India and China reach agreement on border patrolling along LAC

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Badi badi powers (India and China) ke beech aise chote chote jhagde ho jate hai......
 
China and India should've resolved this border dispute a long time ago. China was always ready to settle it with Aksai Chin to China and Arunachal to India, but India's leaders were never serious about it and wanted to leverage the border dispute to win points with the West.
 
tower9 said:
China and India should've resolved this border dispute a long time ago. China was always ready to settle it with Aksai Chin to China and Arunachal to India, but India's leaders were never serious about it and wanted to leverage the border dispute to win points with the West.
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Nope. China wanted to put pressure on India by keeping the dispute ongoing.
 
agidest said:
Nope. China wanted to put pressure on India by keeping the dispute ongoing.
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@tower9

China government wants a BALANCED border treaty.

China government can make necessary concession near the east LAC in exchange for some land near west LAC. China government has the authority and power to do that regardless western power interference on media or economic pressure.

While India government knew exactly the same that concession is needed if a BALANCED treaty to be made. Can any India government do that?

You can't. So dude, don't say we want to put pressure on India.

India government is incapable to conclude the transaction with China and Pakistan. Any concession near the LAC will result in the fall of India government.

That's the fact. The big difference is:

  1. China government can represent all Chinese to sign a BALANCED treaty.
  2. India government can't make the call. India government are not on the negotiation table in the first place.

The 77 years DRAMA of the India-Pakistan border dispute around the Kashmir region, tell everyone that India government is incapable of making any grand deal.
 
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Vi-va said:
China government can make necessary concession near the east LAC in exchange for some land near west LAC. China government has the authority and power to do that regardless western power interference on media or economic pressure.
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Western power interference on media is an independent thing. Indian emissaries have not gone around from door to door asking editors to report matters the way India would like it projected.

That is the trouble with living in a controlled society, where every aspect of public life, every sentiment, every media trend is dictated from above, and a watch has to be kept on the unofficial and self-created and directed exchanges of views outside the official record.

As for economic pressure, the figures speak for themselves; that is an extremely shallow argument, brought up merely to lend weight to the rest.

Vi-va said:
While India government knew exactly the same that concession is needed if a BALANCED treaty to be made. Can any India government do that?
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In India, we have shopkeepers and small companies who raise the sticker prices on their goods and then announce massive discounts. That seems to be the most likely interpretation of your government's approach - to grab land and put in military formations where they never existed, and then ask that to be treated as the new balance from which negotiations should begin.

Why bring the balance where there was no Chinese presence, even token presence, before 1950? Why not take it back to Qing Hai and to Gansu? And Sichuan, coming to balance. All these are non-Han locations that have been forcibly occupied over the last two assertive dynasties, and that are now presented to the world as traditional homes of the great Chinese civilisation. That would be a balance that would be nice to see, and when your population numbers shrink to where they will be in fifty years time, maybe new wisdom will dawn on your leadership in Beijing.

All according to the Mandala paradigm, not to worry.

Vi-va said:
You can't. So dude, don't say we want to put pressure on India.
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Thousands of miles from China proper, misappropriation of land owing loyalty to the Dzungarians, who were targets of one of the most horrid genocides in history, but hey, no pressure.

Vi-va said:
That's the fact. The big difference is:

  1. China government can represent all Chinese to sign a BALANCED treaty.
  2. India government can't make the call. India government are not on the negotiation table in the first place.
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More self-serving twists and turns.

What was the Chinese government doing until 1962? Sleeping? Or merely pushing in more and more force to create a fait accompli?

Does the Chinese government represent all Chinese? Quite possibly.

Does it represent the people of Tibet, who never wanted direct control, the injection of outsiders, and the systematic demolition of their culture and legacy?

If we all stand on our heads, maybe.

When people talk about the India government not being at the negotiation table in the first place, they omit to mention that in a miniature scale, the India government has had to be at the negotiation table for two futile years, while one corrupt Chinese field commander after another has taken his place on the other side, and mechanically mumbled whatever was last articulated by his predecessor. Only when the US falters and fails, and suddenly there is an opportunity for some more balance, this time a balance in Taipei, is there suddenly sweet reason and a willingness to listen and to put forth whatever had been suggested two years ago.

How phoney can this get?

Vi-va said:
The 77 years DRAMA of the India-Pakistan border dispute around the Kashmir region, tell everyone that India government is incapable of making any grand deal.
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The Indian government does not want to make a grand deal. Kashmir is not somebody's personal real-estate for it to be a bargaining counter in a grand deal. We were given independence after a 90 year struggle with strict terms and conditions. One beneficiary accepted it, the other did not.

There is no case, and no space, for grand deals.
 
Joe Shearer said:
Why bring the balance where there was no Chinese presence, even token presence, before 1950? Why not take it back to Qing Hai and to Gansu? And Sichuan, coming to balance. All these are non-Han locations that have been forcibly occupied over the last two assertive dynasties, and that are now presented to the world as traditional homes of the great Chinese civilisation. That would be a balance that would be nice to see, and when your population numbers shrink to where they will be in fifty years time, maybe new wisdom will dawn on your leadership in Beijing.
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lol by that logic, 'India' shouldn't even be one country today, instead it should be reverted back to the dozens of kingdoms before British colonization, or even the different kingdoms before the Mughals' rule.

The Northeast region certainly doesn't have much in common with the rest of India at all, and it's been forcibly occupied by 'India' even today, and you wonder why there are so many insurgencies, typical example of an occupied people fighting for their freedom.

While we're at it, the Europeans should leave the American continent, Australia and New Zealand and return the land to the natives, as Western China has been part of Chinese dynasties long before the Europeans colonized those places.
 
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