India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[samsite84]

Im confused - why are you making assumptions of ill intent when infact those given awards for martyrdom were at the place where damage occurred?

Are you projecting your own dishonesty?
Please, Pakistanis are not like you.

People here are openly talking to the damaged Saab at Bholari and loss of life while your side cannot seem to produce a single female pilot who is constantly metamorphic from pregnant to operationally deployed to some meta aatma status in between.

As I have said in my earlier posts, this is throwing spaghetti at the wall.

Be it the "female" pilot, be it S-400 damage because gallantry award given - there is no proof and this is conjecture (at best).

I am not claiming that India must have destroyed the SAAB because Pakistan awarded medals and personnel were martyred. I am merely highlighting the HYPOCRISY of members, who would jump at exaggerations/conjectures I listed above while applying the same yardstick to their own backyard.

 

[Oscar]

As I have said in my earlier posts, this is throwing spaghetti at the wall.

Be it the "female" pilot, be it S-400 damage because gallantry award given - there is no proof and this is conjecture (at best).

I am not claiming that India must have destroyed the SAAB because Pakistan awarded medals and personnel were martyred. I am merely highlighting the HYPOCRISY of members, who would jump at exaggerations/conjectures I listed above while applying the same yardstick to their own backyard.

And now we’re taking the high horse because hypocrisy was pointed out and we’re pretending we never engaged in it.

 

[samsite84]

And now we’re taking the high horse because hypocrisy was pointed out and we’re pretending we never engaged in it.

Yes you're right... never engaged in it

 

[Vkdindian1]

The Saab is very much not in a flying state but your logic(and that of your fellow countrymen) is rather hypocritical . Are you suggesting if 15 jets were shot down and India was honest to goodness it would happily parade the wreckage even if PAF was unaware of it?

We both know its illogical as much as illogical for PAF to take a picture and parade the saab. PAF has not officially denied any damage to a saab or said otherwise.

As for Hangars being empty at Jacobabad it was simple war prep much like India does in moving assets to hardened shelters.
So yes a hangar was damaged and a spoofed dud hit a generator building but according to Indian experts they wiped out entire squadrons of F-16s which were all shoved in that hangar yet the entire camera happy types that were pushing pictures of nur khan day 1 and even showed damage at Jacobabad cannot see any mass wreckage.

I have no issues with claims and counter claims.

The idea or the proposal of count of aircraft is a juvenile one. And the cheerleader party wants only the counting of aircraft.
Should it be restricted to aircraft or an inventory of each and every claim be verified? And who would do it?

Would Pakistan or India allow a third party access to various secure facilities to verify the claims of the other side? Some of these could be highly classified. I doubt that.

This challenge of only the aircraft count is with a hope that Indian government would officially accept the losses. It ain’t happening. If they had to, then it would have already happened.

The loss of Saab came out due to that interview by the retired Air Marshal. ISPR had only accepted loss of life and damage to equipment.
I doubt that Pakistan would come out with exact list of damages to other assets either.

I do not believe that attack on that hangar would wipe out an entire F-16 Squadron but it is highly possible to have a couple of aircraft under maintenance in that hangar.

ISPR hasn’t come out with exact details of damages at Nur Khan and other bases. At Nur Khan, it was your input that a fuel truck had caught fire.

I do not expect or demand the exact nature of damages because of obvious reasons.

Not defending Indian government’s refusal to declare the number of fighters lost. Just describing the futility of this head count demand.

 

[Areesh]

Just describing the futility of this head count demand.

Just two pages earlier you wanted Pakistan to open its facilities to neutral observers and to do head count of its aircraft even if India doesn't do anything like that

Now you want to explan futility of head count

There is a reason IAF is what it is today. That shamelessness of IAF comes from somewhere. And your posts are explaining just that

 

[Xestan]

I have no issues with claims and counter claims.

The idea or the proposal of count of aircraft is a juvenile one. And the cheerleader party wants only the counting of aircraft.
Should it be restricted to aircraft or an inventory of each and every claim be verified? And who would do it?

Would Pakistan or India allow a third party access to various secure facilities to verify the claims of the other side? Some of these could be highly classified. I doubt that.

