India Has Lost Air Superiority to Pakistan, No Jets Left to Fight

[Vikramaditya1]

Kashmir is disputed territory. Nice try though!

And? Shells there has the ability to avoid Kashmiris?

 

[Master Chief]

And? Shells there has the ability to avoid Kashmiris?

That's irrelevant to my point. You stated

"Women and Children die in India too, even in Kashmir, "

I corrected the contextual error in this statement.

The rest of your nonsense speaks very capably for itself.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Well this is even better. You are offering us terms that were not even on the table to begin with. Does Modi know of this offer being made by his official spokesperson on his behalf?

You were made aware of the plan when our jets bombed you though. At night, I hear we took out some major figures. Maybe Modi was lying. Who knows.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

That's irrelevant to my point. You stated

"Women and Children die in India too, even in Kashmir, "

I corrected the contextual error in this statement.

The rest of your nonsense speaks very capably for itself.

Ah! I was lost, yeah as long as they get Indian passport they are Indians so I gotta give them the equal citizen treatment. But sure whatever you call them.

 

[Master Chief]

Ah! I was lost, yeah as long as they get Indian passport they are Indians so I gotta give them the equal citizen treatment. But sure whatever you call them.

We can discuss in an appropriate thread this "equal citizen treatment" business.

As long as you understood my point.

The same applies in several other threads I have visited that are populated by Indian members who erroneously add "Kashmir" into, say, some otherwise wonderful pictorial journey through Indian wildlife or railway lines. These accuracy errors based on false subjectivity warrant immediate correction on a Pakistani forum especially. Hope mods take note next time I raise such matters!

 

[Defender]

the power of balance shifted in 2025 conflict .when Pakistan shot down multiple jets of India and established air superiority over loc , as they has already study s400 which china bought years back it was already compromised .when the conflict began so they neutralized s400 batteries and 3 forward c2c of India and on paper Pakistan military said it troops number is 700000 but fc corp and rangers are military level trained it a combine troops of 1.5 million .Pakistan mobilization 1.5 million troops at the same time china build a heavy military build up on lac and scramble china Air Force and was about to enter the battlefield too. you never move this much steel for diplomacy ,it was the operation reality .USA ,turkey ,Saudi pressure Pakistan to pull back even tho it has upper hand and momentum ,USA even offer f16 update package for Pakistan to accept ceasefire as China was on the verge of entering the battlefield


News lie media lie and Pakistan ispr severely down play it but event don’t lie here is what happened after India kick the hornet nest how other three countries behave

USA: refuse to call QARD meeting even after India request it multiple time . USA logic is simple if India cant protect himself from Pakistan he has no change against China. So that counter china plan go out the window

Saudi: make smad treaty with Pakistan

Turkey make makka defense pack with Pakistan with attack on one and attack on all and go rouge on nato

Now spoiler alert : ispr is not a new analysts or media reporter. He give surgical narrative and keep his vibe in check he is trained to do it.
Two clues who is coming next in defense pack.
1. He remove the name of Muslim from defense pack
2 .he said all three countries has good and strong relationships with China

Now don’t take a genius to guess who is joining the defense pack and who is the coming 4th member

 

[Blain2]

Bangladesh or Siachen are a couple of examples of definitive victories - not saying there will be geographical changes. The "fog" of war is such that only rarely do we get undisputed outcomes and I would like the next round to have a definitive outcome.

Now, I don't want a war between India and Pakistan, but if push comes to shove, I want GOI and IA/IAF/IN to shove back so hard that there is no dispute of the outcomes - and as a bonus save us all the time we've spent on this forum debating

Will it be territorial change - probably not as other than Kashmir most of it is IB.

I am ok with you not wanting war. We don't either, no sane person should ever ask/want that. It is quite easy for us to sit here talk tough while someone else has to make the ultimate sacrifice.

That aside, I would dispute the assertion that India will "shove back so hard that there is no dispute of the outcomes". Aside from East Pakistan with a beleaguered garrison, when has India in the past 70+ years been able to "absolutely" dominate Pakistan? Never, because the capabilities on the two sides have been enhanced relative to each other.

Second, before India crosses any significant red lines, we have our doctrine established to pre-empt such outcomes and specially those that would lead to a significant destruction of military forces and loss of territory. These have been talked about by those much closer to Pakistan's security planning so I would be redundant trying to spell them out.

My sincere, and also unfortunately unimportant, hope is that both India and Pakistan realize the folly of war. Looking at what has gone on in the recent past in Russia-Ukraine and also the ME, one can only imagine the mass-scale destruction and utter carnage a full-scale war will bring. Perhaps the respective governments will realize that as loathed to the idea of talking they may be, it is still a 1000x better than trying to settle things on the battlefield.

