India Blocks Turkey’s BRICS Bid Over Pakistan Ties

for once a TWese speaking like a true CNese(y)

Taiwanese are true Chinese. The difference between Chinese vs Taiwanese is similar to the difference between North and South Koreans. It’s a political difference, not an ethnic difference.
 
@Nilgiri @Joe Shearer Can you please give Mr Hussain some time to cool off from this thread? The guy is working too hard to derail the discussion here by posting flames and irrelevant things.

Hit report button if a post breaks forum rules in sections outside our purview.

I have already told you to not tag me for "bans, please infract so and so reee!" so do not ever tag me again in this fashion.

Indian INT mods only have authority over Ind Def and South Asia sections....and its best you just report posts there too or just wait for mods to get to it themselves, rather than tag us.

I have zero interest in reading/participation in clickbait threads that attract filth and swine spam that are total waste of time.
 
If you are being honest, you very much know that you cannot keep Pakistan perpetually excluded from an initiative like this, it's against the spirit and purpose of the organisation and also can you expect China to not want to include an important investment and ally?
India has a veto. If China wants Pakistan in BRICS, it will have to negotiate with India. Lets see what they bring to the table. My feeling is that they don't want Pakistan in BRICS enough to bring something substantial to the table.

The spirit and purpose of the organization is to have a financial alternative to the west. Financially, Pakistan currently has poor value. To become important to BRICS, Pakistan will have to set its financials in order first. We will address the issue when that happens. Till then there is no need to waste energies on hypothetical situations.
 

Why Turkey’s joining BRICS should be welcomed​


It came as no surprise when Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan showed interest in joining the BRICS at the Johannesburg Summit recently on 27 July, where he was invited by the South African President Ramaphosa. BRICS would become BRICST if Turkey is allowed into the grouping. :coffee:

Loosely interpreted as a grouping comprising Emerging Market Economies that are trying to seek an alternative to the current international economic order, the BRICS represent some of the most populous and economically important countries of the global South. It now comprises Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. There are no rules of entry to the BRICS. Turkey is a large middle income country, a member of NATO, an Islamic nation and currently bearing a grouse against the EU and the US. It has challenged in the past the hegemony of the western countries in the world economic order and their dominance and control over the international financial institutions, the IMF and the World Bank. It has also challenged the supremacy of the dollar in the world financial system.


The BRICS summit in Johannesburg marked a decade of its existence. Even though nothing dramatic seems to be happening in BRICS summit meetings except reiteration of their pledges made in the past, they are an important marker of the challenges that the five are throwing at the workings of the current global order year after year. Throughout the year, about 100 meetings related to the BRICS are held in the country hosting the summit. There are leaders’ meetings and ministerial meetings along with their relevant working groups on diverse subjects from economy to climate change and culture. The meetings stress on democracy and pursue equality of voting rights in their working. Compared to the US dominated G7, BRICS functioning mechanism is more equal.

The rising protectionism in the western countries is hurting many of the BRICS members directly and indirectly. Thus it is not surprising that the BRICS members resolved to adapt the global order for a more Asia centric world at the Johannesburg meeting. Turkey obviously shares the BRICS declaration projecting stability and predictability of a rule based order threatened by US President Trump. China’s predicament is the worst in Trump’s recent moves towards his protectionist stance because its manufacturing capacity is the largest in the world in steel, machinery, chemicals, high-speed rail and aerospace. Its exports to the US ($505.6 billion last year) will be curtailed but so also its imports ($130.4 billion) comprising mainly of agricultural products. The BRICS members can benefit from the increase in imports from them instead of the US in the future. Brazil has benefited from China’s increase in imports of soyabeans and frozen pork after US imposed high tariffs on Chinese goods.


The members of the BRICS in Johannesburg also recommitted support for multilateralism and called upon all member countries of WTO to abide by its rules. They emphasised the central role of the UN in international affairs. They called upon all countries to fully implement the Paris Agreement. The grouping has tried hard again to reduce mutual ignorance among the member countries and has tried to increase and strengthen intra BRICS ties because even though all have strong economic ties with China, there are fewer ties among each other. Overcoming intra-BRICS obstacles of various kinds, especially in tourism, was also discussed in Johannesburg.

An important area where the BRICS members have pledged to cooperate is the Fourth Industrial Revolution. Challenges will emerge in the future in all BRICS members in the area of robotics, AI, block chains, nanotechnology, quantum computing and biotechnology, 3D printing, the Internet of Things and driverless vehicles. China has taken the global lead in many of these areas and collaborative research will be beneficial for all the members. Russia too has abundant expertise in military industry, higher education in science and technology and has excellent research institutions.

