Imran Khan ordered his party to end all negotiations with the establishment

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

1971 was swept away under carpet

 

[maverick]

I don’t know why but I sense a secret deal between PTI and establishment is now in place.

PTI regaining grounds by every passing day and despite the fact many High/Supreme Court judgements are coming against them. They are overall gaining grounds quickly.

Until last year 90 out of 100% PTI leaders were behind bar or in hiding… now if they are arrested, they are released overnight. Now only 20% their leaders are facing charges. They were not allowed to hold rally but now the establishment allowed a grand “jalsa” in writing…

Overall we are heading towards normalisation

Moron ! did u forget form 45, PTI already had mandate, and momentum, when u have momentum of people, and peacefully want to resolve issues u think they have no momentum ??

Time to let go of peacefully dealing with corrupt jarnails and its mafias and use people power to send them to gallows

 

[Mr X]

did u forget form 45, PTI already had mandate, and momentum, when u have momentum of people, and peacefully want to resolve issues u think they have no momentum ??

Time to let go of peacefully dealing with corrupt jarnails and its mafias and use people power to send them to gallows

Didn’t forget anything but it’s slowly improving. The form 45 government is desperate to make sure there is no peace between PTI and Army

 

[SaadH]

IK is not a revolutionary, he will not be able to lead the public to their freedom and liberate them from centuries of servitude. He may have shown the people what their potential is but won't be able to lead the charge. He should have burnt his boats the day he was ousted from power, especially when the public came out to support him in all parts of Pakistan, he missed his chance then and a few more times since.

In this part of the world there is a saying as illustrated by one of it's great leaders, "fool me once, you can't get fooled again", somehow IK has been fooled time and again since 2021.

 

[SaadH]

Hired blue wardi wale , Kitne hain ?

SALARY worker hain majboor hain , kidnap kerte hain , majboori main
Daku bhi choori karta hai , Khane ke liye

• 20?
• 40?
• 70?
• 100?
• 150?
• Need more guys with face mask on ??Hiding their faces
• Ok 1,000 hain !!! ok

That is it ???!!


Tumhari Taqat ka Display is coming to end
Social Media per Lanat par rahi hai

Inqilab ki Call ho , Pura Pakistan Araha hai
MARCH TOWARD ATACK !!! AND Islamabad

Aj Sune Jao , to Yad rakna

Student are coming for you
Farmer are coming for you
The Poor are coming for you
The Pakhtoon are coming for you
The Punjabi are coming for you
The Sindhi are coming for you
The Karachi wale are coming you
The Kashmiri are coming for you
The Balochi are coming for you
The Poor are coming for you

Gharoor Ko Nicha dekhai gi Pakistani Qoum

Khush fehmi ki inteha...

No one is coming...

 

[SaadH]

You can't negotiate with Pakhay Ke Dakoo, they need the Gaddafi treatment.

The General Dakoo's have already looted the Country dry most of them
have a minimum 10 million dollars in their banks, property overseas and their
children are already out of the Country. When the sh!t hits the fan they will run
away.

Meek Pakistani janta hasn't opposed any of their tormentors in the last 2500 years. Those Libyan berbers are of a different breed...

 

[PakCan]

Good, full throttle to the neck of these traitor generals. Their desperation was at full display when they attacked parliament building and arrested MNA’s. It ended up having opposite effects and PTI and awam went into full blown attack.

Generals just cornered themselves and with Khan calling everyone to be at sept 22nd? Jalsa end of these traitors is near. InshAllah

Look at Balochistan and with KP boiling as well, these bast@@ds are acting like rabid dogs who have no idea what to do.

 

[HAIDER]

 

[FuturePAF]

These things usually work like a Hive mind, have enough people on the streets and more will come automatically due to safety in numbers. All PTI has to do is to get to that magic figure. Though, that magic figure changes based on the state and the culture.

3.5% of the population is the MINIMUM number, per experts on mass movements, to create a strong enough core group, that regular people would feel safe enough to join. In Pakistan’s case that would mean about 7 million nationwide, or at least 7 Lakh in a city like Lahore, committed to coming out, to galvanize the masses of Lahore to join them.

Btw, many people can't understand why regular people support IK.

IK a member of the elite himself, except that he has lead a movement with relatively modest goals at first, which has been transformed into a mass movement to express regular people’s discontent with the status quo. A status quo that benefits the oligarchs and elites with their carve outs, leaving peanuts for the poor and even the middle class. A nation hollowed out, and run like a circus.

The establishment themselves don’t understand what is fully happening to the country, and what they have done at the behest of oligarchs that will indeed flee the country when the consequences come due.

A pragmatic option would be to be magnanimous in this stalemate, let IK return as the President (a 5 year permanent position, that will inspire hope, but not require day to day management of affairs as done by the PM) and let PTI form a government with 2/3 majority that can carry out carefully calibrated economic, Social (de-radicalization and de-polarization), land and judicial reforms, made at the advise of experts.

