India is incomplete without Pakistan: Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajapayee

[Blueishere]

Since when was poetry considered official statement, what is it you're trying to achieve by twisting his words, and building this narrative?

 

[Baibers_1260]

India is incomplete without ”Pakistan”—is commonly attributed to Atal Bihari Vajpayee. incomplete” meant emotionally and historically fractured, not geographically unfinished.

Could you challenge my translation of ABV's poem since you say "not geographically unfinished " ? I asked you this question earlier.



दिन दूर नहीं खंडित भारत को. : Din door nahin khandit Bharat Ko
पुन: अखंड बनाएँगे। pun akhand banayegen
गिलगित से गारो पर्वत तक. Gilgit se Garo parbat tak
आज़ादी पर्व मनाएँगे॥. Azaadi Parv manayenge
उस स्वर्ण दिवस के लिए आज से. Us swarn diwas ke liye aaj se
कमर कसें बलिदान करें। Kamar kasen, balidaan karen
जो पाया उसमें खो न जाएँ, Jo paaya usme kho na jayem
जो खोया उसका ध्यान करें. Jo khoya uska dhyan karein
____________________________________
Trans: The day is not far when fractured India will be reconstituted into the the Greater India,
From Gilgit to the Garo Mountain, we will celebrate the Freedom festival,
For that day of glory, from today, let us prepare, and sacrifice, Lets not be lost in what we have gained but focus our attention on what we lost

 

[Baibers_1260]

Since when was poetry considered official statement, what is it you're trying to achieve by twisting his words, and building this narrative?

It's not just poetry it was an official statement to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif by his counterpart Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee when he visited Lahore,
"India is incomplete without Pakistan "

 

[Baibers_1260]

What's wrong with it?

Was he saying India incomplete without Pakistan?

He said much more.
"Pakistanis will not live to see the next sunrise "

 

[Baibers_1260]

What's wrong with it?

Was he saying India incomplete without Pakistan?

Your current prime minister is not as polite as Atal Bihari Vajpayee.
No leader in the world, has ever talked like this. Not even Adolf Hitler.

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[Muji.Iqbal]

Your current prime minister is not as polite as Atal Bihari Vajpayee.
No leader in the world, has ever talked like this. Not even Adolf Hitler.

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This Modi guys is a big joke.

How can they get Pakistan? Hold a plebiscite in Pakistan and see if they want India. LOL!

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Could you challenge my translation of ABV's poem since you say "not geographically unfinished " ? I asked you this question earlier.



दिन दूर नहीं खंडित भारत को. : Din door nahin khandit Bharat Ko
पुन: अखंड बनाएँगे। pun akhand banayegen
गिलगित से गारो पर्वत तक. Gilgit se Garo parbat tak
आज़ादी पर्व मनाएँगे॥. Azaadi Parv manayenge
उस स्वर्ण दिवस के लिए आज से. Us swarn diwas ke liye aaj se
कमर कसें बलिदान करें। Kamar kasen, balidaan karen
जो पाया उसमें खो न जाएँ, Jo paaya usme kho na jayem
जो खोया उसका ध्यान करें. Jo khoya uska dhyan karein
____________________________________
Trans: The day is not far when fractured India will be reconstituted into the the Greater India,
From Gilgit to the Garo Mountain, we will celebrate the Freedom festival,
For that day of glory, from today, let us prepare, and sacrifice, Lets not be lost in what we have gained but focus our attention on what we lost

This poem only talks about an emotional wish for unity from the time before Partition. It focuses on shared history, culture, and national values. It does not support war, politics, or changing the borders of today’s countries.


दिन दूर नहीं खंडित भारत को. : Din door nahin khandit Bharat Ko
पुन: अखंड बनाएँगे। pun akhand banayegen
गिलगित से गारो पर्वत तक. Gilgit se Garo parbat tak
आज़ादी पर्व मनाएँगे॥. Azaadi Parv manayenge
Anyway i am hopeless that you will understand it! Anyway— It refers to history, not today’s political boundaries. It does not suggest taking over Pakistan or changing borders by force.
जो पाया उसमें खो न जाएँ, Jo paaya usme kho na jayem
जो खोया उसका ध्यान करें. Jo khoya uska dhyan karein
Do you understand the last two lines?

Poetry requires understanding; without it, judging the poem is meaningless.

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Written in 1947

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Your current prime minister is not as polite as Atal Bihari Vajpayee.
No leader in the world, has ever talked like this. Not even Adolf Hitler.

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Did he say that India is incomplete without Pakistan?

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

This poem only talks about an emotional wish for unity from the time before Partition. It focuses on shared history, culture, and national values. It does not support war, politics, or changing the borders of today’s countries.


दिन दूर नहीं खंडित भारत को. : Din door nahin khandit Bharat Ko
पुन: अखंड बनाएँगे। pun akhand banayegen
गिलगित से गारो पर्वत तक. Gilgit se Garo parbat tak
आज़ादी पर्व मनाएँगे॥. Azaadi Parv manayenge
Anyway i am hopeless that you will understand it! Anyway— It refers to history, not today’s political boundaries. It does not suggest taking over Pakistan or changing borders by force.
जो पाया उसमें खो न जाएँ, Jo paaya usme kho na jayem
जो खोया उसका ध्यान करें. Jo khoya uska dhyan karein
Do you understand the last two lines?

Poetry requires understanding; without it, judging the poem is meaningless.

Even your Modi wants Pakistani land as well. LOL!

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Even your Modi wants Pakistani land as well. LOL!

No, as I stated earlier, the thread has no factual basis for these claims.

For context, this is the original video in which Atal ji was referring to the poem. It was written in 1947, and its meaning must be understood in that historical context—very different from how it is being interpreted today.

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There is also no intent from Modi or the Indian government to take Pakistani land. It is a long-standing and well-known reality that Pakistan claims Indian-controlled parts of Kashmir and India claims Pakistan-controlled parts—this is not new and does not imply a desire to seize territory.

Yes, on both sides of the border, a small number of irresponsible individuals make exaggerated or false claims, but turning such fringe views into serious arguments is unnecessary and unproductive.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Did he say that India is incomplete without Pakistan?

Yes, he did, So does your Parliamentary Affairs Minister Pralhad Joshi who says the same thing in Telugu. Translate it please.

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[Baibers_1260]

Yes, on both sides of the border, a small number of irresponsible individuals make exaggerated or false claims, but turning such fringe views into serious arguments is unnecessary and unproductive

All the irresponsible individuals ( Zaid Hamid) are on our side of the border. All the responsible individuals are in India, including Pralhad Joshi, and Rajnath Singh, Both cabinet ministers.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Yes, he did, So does your Parliamentary Affairs Minister Pralhad Joshi who says the same thing in Telugu. Translate it please.

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Do you understand the difference between civilizational artwork and a political map?

and I am referring to only the map—as I already said, both sides have the foolish people; if they want, they can add anything, their own thoughts; no one is going to stop since there are no impacts or changes in national policy.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Did he say that India is incomplete without Pakistan?

He said much worse. He wants to massacre the people of Pakistan with "golis" ( bullets).

 

[SaadH]

Pakistan is closer to a century, before you know it.

The people who once had memories or associations probably going very quickly

For what reason would the rest of the Indians truly want Pakistan again.

The last 20 years of modi has validated Pakistan to even the most liberal of liberals.

That being said, you could never discount a blunder someone who sells out

Indian cultural, linguistic and soft power assault on Pakistan is as fresh and potent as ever...

Before we used to only watch their movies and idolized their actors, now we've even have even adopted their gutter vernacular and phraseology.