I'm all for free speech - but why does our state allow explicit pro-terrorist propaganda via universities/journalists/activists??

[Peregrine]

cant really compare a rebellion inside your own country to america's experiences as an expeditionary force

America annihiliated the confederacy

or if you want an example closer to home

india crushed the kashmiris

True.

But in the end you have to give them something back, even after crushing them. Genocide (Native Americans) is the only other option, and nothing to be proud of.

 

[Awwad]

Truth be told I don't want to derail this discussion but I am on the fence here. I have been a huge critic of establishment for years and people used to accuse me of being hidden Indian.

But I somewhat support the establishment in recent events because I do think Imran Khan simply wouldn't take any advice and was damaging very critical areas like security and diplomacy with some gulf states, he also wouldn't acknowledge the huge threat from Afghanistan. He was good in other domestic areas and some economic decisions.

At the same time I don't support the heavy hand used to suppress the people because it backfires and makes people resent everything and feel neglected. But I still think that BLA/TTP are entirely different issues dating back decades with more complex origins.

Your DP says all. I mean if there's one individual who has destroyed the country beyond repair that's in your DP. Guy used force to impose his psycho mentality and destroyed a country. There was never such hatred between armed forces & the nation which Asim munir has created. Torturing & abduction patriotic citizens of Pakistan, destroyed their businesses, made 1000s jobless because of that, Media crackdown / censorship, judiciary destroyed, even judges are coming in front and saying Asim Munir's goons abduct their children & relatives, cameras in their bedrooms, Such guy who stooped at such low which was unheard of. Went against his wife, forcefully gave verdicts on most pathetic case on his nikkah. Did forgery on signs of president's alvi (commander of forces) signatures for law ammendments, above all STOLE the entire mandate of the nation. There can't be a bigger enemy of the nation who stole their entire mandate. There's no forgiveness on the list of massive crimes that this guy has done. He's a curse on the nation and on the army itself. He is so insecure that he even made his own corp commander go home as 'early retirement'. He made several judges do that. Anyone who has anything for Pakistan can see this monster is destroying the country. That's not how you are supposed to run country. He is insecure, looking to save his own skin. He can save himself by turning the country into further more of a banana repulic with his own people installed everywhere, he can do that by kicking out merit and imposing his psycho mentality by force. You need only common sense to evaluate that this guy is nation's biggest traitor in the likes of General Yahya. You really have to hate Pakistan to like such a guy. Its unbelievable that any Pakistani can really do that or any well wisher of Pakistani.

As far as your hillarious claims on IK's becoming 'dangerous' for security of whatever. Pakistan was many times more secure in IK's tenure, nation had faith in armed forces, there was respect of armed forces in the hearts of people, it was a functional society, there were ZERO drone attacks, we were rebuilding our lost respect among league of nations, but again his govt was kicked out by treacherous regime change operation on foreign behest. We showed to the world that we have ZERO value and can even attack our own govts on your orders. As far as security concerned, IK has proved that he was right all along. What he said 20 years ago was absolutely correct. He was saying there's peace in Pakistan, Do not participate in US war. Its not in Pakistan's interest. These people will turn against state. Don't do it. Musharraf didnt listen and we lost 80,000 people to war on terror. Terrorism in Pakistan is for 20 years and IK became PM only in 2018 and his era was the least effected era and still some nonsense people have audacity to blame IK on security. Please sort out your mental issues, you guys with criminal mindset are the reason country is at this point now with zero hopes and zero future and lawlessness / banana state with no rights of people.

 

[RescueRanger]

The truth is all these elite oppression Olympic warriors literally cower inside their homes and scream Pak fauj zindabad the moment they realise terrorism is a real issue and the blasts enter their locality.

I remember how these liberals became the most vicious racists against Pashtuns at one point during war on terror

I remember during lal masjid - I was part of the rescue operation lifting the bodies of the police and soldiers and civilians - let me tell you these same self righteous idiots were crying “army humay bachaey”. lol I’m not even kidding and after all the hard work these same snakes were the first to write columns condemning the handling of the incident by security forces.

Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

My annoyance with journalists and so called intellectuals began after the overt criticism of the heavy handed anti terrorism crackdown in the early 00’s.

These bleeding hearts underestimated the threat of mohajir basti in H11 - a breeding ground for terrorists.

Just like Pishin, Khrotabad and Kach.

Now threats are emerging in DI Khan and Tank from Marwart, Gandapur and Afridis who have sided with talibastrds because they feel abandoned by the political process.


Perhaps they should use their intellect and write about issues that matter, but alas where is the money in that, right?

 

[Areesh]

Pakistan is a perfect basket case for rest of the world when it comes to what not to do in fighting terrorism

 

[MapleKing]

Beware of NGO crowd. They are nothing but fronts for foreign intelligence.