While the establishment looks like they hold all the cards, and PTI only has chaos as its option (as the host of the “Pakistan Experience” YouTube channel claims), it is actually similar to an 80s Polish situation, where the people are just not cooperating with the status quo, and under the weight of its own debts, the country will collapse in on itself, unless it accepts reality, the way Poland did with Lech Walesa and Solidarity.

Besides, Will the elite want to live in a country where they and their children too will just muddle along, looking over there shoulders for angry peasants, like the Karachi SUV situation or the lady in Lahore where a dress with Arabic calligraphy, for a situation where it can go sideways quickly?

 

[mythbuster]

I don’t know why but I sense a secret deal between PTI and establishment is now in place.

PTI regaining grounds by every passing day and despite the fact many High/Supreme Court judgements are coming against them. They are overall gaining grounds quickly.

Until last year 90 out of 100% PTI leaders were behind bar or in hiding… now if they are arrested, they are released overnight. Now only 20% of their leaders are facing charges. They were not allowed to hold rally but now the establishment allowed a grand “jalsa” in writing…

Overall we are heading towards normalisation

You are not the only one who has such premonitions ..... rumors are IK will morph into Gandhi/Mandela type character , other party members will be at the helm of running day to day affairs of the country if PTI comes into power ...

 

[FuturePAF]

You are not the only one who has such premonitions ..... rumors are IK will morph into Gandhi/Mandela type character , other party members will be at the helm of running day to day affairs of the country if PTI comes into power ...

IK is a big vision person, he was literally the captain, we saw how he ran the country when he was PM. IMHO, he is better suited to be President, and perhaps his deputy should be PM, but with minsters that make decisions based on a panel of experts for each department. No more off the cuff comments or policies.

What he needs under him are very very capable people. That follow a vision IK, as the democratically elected (Feb. 8th by proxy) leader the people want, lays out in general terms, find a way to accomplish, and then ask for him to give his approval for.

Regardless of if IK, wants to negotiate or not, or the establishment wants to negotiate or not, the country can’t function without the cooperation of the People (most of whom have entrusted their voice to IK) and the establishment (who basically speaks for the oligarchs/status quo). A new social contract is needed to end the impasse in a productive manner. Few more years like this and 97% of the budget will just being going to just debt repayments, per one financial expert on Pakistan’s debts.

The current PML-N government wants to raise 40% more taxes this year over last year’s targets, and expects to attract $60 billion in remittances. It’s the only way their economics will make sense, and they wonder why people find ways to avoid paying taxes, stay out of the tax net, and generally live their lives in spite of the these albatrosses tied around the public’s necks.

Give the people, real services, good governance, for their taxes. Build a Qoum through equitable development and honest justice throughout the country.

Plain and simple, Pakistan looks like. Circus with the tent poles sagging.

It’s time to get serious, and accept the aspirations of the people and a need to run the country like a serious country.

 

[Cipher212]

IK is a big vision person, he was literally the captain, we saw how he ran the country when he was PM. IMHO, he is better suited to be President, and perhaps his deputy should be PM, but with minsters that make decisions based on a panel of experts for each department. No more off the cuff comments or policies.

What he needs under him are very very capable people. That follow a vision IK, as the democratically elected (Feb. 8th by proxy) leader the people want, lays out in general terms, find a way to accomplish, and then ask for him to give his approval for.

Regardless of if IK, wants to negotiate or not, or the establishment wants to negotiate or not, the country can’t function without the cooperation of the People (most of whom have entrusted their voice to IK) and the establishment (who basically speaks for the oligarchs/status quo). A new social contract is needed to end the impasse in a productive manner. Few more years like this and 97% of the budget will just being going to just debt repayments, per one financial expert on Pakistan’s debts.

The current PML-N government wants to raise 40% more taxes this year over last year’s targets, and expects to attract $60 billion in remittances. It’s the only way their economics will make sense, and they wonder why people find ways to avoid paying taxes, stay out of the tax net, and generally live their lives in spite of the these albatrosses tied around the public’s necks.

Give the people, real services, good governance, for their taxes. Build a Qoum through equitable development and honest justice throughout the country.

Plain and simple, Pakistan looks like. Circus with the tent poles sagging.

It’s time to get serious, and accept the aspirations of the people and a need to run the country like a serious country.

There aren't enough capable and honest (yet electable) people to pull this off. In any political party or the establishment itself. Not happening.

We don't even have student unions. All our leaders are from a select cadre of elite businessmen and landowners. Those guys aways have ulterior motives when coming to power.

 

[S.Y.A]

There aren't enough capable and honest (yet electable) people to pull this off. In any political party or the establishment itself. Not happening.

We don't even have student unions. All our leaders are from a select cadre of elite businessmen and landowners. Those guys aways have ulterior motives when coming to power.

this is the only thing that matters. spot on analysis.

 

[alphapak]

The population of Islamabad and Rawalpindi is
3 million, if 10% came out then it will be time to run
for Pakhay ke dakoo.

 

[beingfiler2000]

Is the army doing any type of negotiations with IK?