Imran Khan Thinks it is Pakistan that is Making Afghanistan its Enemy and not Vice Versa

[OakTree23]

brah wes in a situation no? this ain't about sindhi/ punjabi/ pashto/ balochi........

our gubment don't know how to govern and they're on foreign bhatta.

Dis da crux.

And for our citizens to say;

Assad must go,

Qazzaffi must go,

Saddam must go,

Humraandd must go......

extremely cringe behavior.

Totally unacceptable.

The most incompetent organization in the history of the world - Pakistan army. Their failures is a long running list. Even the war ravaged people of Afghanistan have balls and honor to take a stance against outside nefarious influence ie Saudi UAE etc. I’d say give the country to the Pasthuns to rule since the Indic already had a chance and ruined the country. If we can get secular ANP to rule the country, then that will be a good start.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Oh bhai when was the last time public mandate was not stolen ?

So what? You want us to just take the injustice? Aint gonna happen.

you think IK win a fair election ? no, he was brought in by the same Establishment

Exactly what I've been sayin in the thread earlier if you had bothered to read. As long as Armed Forces dont stay within their roles, the fire wouldn't extinguish.

also have you looked at Sindh ? Karachi ? let me be more specific, Urdu speaking whom your kind call Muhajirs, do you want me to give you a history lesson? from Beatings in Mehran University to 1992 Operations, from kidnapping & torturing students to extra judicial killings and fake encounters, there are many to this day who doubt the loyalty of Urdu speaking people, say things like " Jo India ke nahi hue, woh Pakistan ke kia hon gay " etc, I myself heard that BS from people, and when i had enough I realize these Jahil uncivilized Pashtoons/Baloch/ backward Sindhi's calling me to go back to India and doubt my loyalty so fuq them, but how many Urdu speaking youth despite all of that become suicide bombers ? But in fact you have the most educated class today are made up of Urdu speaking people, yes we have MQM's type as well but even in their worse times I would not compare MQM to BLA/TTP which are predominately Pashtoon and Baloch.

Man I wasn't alive in 1992 or Id have spoken up just like I am speaking right now. I care about what is happening in the present. Pakistan is rapidly moving towards balkanization as a patriot its unacceptable for me.

accept the Govt rit in your Area,

What Govt writ? Outsourcing it to Sardars? FATA was being ruled by the draconian laws of British era not that long ago. Stop equating your Karachi with KPK and Balochistan. Its not even remotely same.

the reason Baloch and Pashtoon suffer is because of their own ego, and ana.. humari riwayat, humari this and this, cut that BS dude... hathyaar humara zeewar,

If we didn't had weapons we would be getting slaughtered by the Afghans or the TTP. You need to realize alot of fighting against terrorists and Afghans has been done by tribal militias. Ap log sirf baaton ki had tk ho. Dont humor me.

Pakistan army first enter Tribal areas in 2000's, let that sink in that a huge Part of country where our own soldiers cant go.

Lmao who tf told u that? They had training camps and staging points all over the tribal areas since the Afghan war times. When shit hit the fan to excuses bna liye. Govt never established its writ and always saw and treated Balochistan and FATA as outliers.

Have you ever even been to these places?

 

[Lulldapull]

The most incompetent organization in the history of the world - Pakistan army. Their failures is a long running list. Even the war ravaged people of Afghanistan have balls and honor to take a stance against outside nefarious influence ie Saudi UAE etc. I’d say give the country to the Pasthuns to rule since the Indic already had a chance and ruined the country. If we can get secular ANP to rule the country, then that will be a good start.

We don't got da money no?........this is what happens when yous neo-colonized bhai.....

Remember the Iraqi PM Abdul Mahdi's comment when he told the Iraqi parliament that when he asked the US forces to leave Iraq, he got a phone call from Trump ka ulla threatening him with assassination.

And he was threatened that your $500 billion in our Bank of America will be forfeited if you ask us to leave.

Neo-colonialism is an issue and this same problem affects us in our country. They got the power to dismantle us overnight. There is no questioning this.

Aur idher do rupaay k dalit converts say k Iran is a chutiya to oppose this system.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Question is during his tenure, how many suicide bombings did Afghan did and how bad was the relationship with Afghanistan.

