HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

[Bhojpuranchali]

Don’t make me laugh. Turkey don’t even have a FTB for AESA radar,,, heck they even lack a RCS facility for VLO. Even to certify FBW’s CLAW you need around 2000 hours of test flying, that alone is a 4-5 years of testing. But magically somehow they're able to certify everything within the timeline. BTW, F-35 had to fly 17000 flying hours to complete SDD.

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So, they flew this airframe just for the sake of flying it? Without avionics and even landing gears? If so, then the first flight of KAAN was merely a PR exercise.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Looks like it's losing the tapered ends at the LERX and those bulbous intakes are insane-looking! Almost looks like it's to be a dedicated interceptor, designed like a dart, to go straight and super fast. Intriguing with the mini H-stabs.

It looks more like a cheap made in India drone.

 

[Yasser76]

You call me delusional
Your the one with Pakistan will have
200, plus fifth fighters by 2035:
Not me bro
We won't have one
So whose deluded you or me

Where did i state Pak will have 200 5th gen fighter sin any of my posts? Now having lost the argument you seek to make up facts about me?

 

[onlinpunit]

Beyond 2030, if IAF are inducting and HAL is making 4/4.5 gen aircraft something has gone very wrong. Plans that look good on paper now will be obsolete in 10 years.

The generational lag in Tejas development means that it's main MK1A version will start coming of the factory line when one of it's main rivals (JF-17 Block III and J-10C) will come to the end of their production lives. China and Pakistan will move on to purely 5th gen, in case of China, Europe and US, possibly 6th gen.

10 years from now IAF may well induct first new Tejas MKII sqd with much fanfare, trust me when I say China will have 6th gen by then, PAF will have either J-31/KAAN/PFX or some mixture f all three

With Tejas MK1A and MK2 you will have capable planes that will not be able to see, locate or target many of their enemies, and in many cases be outranged by missiles.

As with Arjun and Rustom drone, India is making a decent product a generation too late. No shame in that, India is still learning and should credit it's engineers and designers, but it's air force and pilots require state of the art.

Three painful steps can remedy this situation

1) Dump Tejas MK2, expediate AMCA. Literally put all your aviation resources into this
2) Dump Russia, lose S-400, promise whatever you need to with the US and buy 120 F-35
3) Like Japan that has a very robust aviation and technology base, go for a joint 6th gen project with Europe (either the Franco/German project or the British/Swedish/Jap project)

All of the above will massively benefit Indian industry and learning. If you do not do this, expect to face the very best Chinese and possibly European 5th/6th gen tech in the hands of your enemies in 10-15 years while you are flying Tejas and SU-30s....

JF 17 has already reached it's end of production life.
With total order of 30/50 Block 3 the future is bleek !

 

[Yasser76]

J31 could be a very good aircraft and better than MK IA. But it has flaws and those make it not as formidable as its peers in the game. Just because other countries don’t have data on it, doesn’t make it a ghost. Dhanoa had made a statement based on the basic aspects of its aerodynamics. People not liking Dhanoa, wouldn’t change those facts.

China definitely has a lead in developing and making its own aircraft. India has been late to the party and is playing a catch up game. Sadly, there is no shortcut to that.

Worrying over it can’t be of any help either. It is not possible to bridge the gaps with an adversary like China at all times. Look at the Chinese navy. Their numbers, reach and capabilities. What to do? Die worrying over it?

Moreover, would China field only J31 class aircraft against India at all times?

There are battle plans against stronger adversaries. Plans based on working on own strengths and exploiting adversaries weaknesses.

Assuming that all the strengths lie with China and all weaknesses with India, would be naive to say the least.

Can you outline these "flaws", am interested as no one seems to know much about this aircraft, not even US Intel, but you seem to have the inside track, please share?

Dhanoa claimed a lot of things, if we went simply by looks then IAF would not be buying Tejas.

 

[Yasser76]

Don’t make me laugh. Turkey don’t even have a FTB for AESA radar,,, heck they even lack a RCS facility for VLO. Even to certify FBW’s CLAW you need around 2000 hours of test flying, that alone is a 4-5 years of testing. But magically somehow they're able to certify everything within the timeline. BTW, F-35 had to fly 17000 flying hours to complete SDD.

