India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[TallGuy]

If you read what you wrote yourself, you simply implying that "dual use" weapons can only be used in nuclear domain. Which is farce. What is the purpose of them to be "dual use" to begin with?

What conditions would satisfy you to use babur against India in conventional role when its can be used in nuclear role? Think very carefully before you answer this.

2) Indian army was using their tactical cruise missile brahmos extensively, your point is?

what you are missing is when we have "duel use policy" that means minimum deterence is maintained, so limited numbers are produced to be used as nuclear strike option.

now again? what do you think how many Ballistic missiles & cruise missile we can afford to manufacture? how many Shaheen 1A and shaheen II Ballistic missiles in service? how many Ghaznavi Missile system in service and how many Babur GL-LACM is in service.

do you think under duel use policy we would have manufactured stockpile worth the conventional warfare.

you have to understand the situation with Pakistan, we do not have deep pockets. so we induct enough weapons to create a deterrence in nuclear exchange.

do you know PAF purchased total 60 CM400AKG. do you understand?

 

[Taimoor]

what you are missing is when we have "duel use policy" that means minimum deterence is maintained, so limited numbers are produced to be used as nuclear strike option.

now again? what do you think how many Ballistic missiles & cruise missile we can afford to manufacture? how many Shaheen 1A and shaheen II Ballistic missiles in service? how many Ghaznavi Missile system in service and how many Babur GL-LACM is in service.

do you think under duel use policy we would have manufactured stockpile worth the conventional warfare.

you have to understand the situation with Pakistan, we do not have deep pockets. so we induct enough weapons to create a deterrence in nuclear exchange.

do you know PAF purchased total 60 CM400AKG. do you understand?

Babur was never meant to be a nuclear strike weapon. Its a derivative of tomahawk which is primarily used in conventional capacity. To rely on babur to nuke Delhi or bombay flying at subsonic speeds that is a lunacy in itself when you have very potent BMs covering length and breath of India with assured delivery of the package.

Neither You , nor I or anyone on this forum is aware of actual number of Babur we posses. But what is not in dispute that they are in service since 2010. That's 15 years. And in those 15 years a lot has changed which make their use in conventional warfare more suitable then non conventional.

Both Babur and Brahmos resides on the same level at escalation ladder. If Indian army is firing its primary cruise missile at Pakistan and these retards in GHQ are firing back, with "rockets", you have to question the motives, not capabilities.

PAF was not showing any restraints when they were launching their PL15s and BREKs, their premiere heavy duty weapons. You mentioned CM400, well, it was bloody used isn't it? Not a single babur fired in anger!

As I said, you won't like this, but truth is that these retards in GHQ are simply not fit for the purpose for reasons known to everyone by now.

 

[baqai]

He still lacks the skills ....that Indian Air chief has.....after 93 days ...he came up with 06 PAF jets hit story ....super hit.....

took them 93 days because they could not figure out an item number for the movie

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

2nd point: does it sound right to you that two declared nuclear armed states should be exchanging missiles at each other?

The severe reaction from the DC toward Bharat shows the folks up there have found it extremely appalling. It has struck terror into their hearts.....

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Great storywriter you are. All the panic was on Indian side only which was striking your bases freely?

India attacked our bases so we attacked Indian bases (34 targets to be exact). But we were preparing to escalate it to the next level with nuclear weapons. When the US intelligence saw this, they panicked and they told India which also panicked

.... What does it indicate to you? If a guided rocket couldn’t cause any verifiable damage means only one thing. ...

What did Colonel Sofiya verify?

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[Pakistan Space Agency]

Pakistan was preparing in the middle of conflict? Were you not already prepared? Everyone knew weeks before that India was upto no good!

Preparing to launch nuclear weapons in response to India's conventional weapons attack.

... The fact remains, that while Indian Army was firing their tactical cruise missile at us, Pakistan army leadership was BSing and when push came to the shove, in response only fired battlefield "rockets". ...

So, Pakistan hitting 34 targets in India, using drones (400 according to Indians), fighter aircraft with CM-802, and guided rockets as well as cyber attacks on India's telecommunications and transport infrastructure is a small response to you when they fired only 9 cruise missiles on Pakistan?

On escalation ladder, the use of Brahmos and Babur are the same. Why are you confusing with the use of BMs which neither side used in this conflict?

I don't understand your obsession with Baburs?