Someone needs to understand this, dont be eating establishment dung !

Ghulam ibne Ghulam nahi samjhay gay.

 

[PakAl]

One point people need to understand is TTP and BLA attacks continued even during Nato occupation of Afghanistan? Nato did not secure the border? Finish off anti Pakistan militants. Back then we blamed Afghan government, Afghan intelligence agency and RAW, now we're blaming Taliban and RAW but why not pointing fingers at the Usa/Saudia/UAE. Today Pakistan is working with the same Usa, to break up the Taliban government in Afghanistan, to make IEA fight against TTP, this will lead to civil war in Afghanistan and ttp will also join ISIS against the Taliban. Again who is funding and training ISIS, Taliban has banned ISIS, their literature and their salafi wahabi ideology, but Pakistan is not doing the same.

The Taliban believes Pakistan is usa puppet as proven from history. I disagreed with Imran Khan on many issues, even pointed out his mistakes but he is correct on improving relations with the Taliban, make them in to an ally and sidelined the ttp, same with Afghans who are Pashtuns, these people have families on both side of the borders, same as the Balochs. If we had a strong national narrative and stopped the double games we would have 10,000s of pashtun tribal fighters on our sides, this will give us a strong hand to dismantle the ttp and its ideology.
When the trouble makers are isolated, through covert operations we can also finish them off.

 

[PakAl]

The most incompetent organization in the history of the world - Pakistan army. Their failures is a long running list. Even the war ravaged people of Afghanistan have balls and honor to take a stance against outside nefarious influence ie Saudi UAE etc. I’d say give the country to the Pasthuns to rule since the Indic already had a chance and ruined the country. If we can get secular ANP to rule the country, then that will be a good start.

Taliban and Saudia had a big kick off, Saudia even banned Talighi Jamaat in saudia Arabia and their molvis called it the gate of terrorism. Then when Taliban came back to power, Saudia wanted to control them but their leader refused, he calls himself Amir ul Muhmineen so is noone puppet. With the rise of ISIS, and funding and training given to it by you know who. Taliban retaliated by banning wahabism, it's literature and ISIS, they declared Afghanistan as a Hanafi fiqh following nation but also gave rights to Shia minorities. Pakistan for 20 years has not been able to build up a national narrative against extremism and terrorism, they know exactly what is happening but are scared to do anything about it. Taliban did this within a few years.

Pakistan has a perfect opportunity to work with Afghan Taliban, help them finish off ISIS, in return Afghanistan will not host BLA or TTP. Taliban as alleged is close to Russia and Iran, we should speak to them but it will not happen because we are in CIA camp.

 

[Taimoor]

He is always like that

70000 more Pakistanis can die but his position on Taliban and Afghanistan would remain the same

It doesn't get to him or his supporters like the ones in this thread that may be, just may be he can wrong on something as well

We can see sorts of deflections to give a turn and twist to his nonsensical BS of a statement

I hope you are old enough to remember as to who started all this BS just after 9/11 in Pakistan. Those 70k you mentioned, who put Pakistan in this fire ? These GHQ rats had the same mentality back then , and nothing has changed.

You have already given up on Kashmir, you have looked the other way from your mortal enemy India even though India still take you as enemy. These faujeets need justification for their bloated size and hold on power in Pakistan. They need Afghanistan as an enemy for their own survival.

Been warning about WOT 2.0 for sometime now. Thousands more die yet idiots will still blame IK!

 

[SteppeWolff]

I hope you are old enough to remember as to who started all this BS just after 9/11 in Pakistan. Those 70k you mentioned, who put Pakistan in this fire ? These GHQ rats had the same mentality back then , and nothing has changed.

You have already given up on Kashmir, you have looked the other way from your mortal enemy India even though India still take you as enemy. These faujeets need justification for their bloated size and hold on power in Pakistan. They need Afghanistan as an enemy for their own survival.

Been warning about WOT 2.0 for sometime now. Thousands more die yet idiots will still blame IK!

Funny thing is during IK's tenure the terrorism was minimal. Pakistanis have such short memories.

