India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Master Chief]

I made an assertion that SS is alive and well based on latest pictures and the article - nothing more, nothing less. But you claimed "medics did a good job patching her up" implying that she was hurt. And you did that without providing any evidence - thats the difference between you and me.

Also, it seems like you've forgotten that you would rather be dead than an India - displaying hatred for 1.5B+ people as a badge of honor - be proud and carry on.

There did I refresh your memory enough?

I've already explained to you that "I would rather be dead than Indian" does not equate to "hatred of all Indians". Why can you not understand this?

I've also stated that the discussion regarding SS was not some intellectual "debate".

There is a 5 month intel gap from when claims about SS were initially leveraged (never officially mind you, only by online enthusiasts) and the appearance of the photos in question.

If you are completely confident that this 5 month void cannot be attributed to her lying in a rehab bed undergoing bone remodelling operations and physiotherapy to return your soldier to optimum health, then good for you! If you are confident of this, then you have no need to even respond to simple trolling, right?

As for "badges of honour", the "living rent free in Indian forum goers heads" patch is the only one I wish to wear today.

 

[samsite84]

I've already explained to you that "I would rather be dead than Indian" does not equate to "hatred of all Indians". Why can you not understand this?

I've also stated that the discussion regarding SS was not some intellectual "debate".

There is a 5 month intel gap from when claims about SS were initially leveraged (never officially mind you, only by online enthusiasts) and the appearance of the photos in question.

If you are completely confident that this 5 month void cannot be attributed to her lying in a rehab bed undergoing bone remodelling operations and physiotherapy to return your soldier to optimum health, then good for you! If you are confident of this, then you have no need to even respond to simple trolling, right?

As for "badges of honour", the "living rent free in Indian forum goers heads" patch is the only one I wish to wear today.

The burden of proof lies is on the accuser - so its you who has to produce images of SS going through rehab or any other thing that fits your narrative. They were accusations made that she might be dead, is in Pakistan custody, retired from AF etc. - all of which has been debunked by the pictures shared recently. If you don't understand that - I can't help you.

And as for your inflated sense of "ego" - tch tch tch

 

[White Privilege]

Again cherry picking at its best.

Pakistan also conferred medal post Sindoor (think it was August or something) not right in the middle. So to say India woke up from slumber is just wrong. There are procedures and they were followed. So the argument of "7 months" doesn't hold water.

And India also revealed the cause of death of 1 and injury to another - just that it doesn't suit your interpretation

Broader question is: In what world does PAF saying AWACS is damaged and it can be repaired even though 5 airmen lost lives stand true while at the same time India's claim that no S-400 was hit even though 1 person was injured and maybe 1 dead (though this is murky) not hold? Double standards much

Pakistan did not make fart claims months after the conflict, instead presented a clear story right from the get go. The world had a fairly good idea what our gains and losses were, and our awards did not contradict that. Indians however made the ridiculous claims of shooting down PAF fighters months after Trump kept on poking you with PAF kills against you. There was no mention of any kills when Modi visited S-400 battery but suddenly kills were manufactured months later for propaganda purposes. Also Indians have already conceded that a missile did land very close to the Adampur battery, so a better name for S-400 should be 'CM-400 dodgers', just like AMRAAM dodgers of 2019. LOL

 

[samsite84]

Pakistan did not make fart claims months after the conflict, instead presented a clear story right from the get go. The world had a fairly good idea what our gains and losses were, and our awards did not contradict that. Indians however made the ridiculous claims of shooting down PAF fighters months after Trump kept on poking you with PAF kills against you. There was no mention of any kills when Modi visited S-400 battery but suddenly kills were manufactured months later for propaganda purposes. Also Indians have already conceded that a missile did land very close to the Adampur battery, so a better name for S-400 should be 'CM-400 dodgers', just like AMRAAM dodgers of 2019. LOL

I am not going to make Khichdi of a discussion. Yesterday's posts were against the propaganda pushed by Pakistani members/many X accounts about SS. That she is in Pakistan custody, that she is dead, that she has been paralysed or let go from AF etc etc. None of that is true. I am not making any claim on the overall conflict only rebutting a few related to SS where we have definitive proof now.

 

[Oscar]

I am not going to make Khichdi of a discussion. Yesterday's posts were against the propaganda pushed by Pakistani members/many X accounts about SS. That she is in Pakistan custody, that she is dead, that she has been paralysed or let go from AF etc etc. None of that is true. I am not making any claim on the overall conflict only rebutting a few related to SS where we have definitive proof now.

Then agree to disagree and move on

 

[Cipher212]

I am not going to make Khichdi of a discussion. Yesterday's posts were against the propaganda pushed by Pakistani members/many X accounts about SS. That she is in Pakistan custody, that she is dead, that she has been paralysed or let go from AF etc etc. None of that is true. I am not making any claim on the overall conflict only rebutting a few related to SS where we have definitive proof now.

The Shivangi story was denied day 1 by ISPR. Only recently when she had not appeared in public for a long time was another rumour floated that she was perhaps one of the Rafale pilots that went down over India (PR angle to have a female pilot be part of Op Sindoor).

If we want to start analysing every twitter claim then we must now comb through satellite pictures of Lahore to find its port also, so that we can check if it was destroyed or not.

