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CHINA CONFIRMS SUBMARINE SALE TO PAKISTAN
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China confirms submarine sale to Pakistan
In a recent conference, the Chairman of China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation confirmed that it has secured a sale of 8 submarines to Pakistan …
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In a recent conference, the Chairman of China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC – the manufacturing arm of China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Co. Ltd or CSOC) Hu Wenming confirmed that CSIC had secured a contract to supply eight attack submarines to Pakistan (China People’s Daily).
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Hu Wenming’s comments are the first verifiable Chinese comments regarding Pakistan’s submarine order, and they should serve as confirmation that the program is now with no doubt in Pakistan’s procurement pipeline. Pakistan ordered eight air-independent propulsion (AIP)-powered conventional submarines, four of the ships will be built by Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) in Pakistan. CSIC will set up a training centre – in relation to the transfer-of-technology and co-production element – in Karachi.
According to the Chief Project Director of the program, the first submarine will be delivered in 2022, and a subsequent three will be delivered by the end of 2023. The remaining four – i.e. the batch to be produced by KSEW – will be delivered by the end of 2028. Specific details into the make of the submarines have not been disclosed, though it is likely to be the CSOC S20, an apparent export derivative of the Type 039 Yuan.
In light of the relatively heavy order, it is apparent that the Pakistan Navy is being tuned for a strong anti-access and area denial (A2/AD) mission profile. If one is to assume that the submarines are AIP-equipped S20s, then the PN’s forthcoming submarines would have a submerged displacement of 2,200-tons. This is smaller and lighter than the People Liberation Army Navy (PLAN)’s Yuan-class, which has viewed – at least by retired U.S. Navy Captain Christopher P. Carlson (via the U.S. Naval Institute) an ocean-faring design, as opposed to a coastal A2/AD-centric design (akin to the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems Type 214).
For Pakistan, a smaller and lighter submarine could offer a number of advantages. First, as a less costly design, it could be procured in relatively sizable numbers. Second, Pakistan’s A2/AD strategy does not require it to send submarines into the outer edges of its exclusive economic zone (EEZ), hence the Yuan’s ostensibly greater range is a non-factor. Third, a smaller submarine offers more flexibility in terms of the Navy’s AIP selection. In other words, a lighter design could enable the Navy to opt for fuel-cell AIPs, which – while low output – could offer superior submerged endurance (via superior fuel efficiency). The low output could be offset by the lighter design, enabling the PN to possess a submarine with reasonable underwater speed (whilst still benefitting from relatively long endurance).
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Pakistan holds keel-laying and cutting-steel ceremonies for the Hangor-class submarines - Naval News
The keel laying of the 1st HANGOR-class submarine (5th overall) and the steel cutting of the 2nd submarine (6th) were carried out at KS&EW.
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Pakistan holds keel-laying and cutting-steel ceremonies for the Hangor-class submarines
The indigenous submarine development project in Pakistan has reached another milestone. The keel laying of the first HANGOR-class submarine (5th overall) and the steel cutting of the second submarine (6th overall) were carried out at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KS&EW) on December 24, 2022.
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The defense agreement between Pakistan and China included the development of 08 x HANGOR-class Submarines including four submarines under construction at Wuchang Shipbuilding Industry Group (WSIG) in China and the remaining four being built at KS&EW under the Transfer of Technology (ToT) agreement. The construction work of the first submarine to be made at KS&EW Pakistan commenced on Dec 21 and now the Keel Laying is being laid which is a major milestone in the history of any naval vessel being constructed. Concurrently, construction work on the subsequent submarine has started with its Steel Cutting at the same shipyard.
HANGOR-class Submarine is capable to undertake a variety of missions as per operational dictates. The submarine possesses advanced stealth features and is fitted with state-of-the-art weapons and sensors to operate under a multi-threat environment and can engage targets at stand-off ranges.
On the occasion, the honorable Chief Guest expressed that it is a matter of great pride to witness the Keel Laying and Steel Cutting of two submarines concurrently. He added that Pakistan Navy is aware of the evolving Geo-strategic situation in our region and will continue to develop naval potential, improve shipbuilding infrastructure and equip platforms with advanced weapons/ sensors to counter traditional as well as asymmetric threats. The Admiral showed confidence that these submarines will play a leading role in catering to the operational needs of the Pakistan Navy.