Turkey hopes to gain from the technology cooperation with the BRICS in the future. It has been trying to get a missile defence system with potential Chinese and Russian suppliers and also a third nuclear plant with Chinese technology. The Turkish economy is going through a rough patch currently because its exports are not doing well due to the instabilities in its neighborhood and contraction in demand for its products globally, especially after the failed coup attempt in July 2016. Its imports, especially from the BRICS members, have been rising and its current account deficit with them is the highest — mainly with China. A big support for Turkey’s membership to the BRICS has come from China. Turkey can hope to increase exports to BRICS members after joining the grouping. It can also access infrastructural development loans from the AIIB and the NDB, the two newly established BRICS banks.


The group has been viewed as not being cohesive because India and China have had geopolitical confrontation along the borders in the recent past but it has now been overtaken by the declaration of mutual interests, strategic cooperation and collaboration in the last two BRICS summits.

On the whole, the dynamism displayed by BRICS members in the economic front cannot be denied. Russia was facing economic hardships in the past due to the steep fall in oil and gas prices, but it is on the path of recovery and growing at around 1.4 percent. The fundamentals of the BRICS are strong and stable, even though they are all facing domestic problems and challenges. They are all unique in being resource rich and have enormous potential for development.

The BRICS economic growth rate in 2016 was at 5 percent, higher than developing countries by 0.9 percent and higher than developed countries by 3.3 percentage points. They account for more than 30 percent of the global economy in overall size and their contribution to global growth reached 60 percent, far surpassing that of G7 economies. While the G7 is 40 years old, the BRICS is only a decade old. It will expand in the future and become stronger and have a voice in global governance and the international financial system. Turkey will add to its becoming more diverse, and due to its strategic location, an important addition.


Taiwanese are true Chinese. The difference between Chinese vs Taiwanese is similar to the difference between North and South Koreans. It’s a political difference, not an ethnic difference.

i would say, " the Chinese are bit superior to Taiwanese."
 
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China and Russia will be so happy to see Turkiye in BRICS



Turkiye is among the most important countries of the Modern Silk Road project (from China to London)

Turkiye play a key role in the Modern Silk Road with its recently attracting mega investments like Marmaray, Yavuz Sultan Selim Bridge, Eurasia Tunnel, Çanakkale 1915 Bridge, 3rd Airport. The Edirne-Kars High-Speed Railway line, which is carried out together with the Chinese, is one of the important steps taken within the scope of the project


Strategic Baku-Tbilisi-Kars Railway Project ( 838 km )

The BTK Railway was the missing link of the much-heralded middle corridor of the New Silk Road, which is a multimodal trade route that goes from China to Europe via Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Turkey ........ opened 30 October 2017

( goods will be able to reach Europe heading from China and India within 15 days ....... considerably less time than a journey by sea )
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Middle corridor of the New Silk Road, which is a multimodal trade route that goes from China to Europe via Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Turkiye
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-- Turkiye hosts the largest Boron reverves in the World
-- Turkiye hosts the one of largest rare earth elements in the world
-- Turkiye hosts one of the largest Thorium reserves in the World which can provide 1.000 years electric energy for BRICS Countries

Thorium is future of nuclear power energy
and Thorium is more stronger , cleaner and safer than Uranium

-- Also Turkiye is a G-20 Country with $1,3 trillion Economy
-- Also Turkiye is an Industrialized Country like BRICS members China , India , Brazil

-- Also Turkiye control Black Sea and Eastern Mediterranean Sea In maritime transportation and trade

-- Also If Turkiye joins BRICS then Turkiye will be 3rd strongest Country in Defense Industry after Russia and China



Turkiye wouldn't be interested in joining BRICS if it was an EU member state

Germany and France will understand how stupid they are when they lose Turkiye to BRICS
 
India has a veto. If China wants Pakistan in BRICS, it will have to negotiate with India. Lets see what they bring to the table. My feeling is that they don't want Pakistan in BRICS enough to bring something substantial to the table.

The spirit and purpose of the organization is to have a financial alternative to the west. Financially, Pakistan currently has poor value. To become important to BRICS, Pakistan will have to set its financials in order first. We will address the issue when that happens. Till then there is no need to waste energies on hypothetical situations.

It's obviously completely unsurprising that notionally keeping Pakistan out provides a better motivation in taking brics seriously than looking at what's in the room at that time, for India, with Pakistan not in the room😂

The mental gymnastics on display, we have heard everything on this thread, it's not even substantive in action yet

So maybe for good reason Pakistan is not in the room in this forum

You will have to find better reasons aside your neighbour to explain any potential dithering
 
You will have to find better reasons aside your neighbour to explain any potential dithering
I made a few statements

1. India has veto on who to allow in
2. The spirit and purpose of the organization is to have a financial alternative to the west
3. Financially, Pakistan currently has poor value.

Which of these do you not agree with.
 
I made a few statements

1. India has veto on who to allow in
2. The spirit and purpose of the organization is to have a financial alternative to the west
3. Financially, Pakistan currently has poor value.

