‘India is Broken: A People Betrayed' author estimates India needs 200 million jobs

India’s poverty rate stands at 17%, while Pakistan’s is at 39.8%, based on the $3.20 poverty line. With India’s upcoming census next year, we can expect even more accurate data, likely showing a further reduction in poverty. In contrast, Pakistan’s poverty rate is expected to increase when new data is available.
 
India’s poverty rate stands at 17%, while Pakistan’s is at 39.8%, based on the $3.20 poverty line. With India’s upcoming census next year, we can expect even more accurate data, likely showing a further reduction in poverty. In contrast, Pakistan’s poverty rate is expected to increase when new data is available.
Look at the thread title and look at your obsession to bring Pakistan into this. Why are you incapable to discuss the topic with launching Pakistan into it?
Last warning
 
@Pataliputra
I suggest you stop posting crap - you’re already in pink and an infraction will send you to the other side. Stop bringing your obsession and religion into this.
 
Do you want to discuss what an "analyst" on payroll ( literal payroll here) of PMLN has to say on Imran Khan or vice versa. ?
So basically you are in denial mode. Whole world can see it just not bhakts
 
1000 job vacancies without any takers? I don't believe it. Can you tell the address of that place? Here I am struggling without a job so much that I am willing to work for low salary. See my thread. Link below. Many, if not majority of the Indians must be in a position similar to mine. I hope what you said is not a misinformation for the sake of winning an internet argument.


@Paitoo @kmc_chacko @Sharma Ji

If you are serious then please feel free to visit in person to

Shimoga District Chamber of Commerce & Industry [SDCCI]
K.T. Shamaiah Road, Shivamogga - 577201

if you are serious then meet secretary of SDCCI in person he will contact me, please don't make unnecessary calls as we don't entertain such things.
 
In the film 'Shree 420' the character played by Raj Kapoor says he has travelled from Allahabad to Bombay in search of ‘dhandha’. In the film 'Satya' too a character asks, “Kuchh kaam milega?"

Jobs have long been a central preoccupation of Indians and are central to India’s economy, argues Prof Ashoka Mody, senior economist at Princeton University and author of the acclaimed book India Is Broken: A People Betrayed — Independence to Today (2022).

India needs some 200 million jobs, he estimates and points out that in 2019, some 12.5 million Indians had applied for 35,000 jobs in the Railways. Three years down the line, in 2022, the Railways had still not been able to deliver the jobs, he noted in a recent presentation to media outlet The AIDEM. The talk can be accessed here:

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India does not invest in human capital and treat its people well — that is the stark diagnosis made by Mody for the paucity of jobs. India’s manufacturing exports in 1948 was higher than Japan, he demonstrates, but in 2022–23 it has fallen behind not only Japan, but also Vietnam and Korea.

Prof Mody is of course not the only economist who has expressed alarm at India’s jobless growth. Between 2014 and 2021, youth unemployment rose from 21.2 per cent to 28.3 per cent, a 33 per cent rise in 7 years — an all-time high.

There are no official data on unemployment since 2011. And a 2019 survey which indicated that India had lost 45 million jobs was ‘rejected’ by the Central government as faulty. Post-pandemic, the situation is believed to have worsened.

While India’s GDP growth has been driven by booms in the low-end, high-technology areas like IT-enabled services, finance, construction and real estate, agriculture remains distressed and the share of manufacturing, which generates jobs, is declining even in an industrialised state like Tamil Nadu.

A key reason for India’s failure to add jobs, Prof Mody points out, is because of its poor record in investing in mass education and human capital. While the numbers have grown, he emphasises, there has been a decline in learning and teaching standards. The required ‘industrial literacy’ and discipline that education imparts has been missing, he explains.

India dropped out of the PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) in 2012, after faring poorly in the test. The PISA data, however, show that in reading, science and mathematics, school students from Vietnam have been outscoring students from other countries, including those in Europe.

Other surveys also indicate that an overwhelmingly large percentage of students in the 5th grade in India cannot read texts prescribed for the 2nd grade and do not know ‘division’.

There are two Indias, Prof Mody concedes, and refers to the burgeoning half revealed in the glamorous inauguration of the Nita Ambani Cultural Centre in Mumbai and in Adani stocks, which zoomed up on value after Narendra Modi became prime minister in 2014 and, ironically, after the pandemic.


The solution lies—besides ensuring better education, accessible and effective healthcare, and a functional judiciary—in ‘deepening democracy by devolving more economic and financial powers to local bodies, complemented by a strong civil society movement’, he says in his book.

For a large part of India and Indians, poverty and jobs remain the central concerns. On both counts, India has slipped in the last nine years.
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The outlook for densely populated large countries is challenging - India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Ethiopia. things are slightly better for Russia, Indonesia and Brazil of the world.

The problem with Indian job market is that there is no single job market. People are not going to migrate hundreds of miles for a low end employment opportunity. It does not help some sections of Indian society are downright lazy and have high paternalistic expectations of employers.
 