"Jahil Baloch, Janwar Pashtun", they keep insulting two main ethnic groups 24/7 and get shocked at the blowback. Bhai nikal ao from these petty feuds, Pakistan has been hijacked by the GerLUNS of GHQ. Until we dont break those shackles, Afghans will come and beat us, Indians will do the same. No one will show us mercy.

 

[Lulldapull]

Taliban and Saudia had a big kick off, Saudia even banned Talighi Jamaat in saudia Arabia and their molvis called it the gate of terrorism. Then when Taliban came back to power, Saudia wanted to control them but their leader refused, he calls himself Amir ul Muhmineen so is noone puppet. With the rise of ISIS, and funding and training given to it by you know who. Taliban retaliated by banning wahabism, it's literature and ISIS, they declared Afghanistan as a Hanafi fiqh following nation but also gave rights to Shia minorities. Pakistan for 20 years has not been able to build up a national narrative against extremism and terrorism, they know exactly what is happening but are scared to do anything about it. Taliban did this within a few years.

Pakistan has a perfect opportunity to work with Afghan Taliban, help them finish off ISIS, in return Afghanistan will not host BLA or TTP. Taliban as alleged is close to Russia and Iran, we should speak to them but it will not happen because we are in CIA camp.

yaar our whole punjab border facing India has long been turned christy X-Tian......nobody realizes that this has already happened.

Jinne vi choorray thay all fully converted now.

Same thing happening in E Punjab now utthay jahil lower caste punjabis converting in droves!

25% E Punjab Christy X-Tian already.......tussi kar lo jo ab karna hae....lol

@AjayGhatak @Sharma Ji @vsdoc @indushek @Bagheera0084 @Paitoo @Guru Dutt @SoulSpokesman @Joe Shearer

We don't know nor care whats happening. Whole punjab under the gun, not just ours.

 

[Taimoor]

Funny thing is during IK's tenure the terrorism was minimal. Pakistanis have such short memories.

That's actually infuriating that people despite know this fact keep on honking non sense about IK. His tenure felt like a sigh of relief after long hard slog of that non sensensical WOT.

 

[That_Guy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is his only black mark.

He treats the Afghan taliban as if theyre victims instead of being belligerent, and that's his biggest issue.

Everything else, I agree with him on.

You know what, I supported this cartoon when he become PM, and was kicked out... and I still don't like the Establishment role in Pakistan's politics, but this cartoon is now pissing me off... F this Stupid, and because of people/leaders like him we in Pakistan failed to counter terrorism, because nation remain divided over who is the enemy, It is as clear as day now that Afghans are the Enemies, and before someone jump and say Indians are using Afghans, yeah Hindu Indians telling Afghan Islamists to kill Pakistani Muslims and they are doing it, okay?!
I am done supporting this idiot...

Calm down.

Don't be a single issue voter, it's buffoonery. His is not the only political party in Pakistan that is guilty of this, PMLN literally negotiated with the ttp to spare punjab. Ppp literally allowed the ttp to impose an Emirates in the tribal areas in a peace deal, and Pakistan almost lost rhe capital because of it.

Chill out.

 

[Bilal]

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Obviously daily deaths in KPK are not enough for Pakistan to make Afghanistan enemy. Only if Pakistan would do something in reaction then that would make Afghanistan an enemy for Pakistan

You know what’s really funny. Jinko 3 saal se musalat kia hai, election ka mazak kerke, unse bola ja raha hai yeh dehshatgardi governance ki weakness ki wajha se hai.

 

[Starlord]

Calm down.

Don't be a single issue voter, it's buffoonery. His is not the only political party in Pakistan that is guilty of this, PMLN literally negotiated with the ttp to spare punjab. Ppp literally allowed the ttp to impose an Emirates in the tribal areas in a peace deal, and Pakistan almost lost rhe capital because of it.

Chill out.

This one issue has costs us 100,000k dead, billions of dollars in economic loss, Pakistan image is destroyed for decades to come, Pakistani passport has no auqaat, people treat rest of us like shit in rest of the world, we have seen more suicide bombs than any other country including Afghanistan, we have become joke because of this issue.
And what logic is this? pppp wasn't doing any peace talks without Army's approval, Army wanted the peace talks so they can get some time to prepare for the upcoming operations, and also create a spy network that was necessary, this was from one of the Tariq Khan's interview.
IK has always been nuts about the false bravado of Taliban, and his sense of superiority, and idolizing them as some warrior of Allah, I always had issues with his stance, I understand the the importance of peace talks, but no amount of peace talks will change the fact that Afghans hate Pakistan down to their every bone, and they have no religious reasons but purely racial/ethnic reasons for this hate, so no I am done with this idiot for licking the boots of Taliban while they are killing our people every other day.

