Hangor Class Submarine | Updates & Discussion

[maverick]

Anyone has any idea how many SLCM Babur 3 can be carried by Each Hangor Sub ? secondly, is Babur SLCM Mirv capable? lastly, how big of a warhead can it carry? 350Kton plutonium based?

 

[Tremain]

Anyone has any idea how many SLCM Babur 3 can be carried by Each Hangor Sub ?

The rumor is, from 4 to 6.

is Babur SLCM Mirv capable?

No.

how big of a warhead can it carry? 350Kton plutonium based?

When Pakistan first tested it's nukes, it was suggested that Mirage aircraft practiced with dummy nukes that were meant to be a standard 35-45 kilotons.

No idea what the standard is today. We have indeed come a long way since.

 

[maverick]

The rumor is, from 4 to 6.


No.


When Pakistan first tested it's nukes, it was suggested that Mirage aircraft practiced with dummy nukes that were meant to be a standard 35-45 kilotons.

No idea what the standard is today. We have indeed come a long way since.

even 4 with 200kton combined is massive

 

[m52k85]

.. AShMs , to unleash at safe distance and still have chance to slip away.

How do sub get a targeting track for AShMs? Ships use their radars or that of shipborn AEW aircrafts (mostly rotors).

 

[Tremain]

How do sub get a targeting track for AShMs? Ships use their radars or that of shipborn AEW aircrafts (mostly rotors).

I am assuming you mean if the submarine is underwater?

If the location of target is fixed and known, it will use the methods any cruise missile would use.... inertial guidance or GPS, etc.

If the target is moving, they will use sonar. Or data-link.... a drone or chopper or plane will send the coordinates to the sub which will do the necessary calculations.

 

[Tremain]

BTW, a submariner will always prefer a torpedo over a missile for an ocean target.

I get it... the good people of Pakistan are dying for an opportunity to nuke someone.... I am the same.... but firing a missile gives away your position faster.

 

[m52k85]

I am assuming you mean if the submarine is underwater?

If the location of target is fixed and known, it will use the methods any cruise missile would use.... inertial guidance or GPS, etc.

If the target is moving, they will use sonar. Or data-link.... a drone or chopper or plane will send the coordinates to the sub which will do the necessary calculations.

Thanks.
Yes, I meant from underwater of course. Targeting a moving surface contact, without any data-link support from a drone/ chopper / MPV. A far-from-Pakistani-shore scenario for the PN.

I understand the sub will need to come to or near surface to let go a missile (tube launched), doesn't the sonar track break when doing so? Interrupting the firing solution and breaking the kill chain.

 

[Tremain]

I understand the sub will need to come to or near surface to let go a missile (tube launched), doesn't the sonar track break when doing so? Interrupting the firing solution and breaking the kill chain.

Not a problem.

Anti-ship missile - Wikipedia

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An anti-ship missile (AShM) is a guided missile that is designed for use against ships and large boats. Most anti-ship missiles are of the sea skimming variety, and many use a combination of inertial guidance and active radar homing. A large number of other anti-ship missiles use infrared homing to follow the heat that is emitted by a ship; it is also possible for anti-ship missiles to be guided by radio command all the way.

 

[Iceman2]

Hangoor Class update

 

[arslank01]

How do sub get a targeting track for AShMs? Ships use their radars or that of shipborn AEW aircrafts (mostly rotors).

sonar for a track, or they will get to snorkel depth, search for emissions, radar, datalink etc, get a last known location and pass that data onto the missile which will then look using its own seeker. all happens at relatively short ranges anyway

 

[arslank01]

Thanks.
Yes, I meant from underwater of course. Targeting a moving surface contact, without any data-link support from a drone/ chopper / MPV. A far-from-Pakistani-shore scenario for the PN.

I understand the sub will need to come to or near surface to let go a missile (tube launched), doesn't the sonar track break when doing so? Interrupting the firing solution and breaking the kill chain.

it wont need to maintain a track, last known location should do it, ships are slow and the distances are small. They wont need to come up, sub harpoons can be launched from a 60 meter depth, babur uses similar casing design/launch mech, likely to be launched from reasonable depth

 

[Oscar]

it wont need to maintain a track, last known location should do it, ships are slow and the distances are small. They wont need to come up, sub harpoons can be launched from a 60 meter depth, babur uses similar casing design/launch mech, likely to be launched from reasonable depth

Generally the solution is verified again when coming up to launch depth - a risky maneuver could be if the sub decides to come to periscope depth and uses its ESM/IIR mast to verify the target again - and then launches.

However, that gives away position pretty quickly and both surface vessels and ASW will be hitting that area quickly with ASROCs and active torpedoes.

 

[White Privilege]

BTW, a submariner will always prefer a torpedo over a missile for an ocean target.

I get it... the good people of Pakistan are dying for an opportunity to nuke someone.... I am the same.... but firing a missile gives away your position faster.

I would love to know how the submariners of today would prefer a few torpedoes, against one 'HVT' in the surface group, from a very close range, over a barrage of AshMs, from a much much longer distance that increases hit probability, and forces the enemy escorts to also save their own skin, rather than concentrate on the now revealed sub....The sub gets spotted either way but it has much higher chance of survival when attacking with stand off missiles....

 

[CSAW]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1759027850550628803

 

[Oscar]

I would love to know how the submariners of today would prefer a few torpedoes, against one 'HVT' in the surface group, from a very close range, over a barrage of AshMs, from a much much longer distance that increases hit probability, and forces the enemy escorts to also save their own skin, rather than concentrate on the now revealed sub....The sub gets spotted either way but it has much higher chance of survival when attacking with stand off missiles....

AsHMs have a lower hit probability than torpedoes - they can be taken out with air defense assets.

Torpedoes on the other hand can be decoyed - countermeasured and so on on. But at the end they can chase you down and break your bow.