But here is the thing, Pakistan was preparing to launch it's nuclear tipped cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and nuclear bombs attached to its F-16s, fully aware that the US intelligence was monitoring this massive build-up of Pakistani response.

It's not Pakistan's fault if the US panicked leading to India panicking and asking for a ceasefire.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... Finally if you are that superior what happened when the Indians smashed ten of your air bases where was air defense radars fighters to stop.. and this impressive air force dominating India carrying out counter strikes ...

Where was the Indian Air Force on 10 May 2025? 400 km away from the border?

Indians claimed, 400 Pakistani drones entered Indian airspace and were all over New Delhi, where was the India's triple layers of air defences that Indians had been bragging about for two decades?

What hit these areas as identified by Colonel Sofiya?

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[Taimoor]

Preparing to launch nuclear weapons in response to India's conventional weapons attack.

There is a reason why noonitoons are known as patwaris. Who told you this btw?

So, Pakistan hitting 34 targets in India, using drones (400 according to Indians), fighter aircraft with CM-802, and guided rockets as well as cyber attacks on India's telecommunications and transport infrastructure is a small response to you when they fired only 9 cruise missiles on Pakistan?

Nobody is questioning PAF response, its the N-league mai baap haramkoor Asim Muneer and his henchmen. Is that not already clear to you? why mixing the two?

I don't understand your obsession with Baburs?

But here is the thing, Pakistan was preparing to launch it's nuclear tipped cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and nuclear bombs attached to its F-16s, fully aware that the US intelligence was monitoring this massive build-up of Pakistani response.

It's not Pakistan's fault if the US panicked leading to India panicking and asking for a ceasefire.

There is a reason why noonitoons are known as patwaris. Who told you this btw?

 

[Vkdindian1]

So, Pakistan hitting 34 targets in India, using drones (400 according to Indians), fighter aircraft with CM-802, and guided rockets as well as cyber attacks on India's telecommunications and transport infrastructure

Oh yes. There was massive devastation all across this side. All the 34 targets were decimated to the ground.
There is no point explaining anything to children who don’t know the difference between trying vs achieving a goal.

Col Sophia’s statement is the end all for them. Her statement that, there wasn’t any significant damage is conveniently forgotten. Here statement is also so damning a proof that no satellite proof is required thereafter.

When India made a statement that they are ready for peace, it was made from a position of strength. A position where they were able to strike at the heart of your bases at will.

And your planners realised it.

Before thinking of launching nuclear weapons, why didn’t they consider launching Babur and other potent weapons in counter to Brahmos? Because till now kids are claiming that Pakistan didn’t launch better weapons for the sake of deescalation.
This issue has been discussed to death. Please sell this snake oil to bhaktors/fanboys on your side.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... Who told you this btw?

The Americans I guess...

CNN: Vance called Indian prime minister to encourage ceasefire talks after receiving alarming intelligence, sources say

CNN correspondents explain what we know about the India and Pakistan ceasefire

Even the Indians were claiming it as well as Surrender Modi announced that India will not be blackmailed.

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[Pakistan Space Agency]

... Here statement is also so damning a proof that no satellite proof is required thereafter. ...

India to ban unofficial maps and satellite photos

India is introducing legislation to ban any maps or satellite images of the country unless they are approved by government.

www.bbc.co.uk

... When India made a statement that they are ready for peace, it was made from a position of strength. A position where they were able to strike at the heart of your bases at will. ...

Why agree to a ceasefire and then call it pausefire?

... Before thinking of launching nuclear weapons, why didn’t they consider launching Babur and other potent weapons in counter to Brahmos? ..

Babur cruise missiles are declared Pakistan's nuclear weapons.

I heard India's S-400s met Pakistan's supersonic CM-802AKGs fired by JF-17 Thunders. I don't think S-400s liked it.

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Evidence Emerges of S-400 System Components Destroyed in India: Operator’s Obituary Published

Indian media have published an obituary for an operator of the S-400 air defense system component that Pakistan destroyed

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[Vkdindian1]

India to ban unofficial maps and satellite photos

India is introducing legislation to ban any maps or satellite images of the country unless they are approved by government.

www.bbc.co.uk

Why agree to a ceasefire and then call it pausefire?


Babur cruise missiles are declared Pakistan's nuclear weapons.

I heard India's S-400s met Pakistan's supersonic CM-802AKGs fired by JF-17 Thunders. I don't think S-400s liked it.