Which of these do you not agree with.

Your second point makes no sense, your third point is the same

the spirit, a concept I don't think you understand, is a regional cooperation approach, an acceptance of different cultures, identities and religions working in harmony and an acknowledgement that the global South must cooperate with one another to find more equitable outcomes not available in the current system

The financial alternative is a tangible outcome, not the spirit.

This is what xi says

"We must work together to build BRICS into a primary channel for strengthening solidarity and cooperation among Global South nations and a vanguard for advancing global governance reform"

Pakistan is not in the room you wedg-e-tuble 😂

So India has to deal and respond to this forum without invoking Pakistan
 
At around the time of brics we have seen India and China find a better equation with another

Armenia and Azerbaijan are able to talk in brics.

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Your second point makes no sense, your third point is the same

the spirit, a concept I don't think you understand, is a regional cooperation approach, an acceptance of different cultures, identities and religions working in harmony and an acknowledgement that the global South must cooperate with one another to find more equitable outcomes not available in the current system

The financial alternative is a tangible outcome, not the spirit.
We deal in tangibles. The intangibles don't matter. Finding an alternative financial system is the only glue holding BRICS together. What has BRICS done till date to promote "an acceptance of different cultures, identities and religions" other than put it in speeches.
This is what xi says

"We must work together to build BRICS into a primary channel for strengthening solidarity and cooperation among Global South nations and a vanguard for advancing global governance reform"
The official declaration is at https://cdn.brics-russia2024.ru/upload/docs/Kazan_Declaration_FINAL.pdf?1729693488349783. We don't need to go thru the speeches of any of the leaders.
Pakistan is not in the room you wedg-e-tuble 😂
Of course Pakistan is not in the room. I am only responding to your comment

"If you are being honest, you very much know that you cannot keep Pakistan perpetually excluded from an initiative like this"
 
We deal in tangibles. The intangibles don't matter. Finding an alternative financial system is the only glue holding BRICS together. What has BRICS done till date to promote "an acceptance of different cultures, identities and religions" other than put it in speeches.

The official declaration is at https://cdn.brics-russia2024.ru/upload/docs/Kazan_Declaration_FINAL.pdf?1729693488349783. We don't need to go thru the speeches of any of the leaders.

Of course Pakistan is not in the room. I am only responding to your comment

"If you are being honest, you very much know that you cannot keep Pakistan perpetually excluded from an initiative like this"
He is so defensive about bringing Pakistan into conversation despite the fact that his reasoning gets overshadowed by Pakistsniyat.

He alone has filled 1/3rd pages and not letting this debunked false news thread die.
 
Taiwanese are true Chinese. The difference between Chinese vs Taiwanese is similar to the difference between North and South Koreans. It’s a political difference, not an ethnic difference.
Maybe true. WE overseas cnese pray for our motherland to be united and strong. We are targeted when PRC is weak. TW NEVER has the muscle. Those Singpariahs are an exception....white wannabe, fkucing annoying when 2 SG cnese🐶 barking in EN...to show their slave status
 
Pakistan 24/7 attention seeking behaviour using fake news is a amusement for members of not just BRICS nations but to the whole world. They all are laughing behind close doors even China & Turkey. The obsession & cringe behaviour of seeking 24/7 validation from India , Trying to be in the limelight, trying hard to be relevant has affected whole population from top to bottom.
 
We deal in tangibles. The intangibles don't matter. Finding an alternative financial system is the only glue holding BRICS together. What has BRICS done till date to promote "an acceptance of different cultures, identities and religions" other than put it in speeches.

The official declaration is at https://cdn.brics-russia2024.ru/upload/docs/Kazan_Declaration_FINAL.pdf?1729693488349783. We don't need to go thru the speeches of any of the leaders.

Of course Pakistan is not in the room. I am only responding to your comment

"If you are being honest, you very much know that you cannot keep Pakistan perpetually excluded from an initiative like this"


If you deal in tangibles why did you explain the "spirit" then 😂

For a founding member you seem to dislike brics


The way you describe it as at odds with how china and Russia describe the scope of brics, you have reduced it's vision and scope in your own words

Repeatedly, you make your own arguments for me on why India diverges with brics

The point on acceptance of values, cultures and religion is glaringly obvious..... You go to a western forum you get put on the spot about your lack of adherence to the liberal global order, which you moan about plenty. In BRICS you will not,
obviously not, that's your acceptance my friend, the lack of a judging liberal order overlord

Which I genuinely think India would be amenable to, and Indians would recognise this

I just made a mere comment that you cannot insist on having as a condition keeping Pakistan out in perpetuity every forum, BRICS or others, especially in regional cooperation.

In perpetuity, as I said.

Other than that, I don't see why Pakistan should be invoked, they are not present, I have said this enough time's.

Indians should feel no need to, but here we are, nothing has changed. 🫤
 

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