was seemed like it would be a much better choice for pilots (especially right-handed ones which I think is the overwhelming majority) than having the stick in the center between the legs and one's arm's cross-reach not being nearly as comfortable. It just seemed like a more ergonomically sound design that I figured we would see it almost exclusively in all subsequently new fighter jet designs. Why any new fighter being designed & built post F-16 would have a center stick is puzzling to me.
 
That looks incredible. Far gone are the days of analogue gauges & displays and toggle switches and huge crank levers lol. Although touch screens seem a bit odd for every application considering the G-forces that fighter pilots experience and reaching for an icon on a touch screen to set or activate a critical component while performing a negative 3G pushover might not be as ideal as a simple switch. Along with all this high tech I'm sure there's a new training procedure for new techniques to deal with such changes that are the result of all this high tech.

With AI infusing almost every facet of our lives, perhaps the current level of voice command used in the latest avionics suites will only get even more prominent with respect to flying these modern marvels.

So based on that pic, LCA is obviously a sidestick, yes?

That's not a simulator with just the screening for training, right?

Ever since the venerable F-16 with its amazing bubble canopy, the 30 degree reclining of the zero-zero ejection seat and especially the locating of the stick to the side instead of the center pedestal and how revolutionary that was seemed like it would be a much better choice for pilots (especially right-handed ones which I think is the overwhelming majority) than having the stick in the center between the legs and one's arm's cross-reach not being nearly as comfortable. It just seemed like a more ergonomically sound design that I figured we would see it almost exclusively in all subsequently new fighter jet designs. Why any new fighter being designed & built post F-16 would have a center stick is puzzling to me.
That pic does seem like a simulator or a rendering of a simulator, no pics of an assembled mk2 have been released, its not even assembled. If yoh look closely in the backgroud of the picture it appears to be indoors, so a simulator maybe.
 
That pic does seem like a simulator or a rendering of a simulator, no pics of an assembled mk2 have been released, its not even assembled. If yoh look closely in the backgroud of the picture it appears to be indoors, so a simulator maybe.

Oh I thought it was of the Mk1. My bad.
 
Nothing wrong with discussion. Problem is useless comparisons..
You specially quoted me on post where I posted about HAL-RTOS, and giving an impression that I shouldn’t post such things before design is complete, and then PV rollout, and then again changing your stance.

Secondly, fighting a war and winning it is all about comparison, not just scientific achievements of labs. It’s a comparison at every level from war tactics, to the technologies that employed.

If it is not then tell the IAF to flip a coin and choose MRFA, because it’s not about comparison.

One can make an argument that, to maintain the decorum of forum, one shouldn’t delve into it, that’s alright by me.

But then don’t tell me that you shouldn’t post this or that, because design is incomplete.
 
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That looks incredible. Far gone are the days of analogue gauges & displays and toggle switches and huge crank levers lol. Although touch screens seem a bit odd for every application considering the G-forces that fighter pilots experience and reaching for an icon on a touch screen to set or activate a critical component while performing a negative 3G pushover might not be as ideal as a simple switch. Along with all this high tech I'm sure there's a new training procedure for new techniques to deal with such changes that are the result of all this high tech.

With AI infusing almost every facet of our lives, perhaps the current level of voice command used in the latest avionics suites will only get even more prominent with respect to flying these modern marvels.

So based on that pic, LCA is obviously a sidestick, yes?

That's not a simulator with just the screening for training, right?

Ever since the venerable F-16 with its amazing bubble canopy, the 30 degree reclining of the zero-zero ejection seat and especially the locating of the stick to the side instead of the center pedestal and how revolutionary that was seemed like it would be a much better choice for pilots (especially right-handed ones which I think is the overwhelming majority) than having the stick in the center between the legs and one's arm's cross-reach not being nearly as comfortable. It just seemed like a more ergonomically sound design that I figured we would see it almost exclusively in all subsequently new fighter jet designs. Why any new fighter being designed & built post F-16 would have a center stick is puzzling to me.
It’s a mockup for LCA Mk2, most likely was designed to go into ironbird.
 
And still the golden standard for any fourth generation fighter to me measured against! And as it seems also the aim for India with the Tejas Mk.2 to at least make a closely comparable fighter.

A 50 year old airframe design, no matter how well worked will show limitations. There is a reason why Rafale and EFT and J 10 all have similar airframe design structures.

Not one of the modern medium fighter designs has any similarity in design with F 16. Aerodynamic design has just moved ahead.
 
As a system Mk1A going to be superior than Block 52, but not against Block 70/72.
But that doesnt mean it cant fight against Block 70, and even win battles against it, but it still an inferior platform.

Even the EW suite is inferior in some aspect, as it is only integrated with passive modes of radar, not active like is Viper Shield.
The design of Tejas is definitely more capable and upgradable compared to the F-16. There are limitations to how much you can upgrade a design that was created 50 years ago. For example, the MiG-21's design cannot be upgraded to incorporate the technology used in the Tejas or the Rafales.
 
Correct, but note that the Tejas is meant to be India's lowest tier combat aircraft in future. The F-16s are presently the cutting edge for many militaries. The Tejas will be the lower tier (and most numerous), Rafales and MKIs will form the next tier, and hopefully a capable 5th gen fighter will be the sword arm in future.

That's the expectation. We have to wait and see how it all pans out.
F-16 is also the lowest tier aircraft of USAF
 
The design of Tejas is definitely more capable and upgradable compared to the F-16. There are limitations to how much you can upgrade a design that was created 50 years ago. For example, the MiG-21's design cannot be upgraded to incorporate the technology used in the Tejas or the Rafales.
No, it is not, F-16 airframe was designed for 8000 hours of service life.
And the upgrade they showed for F-21, was almost similar than what we going to see in LCA Mk2.
 

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