 

[TAC]

1.0 wasn't invasion plan either. It was a bombing plan

Yeah, and they even managed to cock that up so don’t worry about ‘invasion plan’ unless it’s gonna be confined to Bollywood.

 

[Master Chief]

You were made aware of the plan when our jets bombed you though. At night, I hear we took out some major figures. Maybe Modi was lying. Who knows.

In fact, on at least 8 occasions, we were fully aware of the IAF personnel plan to test their ejector control levers during Op Sindoor 1.0, and we duly obliged to assist in this regard.

By the way, what does the still fully employed and not in any way reprimanded for his shocking performances, ACM AP Singh even mean by needing to "adapt to win wars"? Was last year's performance not so amazing that a simple rinse and repeat is required?

 

[Defender]

And Pakistan go easy on India he did not even use it real power here is one system.

When Pakistan tested ababen missle. it as classified ai in it .since it was I.8 meter wide a fix target of 2700km was use to hide it range. Remember USA icbm is 1.6 meter wide so dimensions don’t lie ababeen missle is icbm from day 1 . it follow unpredictable path ,deployed all war head at the same time and they also follow unpredictable path that is when tusi said Pakistan is developing missile to BY PASS HOME LAND DEFENSE USA know Pakistan has no intention to strike USA he was terrified technology coming out two week after Pakistan launch satellite using same solid fuel two stage if the objective was to put satellite in orbit liquid is gold standard as easily controlled, can be throttled and reliable using solid fuel was for one purpose only to test speed it reach mash 20 and with sensor inside to to test material can handle plasma heat which it did and place satellite with pin point accuracy .it now three stage global icbm with mash 20 speed and plasma sheet and unpredictable path making USA thaad and gmd system relic of past so what it make it ai mirv or mrav the reality it both it a hybrid. Do you have any idea what if Pakistan use this againt India it not the pay load it bring but the kinetic energy it brings on impact at mash 20 which will transfer in to physical destruction of technical nuke and level India city to ground

Think its a lie let’s see now country behave now

2001:
USA to Pakistan either you are with us or against us and bomb to stone age

Today: Pakistan is not a inch will be given to USA in Iran war
USA : my favorite field marshal and leaders ( you know now it homeland to homeland)

2003: Saddam said I am selling oil not in dollar but in other currencies
USA: this guy has WMD invaded Iraq and hang him .no WMD found

Today: Saudi I am not selling oil in dollars but start selling oil in euro yeun and other currencies and gcc follow
Usa: I am cool with that don’t have any problem ( you know because said has treaty with Pakistan and same homeland to homeland)

Iran war: block Iran port to collapse Iran even Iraq closes and sealed it boader. Pakistan open 6 transit of goods with Iran to keep state flowing and Iran don’t collapse. USA completely silent and back off

So I ask if USA back off in what world do you think India has any change against Pakistan none what so ever

Operation sindoor 2 to 100 will happen in Bollywood India won’t touch Pakistan in next 50 years modi just want to win election and make fool of India people to get votes

 

[PK781]

I am ok with you not wanting war. We don't either, no sane person should ever ask/want that. It is quite easy for us to sit here talk tough while someone else has to make the ultimate sacrifice.

That aside, I would dispute the assertion that India will "shove back so hard that there is no dispute of the outcomes". Aside from East Pakistan with a beleaguered garrison, when has India in the past 70+ years been able to "absolutely" dominate Pakistan? Never, because the capabilities on the two sides have been enhanced relative to each other.

Second, before India crosses any significant red lines, we have our doctrine established to pre-empt such outcomes and specially those that would lead to a significant destruction of military forces and loss of territory. These have been talked about by those much closer to Pakistan's security planning so I would be redundant trying to spell them out.

My sincere, and also unfortunately unimportant, hope is that both India and Pakistan realize the folly of war. Looking at what has gone on in the recent past in Russia-Ukraine and also the ME, one can only imagine the mass-scale destruction and utter carnage a full-scale war will bring. Perhaps the respective governments will realize that as loathed to the idea of talking they may be, it is still a 1000x better than trying to settle things on the battlefield.

agree with what you said, however, i would not pin any hopes on 'them' to mend their ways or change their thinking/approach.

Akhri Jung to Honi hee Hai, we all know it....whether we like it or not, lerni to paraygi aur sabaq sikhana parayga. No other way. Just a matter of WHEN.