 

[SteppeWolff]

So you think Suicide attacks in Masajid, random Markets and beheading soldiers is justified because the mandate is stolen?

Common people of Balochistan and KPK dont that. Stop equating terrorism with them. Terrorists come from the western side of border which Army and FC mans. Jinka kaam hay wo kr nai rahay aur ap USA may reh kar humay gyaan de rahay ho?

civilized People protest, no turn their areas into no go areas for govt, and hang headless bodies in chowks.

Civilised protests? What happened the last time? Forgot about the firing squads at D chowk? And the subsequent profiling of Pashtuns all over Pakistan?

So bhai kia kerna hai ? Pure mulk mai bas innocent logo ko marna hai ? alag Pushtunistan banana hai ? yah Pakistan ko Torna hai ? every country has people who are not happy with their govt, last election majority of Trump supporters thinks election was stolen, I don't see any Republicans doing suicide attacks or giving shelter to Terrorists ? bas chutiyape ke excuses to justify violence and terrorism, no wonder Pakistan is shitty situation.

If Pashtuns wanted to make Pashtunistan; kisi ka baap bhi nai rok sakta tha but Pashtuns are patriots to the core and have given tens of thousands of lives, became IDPs for the botched military ops. Stop insulting an entire ethnic group. You have a problem with the profiling of Muhajirs but you are doing the same with Pashtuns and Baloch? Hypocrisy at its peak.

Fata was ruled by Barbaric Tribal system, govt let those idiots run their affairs like they for centuries in KPK and ex-fata, and guess what they did, give shelter to every Terrorists in the whole world, not just that but give them their daughters in marriage, and when Govt wants to crack down on them, these people killed their own soldiers for foreign Arab,Tajiz,uzbek Terrorists, matlab akhroat pane ki bhi koi limit nai.

Establishment itself allowed FATA to become a staging point for worldwide terrorists to operate inside Afghanistan during Afghan War, Taliban takeover and later the American invasion. Tribal Lashkars from Bajaur to South Waziristan have fought TTP and their affiliated groups. Ap may himmat hay itni?

That's actually infuriating that people despite know this fact keep on honking non sense about IK. His tenure felt like a sigh of relief after long hard slog of that non sensensical WOT.

@Starlord Did all Baloch and Pashtuns leave Pakistan during IK's tenure kay terrorism incidents took a massive nosedive?

Instead of blaming common folk, blame those jinka kaam border ko control krna, terrorism ko tackle krna aur internal security ko maintain krna hay. I can call Muhajirs dogs too seeing Karachi's situation but I wont resort to name calling. I hope you extend me the same courtesy.

 

[That_Guy]

This one issue has costs us 100,000k dead, billions of dollars in economic loss, Pakistan image is destroyed for decades to come, Pakistani passport has no auqaat, people treat rest of us like shit in rest of the world, we have seen more suicide bombs than any other country including Afghanistan, we have become joke because of this issue.
And what logic is this? pppp wasn't doing any peace talks without Army's approval, Army wanted the peace talks so they can get some time to prepare for the upcoming operations, and also create a spy network that was necessary, this was from one of the Tariq Khan's interview.
IK has always been nuts about the false bravado of Taliban, and his sense of superiority, and idolizing them as some warrior of Allah, I always had issues with his stance, I understand the the importance of peace talks, but no amount of peace talks will change the fact that Afghans hate Pakistan down to their every bone, and they have no religious reasons but purely racial/ethnic reasons for this hate, so no I am done with this idiot for licking the boots of Taliban while they are killing our people every other day.

It isn't this issue alone that cost us all that.

Its incompetent rulers that have done so.

Keep in mind, IK has only been in power for a few years at most. None of these losses occurred under hi.

Again, you're blaming the wrong person over all.