Earlier the distinguished Rep of M/s China Shipbuilding Offshore Company (CSOC) expressed his gratitude for the ceremony. He added that his company will ensure seamless provision of all resources/ support for the smooth construction of submarines in Pakistan. He further said that the Pak-China friendship is deeply rooted and shares common objectives.
The ceremony was attended by representatives of M/s CSOC (China) and other high-ranking officials including distinguished guests from the Embassy of China, Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP), Pakistan Navy (PN), and KS&EW.
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Naval News comments on Hangor-class project:
The Hangor-class submarines are an export variant of the PLAN’s Type 039A/041 Yuan-class submarines. Pakistan accepted the purchase of eight submarines from China in April 2015. According to the agreement, four of the submarines will be built in Pakistan’s KSEW at the same time as the other four would be produced in China.
The eight boats are scheduled to be delivered between 2022 and 2028. The Chief Director of the program revealed in August 2016 that the first four of these submarines will be delivered in 2022-2023, with the final four following in 2028.
The Pakistan Navy does not offer any details about the Hangor-class submarines’ subsystems or specific weapon systems. The Stirling AIP system is used in China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company’s (CSOC) S26 design, on which many experts assume the Hangor is based, but Pakistani officials have not publicly revealed the propulsion system of Hangor-class subs.
According to the Pakistani defense blog Quwa, Hangor-class submarines will be 76 meters long and have a displacement of 2800 tons, making them slightly shorter but heavier than the original S26 design.
Currently, PN operates three Agosta 90B air-independent propulsion (AIP) submarines and two Agosta 70 diesel-electric submarines. Three Agosta 90B subs have been undergoing a mid-life upgrade under a contract signed in 2016 with the Turkish STM Company as the prime contractor. STM delivered the first upgraded submarine, PNS Hamza, in 2020. The scope of modernization is the replacement of the Fire Control System, Sonar Suite, Electronic Warfare System, Radar, and Periscope System (Navigation and Assault).
The eight Hangor Class submarines will significantly strengthen the Pakistan Navy. Pakistan is likely to improve its A2/AD capabilities in the region after the project is completed. Though no official confirmation has been made on the weapon systems, it is clear that Pakistan would obtain deep strike capability if the Hangor-class submarines were outfitted with Babur-3 SLCMs.
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Kindly edit the post and add text to it rather than simply sharing links. ThanksHangor-class submarine - Wikipedia
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Would have been great if these arrived end of 2023 however 4 Submarines would be nice add
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There are 2 threads for the Hangoor submarines and both hav ebeen made sticky.
The other one (link below)should be merged here to make one thread.
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The other one (link below)should be merged here to make one thread.
Hangor Class Submarine Project | Updates & Discussions
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What torpedos will Pakistan procure with the Hangor Submarines? Presumably an export approved variant of the Chinese Yu-9 torpedo.
Does the PN have a strategy to source torpedos from multiple sources, to keep the enemy guessing, or is it required to use “OEM” torpedos; that came with the submarine?
A mix of the Chinese Yu-9 torpedo, the latest export approved Turkish Akya torpedo and the Italian (Leonardo) Blackshark torpedo could really keep the enemy guessing.
Does the PN have a strategy to source torpedos from multiple sources, to keep the enemy guessing, or is it required to use “OEM” torpedos; that came with the submarine?
A mix of the Chinese Yu-9 torpedo, the latest export approved Turkish Akya torpedo and the Italian (Leonardo) Blackshark torpedo could really keep the enemy guessing.
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from memory PN is buying Black Sharks- currently the mainstay is DM2A4
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There is little value of a submarine launched torpedo nowadays, given the limited range, other than action against isolated enemy subs.....
LWT though, no?
you are aware the entire point of a sub is to be able to get up close right
Submarine launched torpedo is and will remain the most lethal arsenal of PN sub fleet.
Heavy torpedo can break the ship into two, sinking is inevitable. Destroyer size ships can take hits from anti-ship missiles and still afloat or remain in fight. Plus ships have more number of mechanisms to defeat the incoming missile for obvious reasons as its above the sea. (Electronic warfare, CIWS, long range missiles, short range missiles, chaffs / flares ....) In contrast defeating a torpedo is more difficult. Modern torpedoes have the capability to distinguish between a decoy and the ship.
An incoming torpedo is a nightmare for any ship. Single hit from the torpedo is a death sentence.
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