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Evidence Emerges of S-400 System Components Destroyed in India: Operator’s Obituary Published

Indian media have published an obituary for an operator of the S-400 air defense system component that Pakistan destroyed

militarnyi.com

The high quality imagery that you are peddling can sell only to the fanboys. So please keep it there only.

As far as the claim of Indian ban on satellite imagery. Again this has been sold to you all, but only illiterate or blind ones have bought it. The ones with even basic knowledge have kept quiet to not look like a fool.

Indian ban can work only on companies interested in business in India. If an entity wants to take pictures, India can’t do anything to that entity apart from not allowing them business in India. Can India do anything to the satellites taking pictures? NO.
Can India stop China from taking pictures and handing over to Pakistan? No. You know which company realised the first pictures of damage at Nur Khan? A Chinese company.

But, this snake oil has been sold to your likes. Please consume it and sell it to illiterates who can’t analysis these basic facts.

 

[Taimoor]

The Americans I guess...

CNN: Vance called Indian prime minister to encourage ceasefire talks after receiving alarming intelligence, sources say

CNN correspondents explain what we know about the India and Pakistan ceasefire

Even the Indians were claiming it as well as Surrender Modi announced that India will not be blackmailed.

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Did you read what you posted? No where it says that Pakistan or India were threatening to nuke each other. From Pakistan perspective, why would we even go nuclear when we were dominating India conventionally, where PAF making IAF redundant? Escalation doesn't mean going nuclear from word go, its a childish mindset. What could have happened that economic centres and urban settlements would have been then hit with serious firepower, conventionally.

 

[TAC]

Oh yes. There was massive devastation all across this side. All the 34 targets were decimated to the ground.
There is no point explaining anything to children who don’t know the difference between trying vs achieving a goal.

Col Sophia’s statement is the end all for them. Her statement that, there wasn’t any significant damage is conveniently forgotten. Here statement is also so damning a proof that no satellite proof is required thereafter.

When India made a statement that they are ready for peace, it was made from a position of strength. A position where they were able to strike at the heart of your bases at will.

And your planners realised it.

Before thinking of launching nuclear weapons, why didn’t they consider launching Babur and other potent weapons in counter to Brahmos? Because till now kids are claiming that Pakistan didn’t launch better weapons for the sake of deescalation.
This issue has been discussed to death. Please sell this snake oil to bhaktors/fanboys on your side.

‘Position of strength’So many of your best jets smashed all over North West India & publicly calling for deescalation immediately after Pakistans response & the subsequent evasiveness, half truths and blatant lies spewed by your officials say otherwise but u copers only see what u want to see.
U believe u are explaining to ‘children’. I would suggest amusing ‘children’ is more appropriate for a .

 

[TAC]

The high quality imagery that you are peddling can sell only to the fanboys. So please keep it there only.

As far as the claim of Indian ban on satellite imagery. Again this has been sold to you all, but only illiterate or blind ones have bought it. The ones with even basic knowledge have kept quite to not look like a fool.

Indian ban can work only on companies interested in business in India. If an entity wants to take pictures, India can’t do anything to that entity apart from not allowing them business in India. Can India do anything to the satellites taking pictures? NO.
Can India stop China from taking pictures and handing over to Pakistan? No. You know which company realised the first pictures of damage at Nur Khan? A Chinese company.

But, this snake oil has been sold to your likes. Please consume it and sell it to illiterates who can’t analysis these basic facts.

The biggest snake oil factory of the world is India and there are endless examples of BS fed to u Indians by not only Godi media but also your Govt and military officials. Most recent example being your disgrace to his uniform AC ‘we shot down also 6 Pakistan jets’ it gets better ‘including a big one’ and u Indians can’t get enough of it ….. but u think its us who have been sold snake oil cute
Now u keep beating the drum of no satellite images of damage in India because it’s all you’ve got to console yourself with when you see proof of all your best jets including Ra-fail obliterated without apparently managing to get even a shot off in reply.
As for damage, it’s confirmed limited on Pakistan side and apart from one asset damaged - which was disclosed by Pakistan, all damages were easily repairable during operations, confirmed by multiple reliable sources including seniors on
This forum with proven integrity and independent sources like AFM. India says limited damage to men and material on its side too. So why u keep pushing for satellite images other than for your cope? Now if u ever do get those satellite images that u are so desperate for, suggest u stick them where the sun doesn’t shine & see if that provides some relief - because as above they are irrelevant. Just look at the images & videos of your best jets burning & think about what the pilots went through and find another way to cope.