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Mock them as much as you want, they have a flying KAAN, you have AMCA models.

 

[Yasser76]

So, they flew this airframe just for the sake of flying it? Without avionics and even landing gears? If so, then the first flight of KAAN was merely a PR exercise.

Source: social Media "Trust me bro"

 

[Yasser76]

In an interview with Anantha Krishnan M of Tarmak Media House, ADA Director Dr Jitendra Jadhav disclosed that the Uttam radar has been successfully integrated into the Tejas Mk-1 jet.

Dr Jadhav says, "We have integrated the Uttam radar with Tejas Mk-1 and completed 125 flights. We have completed the A2A and A2G performance and other features [of the radar]," adding that "a few of the flight tests are pending which will be conducted shortly, but today, as a radar, it is functioning on par with imported radars, and in some areas, it performs much better than imported radars."

He says, "We have already given the hardware clearance for production. The production can now proceed concurrently till we finish some tests which are pending, and then hopefully, we are expecting that by the 41st aircraft, the Uttam radar will be integrated into the MK-1A."

India's Uttam AESA Radar Is Close To Clearing A Major Milestone — Here's The Lowdown

India’s indigenously developed Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Uttam radar is nearing of completion of its flight trials

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Then why are you putting Israeli radars in all Tejas planes being made right now? it is not a proven frontline system my any stretch of the imagination....even your wild imagination....

 

[Guynextdoor]

Don’t make me laugh. Turkey don’t even have a FTB for AESA radar,,, heck they even lack a RCS facility for VLO. Even to certify FBW’s CLAW you need around 2000 hours of test flying, that alone is a 4-5 years of testing. But magically somehow they're able to certify everything within the timeline. BTW, F-35 had to fly 17000 flying hours to complete SDD.

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Surprised at some. but then reflects some questions I asked before too

How the hell are these going to get into production in 1 to 2 years if radar wasn't installed and needs 2000 hrs for validation

 

[Guynextdoor]

Well you did not seem to know that Tempest is due to be in service by 2035, so "knowing more then me" may not be 100% accurate.

India has no proven AESA, Uttam is stll in develment and even Tejas m1ka will use Israeli radar. You need to stop deluding yourself

Uttam is already certified and a new version for Su 30 is under development.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Mock them as much as you want, they have a flying KAAN, you have AMCA models.

Flying is not the sole purpose of a fighter jet. When the first prototype of Tejas flew in 2001, it had all the components of a fighter jet. It didn't fly as an empty shell like KAAN. Any country can replicate what Turkey did here, fit an airframe with an imported engine and fly it. But, that doesn't constitute a prototype or a technology demonstrator.

 

[Guynextdoor]

So, they flew this airframe just for the sake of flying it? Without avionics and even landing gears? If so, then the first flight of KAAN was merely a PR exercise.

WTF? Not retracting landing gear is standard procedure but are you claiming it is not retractable? And it didn't have a working flight computer? Or maybe FBW was not validated?

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Source: social Media "Trust me bro"

Can you tell me name of the radar used in the so-called first prototype of KAAN?

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

WTF? Not retracting landing gear is standard procedure but are you claiming it is not retractable? And it didn't have a working flight computer? Or maybe FBW was not validated?

The tweet suggests that it’s not some prototype but just an airframe intended for stress testing on the ground. But, under Erdogan's pressure, it was made to fly without radar, mission computers, or any other essential components. It appears to have been merely a PR exercise by Erdogan before elections.

 

[Guynextdoor]

The tweet suggests that it’s not some prototype but just an airframe intended for stress testing on the ground. But, under Erdogan's pressure, it was made to fly without radar, mission computers, or any other essential components. It appears to have been merely a PR exercise by Erdogan before elections.

wow, just be happy the pilot survived then

@Bhojpuranchali any intimation that stealth coatings were done to the airframe? Or was that just non-stealth 'normal' airframe.