India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Reichmarshal]

The title of this thread should not be "India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales" but" india lucky that we have ch@ta leadership at the helm", who let go of a golden opportunity to settle it once and for all.

Now it will come bit Pakistan where the sun dont shine

 

[r3alist]

Do you think the Indian airforce will be neutered from us shooting down 15 jets? The objective isn't to neuter them but to demoralize them to the point where they think thrice before trying anything.

Ok, so then how was that NOT achieved? The Indian air force undertakes a so called surprise attack, with their French toys, they are completely out-classed clearly being ignorant to Pakistani capabilities and joint Pakistani Chinese capabilities, and based on the actions of a few hours they will have to face months and years of confusion befuddlement and awkward introspection

I am demoralized on their behalf given the reassessment they will have to do

Basically....I'm just trying to understand the point about opportunity missed from paf.

 

[r3alist]

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Reality is completely different. If I tell you, you would be gobsmacked.

How is that not the meanderings of a demoralised perspective?

My fellow members, the main challenge here is not to over celebrate the wins and not to downplay their effect, but to find the most effective and balanced takeaways


Simply put, don't delude yourself, don't demoralize yourself

@MastanKhan

 

[PakistanLVR]

I like the first half of your post much more than the second

Nations fighting, especially big Nations, cannot be considered by the logic of the street fighting, or gang fighting .... obviously

In some ways it can be. Westerners including the Jews operate exactly as bullies on the streets do. They will push and push until there's an effective resistance. They don't want any resistance or push-back. It needs to teeter on mass destruction for them to recalculate their plans.

By the exact same logic you can apply the same conclusions to Iran but here everyone is giving Iran a pat on the back for just standing up to Israel

You must understand there is a wider global context over the last 25 years, spanning the financial, social, spiritual and metaphysical.....Pakistan has been softened up for most of those, everyone has

Pakistan is in a unique position to leverage its Islamic character as well its literal genetic and cultural connection to the greater Islamic world; thereby influencing them via Islamic values - but the rulers in Pakistan lack strategic vision to do so or most of them are on the foreign payroll specifically chosen to quiet down.

After watching the complete take-over of America by the pro-israeli politicians - it all makes sense why they went after any Political Islamic parties in the Islamic World. They've successfully turned the people that matter in these countries to very anti-Islam and pro "Democracy and Freedom" - meaning destroying the social fabric of countries so they can't resist. One only has to look at the women in Pakistan society to see the impacts of these nefarious policies. Gender studies, equality etc were guise to undermine Islamic values and create Westernized drones with inherent anti-Islamic leanings. Sorry to take this thread off-topic.

But actually, it's not Libya it's not Syria it's not Iraq


If you think a 3 day battle is THE battle, then life would be much simpler, history plays out over time.

Actually, here is where I can give the Iranians credit, they seem to understand this idea much more, in comparison Pakistanis are toddlers who need instant gratification.

More missiles, more planes..... Ok what about everything else?

agreed.

 

[Alex]

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How is that not the meanderings of a demoralised perspective?

My fellow members, the main challenge here is not to over celebrate the wins and not to downplay their effect, but to find the most effective and balanced takeaways


Simply put, don't delude yourself, don't demoralize yourself

@MastanKhan

That comment was in response to his comment, just as a light-hearted response; it had nothing to do with any win, loss or demoralisation. You're reading too much into it.

Of course, balance takeaway is necessary. My efforts are for Pakistanis to understand their country's approach and why I think it is counterproductive against an enemy like India. Pakistan's restraint is taken as weakness by the Indians. They will keep testing Pakistan because they don't take Pakistan's attacks as deterrence. Pakistan needs to create deterrence urgently to stop India from repeating the same mantra.
It is as simple as that.

 

[ThrustVector998]

Proof of two Rafales are there. Most likely proof of third are also there.

Where's the 2nd one's proof? I've only seen proof for BS-001 so far

 

[Windjammer]

Some sources reporting as follow.

Count of 4xRafale losses:
1. BS-001
2. BS-018
3. BS-021 (Sq Ldr. Shivangi Singh, No.32091)
4. BS-023
5. BS-027
WC Manish Singh No. 27976
WC Akshay Kumar Vij No. 27971
Out of 5, 3 shot down in the air while 2 landed damaged.
One declared beyond economical repair / written off.

 

[Toxic]

Some sources reporting as follow.

Count of 4xRafale losses:
1. BS-001
2. BS-018
3. BS-021 (Sq Ldr. Shivangi Singh, No.32091)
4. BS-023
5. BS-027
WC Manish Singh No. 27976
WC Akshay Kumar Vij No. 27971
Out of 5, 3 shot down in the air while 2 landed damaged.
One declared beyond economical repair / written off.

Don't take Twitter sources seriously.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Some sources reporting as follow.

Count of 4xRafale losses:
1. BS-001
2. BS-018
3. BS-021 (Sq Ldr. Shivangi Singh, No.32091)
4. BS-023
5. BS-027
WC Manish Singh No. 27976
WC Akshay Kumar Vij No. 27971
Out of 5, 3 shot down in the air while 2 landed damaged.
One declared beyond economical repair / written off.

If 3 were shot down, then it is safe to assume some were hit, but also some were battle damaged and managed to limp home with their battle damage.

Also the reason why India/IAF are not talking about Shivangi Singh is if she is dead, or badly hurt, then that news will go global in an instant as it would be the first female fast jet pilot to have been critically hurt in a modern jet combat.

 

[Windjammer]

Don't take Twitter sources seriously.

Believe me this guy talks no nonsense.

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[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Indias intentions were really bad and surprising as well.

An all out air force attack against Pakistan, launching multiple formations at different areas to decimate our air bases.

Based on their intentions, They were rogue and mad and a tit for tat was needed. If not the whole formations But atleast 20 jets should’ve been downed to teach them a lesson.

7 crash karne par hi inki phuss hogai, 20 giranay par to ye kabhi wapas urhne ka sochen bhi nai, escalation to door ki baat.

Their navy that boasts about vikrant is also a sitting duck against our anti ship missiles and submarines and they realized that, went back.

They were essentially left with strategic systems as a response to which we too responded by Fateh missiles.

We had a golden opportunity that day and we let them go, only to regroup even better now.

On the positive side: they have to live with the most of their equipment being potential targets in the next conflict. They'll bear the costs of maintaining and training with them. Their morale and belief in their systems will be perpetually low. It's like not being able to gobble up or throw out. The very public rift b/w their political and military leadership shows it all. According to their commanders, it's like Bharat against Pak + China + Turkey. So, they need a budget of $10b + $300b + $40b = $350b. They believe in #s in bottom-line in $....

 

[Foinikas]

Don't you think French are regretting selling Rafales to India?
They are singing "if I Could Turn Back Time.

The weird thing is they keep selling them Rafale and other equipment. When they have proven unreliable. Scorpene debacle anyone?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Believe me this guy talks no nonsense.

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Their top jets serial# starts with BS. No further explanations are required...

 

[Windjammer]

Their top jets serial# starts with BS. No further explanations are required...

Does makes sense since they all showed their Back Sides aka BS

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Some sources reporting as follow.

Count of 4xRafale losses:
1. BS-001
2. BS-018
3. BS-021 (Sq Ldr. Shivangi Singh, No.32091)
4. BS-023
5. BS-027
WC Manish Singh No. 27976
WC Akshay Kumar Vij No. 27971
Out of 5, 3 shot down in the air while 2 landed damaged.
One declared beyond economical repair / written off

There several lists of serial numbers going around so I don't think any are accurate unless it comes directly from a credible source