 

[samsite84]

The Shivangi story was denied day 1 by ISPR. Only recently when she had not appeared in public for a long time was another rumour floated that she was perhaps one of the Rafale pilots that went down over India (PR angle to have a female pilot be part of Op Sindoor).

If we want to start analysing every twitter claim then we must now comb through satellite pictures of Lahore to find its port also, so that we can check if it was destroyed or not.

Fair call. I only brought up the SS story because it was parroted by a few members here ad nauseam... And agree -> we should only talk about damage that can be ascertained by credible OSINT (don't trust Pakistan or India here)

 

[Yasser76]

Fair call. I only brought up the SS story because it was parroted by a few members here ad nauseam... And agree -> we should only talk about damage that can be ascertained by credible OSINT (don't trust Pakistan or India here)

Well, issue is you do not trust anything that does not parrot India's line, so please stop with the faux neutral fact based investigator position

 

[samsite84]

Well, issue is you do not trust anything that does not parrot India's line, so please stop with the faux neutral fact based investigator position

Haha... little Yasser getting worked up I see. Dude, you clearly haven't read my posts - even in this thread I have posted how possible proof of 3 aircrafts down exists, while the number maybe higher up

The only reason I came to this forum post May was to understand the evidence in public domain (esp. of India's losses) that a Pakistani forum will be more motivated to get.

Anyways, being a faux neutral better than calling everyone who opposes your views as faux flag holder...

 

[Yasser76]

Haha... little Yasser getting worked up I see. Dude, you clearly haven't read my posts - even in this thread I have posted how possible proof of 3 aircrafts down exists, while the number maybe higher up

The only reason I came to this forum post May was to understand the evidence in public domain (esp. of India's losses) that a Pakistani forum will be more motivated to get.

Anyways, being a faux neutral better than calling everyone who opposes your views as faux flag holder...

Air Forces Monthly reported 4 downed Rafales with serial numbers. That neutral enough for you or you gonna cry now about Alan Warnes being an ISI agent?

 

[Yasser76]

Yup, thought so, you dont want to read facts, you want Indian conspiracy theories dressed up as "facts". Economist, Trump, AFM have all got it in for India.

It's the guy who said Lahore Port was destroyed who is factual.

When confronted with real facts, your mock good faith contributor masks slips off quickly.

 

[samsite84]

Yup, thought so, you dont want to read facts, you want Indian conspiracy theories dressed up as "facts". Economist, Trump, AFM have all got it in for India.

It's the guy who said Lahore Port was destroyed who is factual.

When confronted with real facts, your mock good faith contributor masks slips off quickly.

The issue with your "sources" is that you only want the ones which suit your narrative i.e., AFM is fine but when dozens of other investigators (with similar or better credo than your fav Alan) say otherwise, you wouldn't consider it

Did I ever say Lahore Port shizz - does anyone here take it seriously - folks like you chase innuendo - that is it. And I don't want to be part of it. Unfortunately, it becomes a nuisance after a certain point of time and difficult to ignore.

Any neutral will be hard pressed to say (given available evidence):
1. India didn't loose any jets
2. No on ground losses for Pakistan from Indian attacks
3. Evidence that Indian indeed shot PAF jets A2A
4. S-400 was lost (chessboard or whatever)

 

[Yasser76]

The issue with your "sources" is that you only want the ones which suit your narrative i.e., AFM is fine but when dozens of other investigators (with similar or better credo than your fav Alan) say otherwise, you wouldn't consider it

Did I ever say Lahore Port shizz - does anyone here take it seriously - folks like you chase innuendo - that is it. And I don't want to be part of it. Unfortunately, it becomes a nuisance after a certain point of time and difficult to ignore.

Any neutral will be hard pressed to say (given available evidence):
1. India didn't loose any jets
2. No on ground losses for Pakistan from Indian attacks
3. Evidence that Indian indeed shot PAF jets A2A
4. S-400 was lost (chessboard or whatever)

Thanks for proving my point. At first you say both Indian and Pakistani sources are not credible and when you are given a neutral one it does not fit your narrative. Give me one person more credible then Alan Warns he agrees with India's version of events, and I am really hoping for the sack of your credibility you will not roll out Tom "Will saying anything for $2,000" Cooper.

I will wait....

 

[TallGuy]

Just to get things in prespective

POTUS is saying 8 x kills (all spanking new jets) so is he talking taliking about Rafale losses on 7th May.

so in a way he is telling PAF has shot down more the claimed 7 on 7th May-25?

POTUS should give clear brief. is there any way to send him message via social media?

 

[niubi]

Trump is a liar and a whore. Why attribute value to his words?

A deceitful one who lies for you can and probably will also lie against you.

What happens when India pays off these sorts of actors (like Trump) and they make claims of shooting down x PAF fighters? Eventually it's a certainty.

Pay little attention to words and especially those from cheap, worthless souls. You might like what he says today. Pay attention to actions and evidence. PAF wrecked IAF. We don't need Trump to tell us anything. Evidence coming from US sources should just be looked at and evaluated silently, at most mentioned for record. That's it. Stop pointing to it like some gospel. It unfairly and unwisely gives it too much credit.

IAF and India have created their own narratives but behind the scenes they're also preparing and working to fix their errors. Pakistan should stay ahead of the curve but expect India to escalate to a higher scale of conflict because they have significant advantages when it comes to a drawn out, higher scale conflict.