 

[nibba]

True.

But in the end you have to give them something back, even after crushing them. Genocide (Native Americans) is the only other option, and nothing to be proud of.

I think going into a fight with the mindset that "I will compromise on something" doesn't lead to good results.

That may be how it ends up but I think you should always aim for and express publicly the desire for total victory.

She wanted Pak gov uses more peacefull approach to reach solution. Just take lesson of Indonesia, Aceh separatist movement was also regarded as terrorist before, they even bombed Indonesia stock Exchange (Jakarta Stock Exchage is the previous name) in early 2000 (something that BLA hasnt done in Pakistan yet) but now they rule Aceh provinces from the political party they made

Learn Irlandia history as well so you will not have such narrow minded mind.

All due respect, but south asian insurgencies/nonstate actors are on another level.

 

[Indos]

All due respect, but south asian insurgencies/nonstate actors are on another level.

Due to Pakistan gun culture. I think this culture should be eliminated to make safer Pakistan.

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

 

[krash]

Look at individuals like Nida Kirmani (and other social media activists/journalists/"human rights" orgs) her open praise for terrorist groups, justification for the slaughter of innocents - she has access to universities and coming generations to corrupt their minds to hate themselves and their own country.

I am all for free speech, but this type of obviously harmful activity should not be tolerated. Watching on as you are destabilised due to some principle trying to prove a point is just cringe manic behaviour.

I literally saw a teacher in Islamabad calling TTP as oppressed and saying she taught this to her students. One of her argument was that TTP operations were to rob local people's homes LOL

Solution:

- Pass laws criminalising spreading propaganda in favour of outlawed terrorist groups.

- Ban international 'human rights' bodies from operating who are politically motivated.

- Strict surveillance on these wannabe Journalists/activists

@Panzerkiel @RescueRanger @Signalian @Falcon26 @_NOBODY_ @Waterboy @prothought

If we propose any form of censorship against speech and/or expression then we do not understand what freedom of speech entails and why it is the corner stone of any civilized and progressive society. Censorship is a draconian method of oppression guised as righteous and necessary. In reality it is a tool for the emotionally immature and insecure to quash dissenting ideas. Freedom of speech and expression is sacrosanct, unless it directly proposes violence and/or harassment. She has done neither, at least not in the tweets you have posted.

 

[arjunk]

She wanted Pak gov uses more peacefull approach to reach solution. Just take lesson of Indonesia, Aceh separatist movement was also regarded as terrorist before, they even bombed Indonesia stock Exchange (Jakarta Stock Exchage is the previous name) in early 2000 (something that BLA hasnt done in Pakistan yet) but now they rule Aceh provinces from the political party they made

Learn Irlandia history as well so you will not have such narrow minded mind.

BLA is as Baloch as ISIS is Muslim.

BLA already attacked Pakistan Stock Exchange in Karachi

BLA has no sincere concerns about the development of Balochistan. BLA goes around blowing up development projects, kidnapping and murdering labourers working on them. Or BLA massacres entire families of minorities living in Balochistan.

 

[Samlee]

Due to Pakistan gun culture. I think this culture should be eliminated to make safer Pakistan.

No We Actually Need To Expand Gun Culture If We Are To Protect Ourselves

 

[arjunk]

Pakistan is a perfect basket case for rest of the world when it comes to what not to do in fighting terrorism

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"Liberals" of Islamabad-Lahore belt aren't even "liberal," they are just wannabe westerners with no concrete ideology or morals.

I don't think any liberal in their right senses would support the systematic murder of a group of people just for their ethnicity/race.

 

[arjunk]

Due to Pakistan gun culture. I think this culture should be eliminated to make safer Pakistan.

Gun culture has been here since late 80s, but BLA-TTP attacks skyrocketed recently due to Afghan-Indian Support (+American indifference).

Even if you castrate every law abiding Pakistani citizen, the stream of weapons and night vision from Afghanistan will continue.

Pakistani civilians being armed acts as a deterrent to terrorists. They think twice before daring to rob, extort or kidnap anyone.

In fact during early days of WoT, civilian militias played a pivotal role in chasing the Taliban out of their villages.

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

If we propose any form of censorship against speech and/or expression then we do not understand what freedom of speech entails and why it is the corner stone of any civilized and progressive society. Censorship is a draconian method of oppression guised as righteous and necessary. In reality it is a tool for the emotionally immature and insecure to quash dissenting ideas. Freedom of speech and expression is sacrosanct, unless it directly proposes violence and/or harassment. She has done neither, at least not in the tweets you have posted.

don't care

 

[arjunk]

No We Actually Need To Expand Gun Culture If We Are To Protect Ourselves

These Terries are running around with $12,000 night vision scopes... If only I could hunt em down myself and get my hands on one of those...