So nothing to say about the content? Not happy with the analysis? Logic kicks in - blame the author and the liberals. Dismiss it and go off tangent so we dont have to talk about it?
Jobs are a problem in every developing country, India is no exception. But saying "India is broken" is too far fetched.

Unemployment and low quality of human resources is an issue but given gigh GDP growth of India is going away slowly.
Still more poverty than Africa?

Let's just stick to the topic

Also

What's the average income😂
India has more poverty than africa? 🤡
So basically you are in denial mode. Whole world can see it just not bhakts
There isn't much to discuss about an opinion piece citing survey data anyways.
"Whole world can see it", what exactly?
 
Do unemployed Indians get a social grant from their government? Here in South Africa, unemployed people get a social grant. Single mothers get a payout for each child that they have. This resulted in some people becoming lazy and generally a burden to the State
 
1000 job vacancies without any takers? I don't believe it. Can you tell the address of that place? Here I am struggling without a job so much that I am willing to work for low salary. See my thread. Link below. Many, if not majority of the Indians must be in a position similar to mine. I hope what you said is not a misinformation for the sake of winning an internet argument.


@Paitoo @kmc_chacko @Sharma Ji
Unemployment is a complex subject. Certain Indians have made themselves incapable of finding employment through a series of circumstances and choices. Take the case of so called 'well to do' states like Gujarat, Punjab, Haryana. The people doing dunki from these states aren't exactly poor. Some of them pay Rs 40-50 lakhs to do this. The problem is one of the two:
  1. No skills relevant to the job market in India
  2. Unwillingness to do jobs that are looked down upon, because their family isn't exactly poor.
There is a shortage of construction labour in India. Will these people, or even you, engage in construction work, even if it pays well? Even before you try to answer that, I know it is not possible because you don't possess the skills for it.

So many Indians have been spoilt by their upbringing and by society as a whole. Punjabi and Haryanvi farmers have relied on Bihari migrant labour to toil on their fields. All dividends of green revolution are over. Land holdings are fragmented. Their lands cannot support a new generation. They never paid attention to studies. Just for namesake BA pass kar liya. Kya hota hai BA se? Ghanta.

There are jobs, but not the ones the unemployed folks need. They won't pay very well for the effort put in. They will be humiliating for you to show on LinkedIn. Will you do them?
 
@Bagheera0084 in my city, blue collar freelancers are thriving. They either get business from Urban Company kind of aggregators, or build their own small teams and work as electricians, plumbers, carpenters, masons, AC mechanic, cooks etc. I have used many such people at home and in my company. Guess how many of these people were from Haryana, Punjab, Gujarat or Kerala? Zero. How many come from Bimaru states? Almost all of them. These are not people who are living hand to mouth existence. These are people who probably end up taking 30-40K home per month through sheer hard work. They invested their time learning trades. They weren't drinking daaru, doing drugs and getting high on some assumed racial superiority in their stupid rap songs.

There is lot of work out there, just not the kind you are comfortable with.
 
Will these people, or even you, engage in construction work, even if it pays well? Even before you try to answer that, I know it is not possible because you don't possess the skills for it.
I am willing to do 'lowly' job like construction because my father is dead and I am single and hence there's no pressure on me to take only white collar job. People don't take lowly jobs because of family pressure. Pressure from either parents or wife/children forces people to take only white collar jobs. Otherwise people have no qualms about D-group type jobs.
 
The only similarity between India and China is the population size. However, India is a very low IQ country with an average IQ of 76 while China is a high IQ country with an average of 104, that is 28 points higher.

To become a doctor you need an IQ of 120. We can therefore assume that an IQ of 120 is needed for complex jobs, like being a scientist, engineer, senior computer position etc.

If we ask ChatGPT to do the complex calculation we find that China has 200 million people with an IQ of 120 or more while India has 2.4 million. That means that for 1 smart Indian there are 83 smart Chinese.

India will forever be stuck in a low tech, manual labor economy. It simply doesn’t have a large number of intelligent people to be a high tech economy.

You believe the data coming out of China.

There is no way the average IQ of Nepalis is 43
 
You believe the data coming out of China.

There is no way the average IQ of Nepalis is 43
Ironically, people initiating debate based on perceived superiority due to IQ differences is the surest sign of a low IQ moron

That particular debate has been shredded to death on this forum multiple times, still people cling to it
 
Ironically, people initiating debate based on perceived superiority due to IQ differences is the surest sign of a low IQ moron

That particular debate has been shredded to death on this forum multiple times, still people cling to it

On a side note I have spent time on IQ measurement of "gifted" kids. I felt it is more a biased art than a science. I felt they were on to something. I never could tell what was being measured
 
Just for namesake BA pass kar liya. Kya hota hai BA se? Ghanta.
We should close down a lot of BA colleges and open things like ITI instead. Then admission into BA will be difficult. People are doing arts because they don't want to do anything. Only people really interested in BA should be doing BA. Rest should not get admission.
 

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