If given a choice, IAF would happily Walk Away from Tejas - Angad Singh - Defence Writer

[vayu]

You should be more worried about it becoming irrelevant or a burden

With future involving Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) or "loyal wingmen," AI-enabled. 4.5 will be relavant for very long time and cheaper to operate, and use 5 gen and 6 gen for selective operations

 

[r3alist]

ie we don't rate Pakistan as a "rival

Collective Alzheimer's


Pakistan is the only nation you talk about, operation Sindy open, no?
Bahhh...

In any case Pakistan is placed such that it's closet allies will pass on benefits that India won't have, your problem is more falling behind your peers as you spend the next decade to achieve what should have been done 20 years ago

As far as security is concerned there are more than one ways to skin the cat

This is mean reversion, and it's a lowering average

Now it's just merely security absent indigenous capabilities.

 

[samsite84]

Collective Alzheimer's


Pakistan is the only nation you talk about, operation Sindy open, no?
Bahhh...

In any case Pakistan is placed such that it's closet allies will pass on benefits that India won't have, your problem is more falling behind your peers as you spend the next decade to achieve what should have been done 20 years ago



This is mean reversion, and it's a lowering average

Now it's just merely security absent indigenous capabilities.

Rival = across different metrics not just security.

Pakistan is no. 1 threat to India as far as security is concerned and 90% Indians will agree - there was a recent PEW survey and its true for both countries (consider each other no 1 threat). I don't think that's gonna change in near future so yes Operation Sindoor, is still on, and IWT is in abeyance...

And I don't compute your mean reversion point - you can't have equality in every aspect of offense or defense but you can have credible deterrence. Vis a vis China, India should focus on deterrence which I think is realistic and status quo. Also, China can't even take Taiwan, forget about taking territory in India

 

[Beijingwalker]

Also, China can't even take Taiwan, forget about taking territory in India

Capability to do something is different from willing to do something, Hong kong and Taiwan both play siginificant role in mainland China's economic development, anyone who is not a fool can see why China didn't use force on Hong kong and Taiwan.

 

[r3alist]

Pakistan is no. 1 threat to India as far as security is concerned and 90% Indians will agree - there was a recent PEW survey and its true for both countries (consider each other no 1 threat).

You have made my point here very nicely.

How is it that the national belief of Pakistan as a threat can simultaneously hold true with the idea that Pakistan is not rated.

Your actual biggest threat is China, and that is not questioned by all global strategic observations and opinions, however you state yourself Pakistan is promoted as the threat.


So this is epistemic collapse of India, where do you begin.

And I don't compute your mean reversion point

Slowly we are seeing a catch up between self perception and reality, this is reverting to the mean

 

[Beijingwalker]

Only fools want a piece of war ravaged wasteland back

With more than 70 % of Taiwan's outward investment flowing to China, the island is the PRC's major source of foreign investments (apart from Hong Kong).

Why does so much FDI from Hong Kong and Taiwan go to Mainland China?
https://www.researchgate.net/public...rom_Hong_Kong_and_Taiwan_go_to_Mainland_China

 

[samsite84]

You have made my point here very nicely.

How is it that the national belief of Pakistan as a threat can simultaneously hold true with the idea that Pakistan is not rated.

Your actual biggest threat is China, and that is not questioned by all global strategic observations and opinions, however you state yourself Pakistan is promoted as the threat.


So this is epistemic collapse of India, where do you begin.





Slowly we are seeing a catch up between self perception and reality, this is reverting to the mean

I know India is not a security state and certainly hope Pakistan doesn't think of it as one - though PA holding the reins of power might say otherwise and perhaps that is why your sole focus is security.

I have already mentioned that Pakistan is no 1 threat to India and hence rated on security. But being a rival to India on world stage - not even in the same ballpark. This is my perspective backed by data ie its base on the huge difference between population, size (land), economy, forex etc. of the two countries. Here are few things to ponder on:
1) How many patients from India travel to Pakistan for critical care and how many Pakistanis come to India?
2) What is GDP per capita (cumulative GDP we all know the story)?
3) More than GDP think about goods as a basket - I will point to automobiles - the price of car and bike in India vs. Pakistan
4) What are the inflows from tourism (per capita or size)

I can go on and on. In all these metrics and more Pakistan is far behind and so not a rival for us. On security - its no 1. You might see it differently, I see it like above (and most Indians do)

And on the mean reversion point - if you think insulting someone's IQ is gonna make your point, go ahead. In real world, its worth as much as Pakistani rupee (not very much)

 

[r3alist]

I know India is not a security state and certainly hope Pakistan doesn't think of it as one - though PA holding the reins of power might say otherwise and perhaps that is why your sole focus is security.

I have already mentioned that Pakistan is no 1 threat to India and hence rated on security. But being a rival to India on world stage - not even in the same ballpark. This is my perspective backed by data ie its base on the huge difference between population, size (land), economy, forex etc. of the two countries. Here are few things to ponder on:
1) How many patients from India travel to Pakistan for critical care and how many Pakistanis come to India?
2) What is GDP per capita (cumulative GDP we all know the story)?
3) More than GDP think about goods as a basket - I will point to automobiles - the price of car and bike in India vs. Pakistan
4) What are the inflows from tourism (per capita or size)

I can go on and on. In all these metrics and more Pakistan is far behind and so not a rival for us. On security - its no 1. You might see it differently, I see it like above (and most Indians do)

And on the mean reversion point - if you think insulting someone's IQ is gonna make your point, go ahead. In real world, its worth as much as Pakistani rupee (not very much)

Indias existence is defined by Pakistan these days, the opposite is much less true.




How about this for data points

Zero indigenous engine

Zero indigenous fighter jets

Zero regional allies


Where is this engineering capability in the important stuff?






I could go on, but staying on topic

India may already be hovering around it's maximum ability, this is on the available data, I can refresh my view if given info, but you are strategically castrated based on your lack of capabilities but significant size, your size requires you to simply be better and deliver

and if you had the actual talent and brains you would have indigenous capabilities already.

The GDP, that one source of pride always getting revised down .... some of those dollars will make their way back to the west anyway, big military expenditure. stuff the turkey then eat the turkey.