This challenge of only the aircraft count is with a hope that Indian government would officially accept the losses. It ain’t happening. If they had to, then it would have already happened.

The loss of Saab came out due to that interview by the retired Air Marshal. ISPR had only accepted loss of life and damage to equipment.
I doubt that Pakistan would come out with exact list of damages to other assets either.

I do not believe that attack on that hangar would wipe out an entire F-16 Squadron but it is highly possible to have a couple of aircraft under maintenance in that hangar.

ISPR hasn’t come out with exact details of damages at Nur Khan and other bases. At Nur Khan, it was your input that a fuel truck had caught fire.

I do not expect or demand the exact nature of damages because of obvious reasons.

Not defending Indian government’s refusal to declare the number of fighters lost. Just describing the futility of this head count demand.

Just want to add that DG ISPR had already mentioned that one of our aircraft sustained damage during the attack, this was said in the press conference post ceasefire. The information was already there. The retired Air Marshal didn't say anything new.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Just two pages earlier you wanted Pakistan to open its facilities to neutral observers and to do head count of its aircraft even if India doesn't do anything like that

Some people can’t read sarcasm. It’s their fault.

 

[Areesh]

Some people can’t read sarcasm. It’s their fault.

Sarcasm is the worst thing to do when your airforce and your government is shamelessly lying through its teeth

 

[TAC]

I have no issues with claims and counter claims.

The idea or the proposal of count of aircraft is a juvenile one. And the cheerleader party wants only the counting of aircraft.
Should it be restricted to aircraft or an inventory of each and every claim be verified? And who would do it?

Would Pakistan or India allow a third party access to various secure facilities to verify the claims of the other side? Some of these could be highly classified. I doubt that.

This challenge of only the aircraft count is with a hope that Indian government would officially accept the losses. It ain’t happening. If they had to, then it would have already happened.

The loss of Saab came out due to that interview by the retired Air Marshal. ISPR had only accepted loss of life and damage to equipment.
I doubt that Pakistan would come out with exact list of damages to other assets either.

I do not believe that attack on that hangar would wipe out an entire F-16 Squadron but it is highly possible to have a couple of aircraft under maintenance in that hangar.

ISPR hasn’t come out with exact details of damages at Nur Khan and other bases. At Nur Khan, it was your input that a fuel truck had caught fire.

I do not expect or demand the exact nature of damages because of obvious reasons.

Not defending Indian government’s refusal to declare the number of fighters lost. Just describing the futility of this head count demand.

‘Loss of Saab’?? Damaged only pal and ISPR confirmed 1 asset was damaged but will be back in service soon. Your coping fabrication, brushing over significant Indian losses and exaggerating damage in Pakistan continues. Now Go count up how many Ra-fails u managed to get shot down without even getting a shot off in response.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I have no issues with claims and counter claims.

The idea or the proposal of count of aircraft is a juvenile one. And the cheerleader party wants only the counting of aircraft.
Should it be restricted to aircraft or an inventory of each and every claim be verified? And who would do it?

Would Pakistan or India allow a third party access to various secure facilities to verify the claims of the other side? Some of these could be highly classified. I doubt that.

This challenge of only the aircraft count is with a hope that Indian government would officially accept the losses. It ain’t happening. If they had to, then it would have already happened.

The loss of Saab came out due to that interview by the retired Air Marshal. ISPR had only accepted loss of life and damage to equipment.
I doubt that Pakistan would come out with exact list of damages to other assets either.

I do not believe that attack on that hangar would wipe out an entire F-16 Squadron but it is highly possible to have a couple of aircraft under maintenance in that hangar.

ISPR hasn’t come out with exact details of damages at Nur Khan and other bases. At Nur Khan, it was your input that a fuel truck had caught fire.

I do not expect or demand the exact nature of damages because of obvious reasons.

Not defending Indian government’s refusal to declare the number of fighters lost. Just describing the futility of this head count demand.

fabrications and fabricated both are slaves (Pluto's cave allegory!)
you are being fabricated, casted in the lies, to mould your reality!

 

[Mav3rick]

As I have said in my earlier posts, this is throwing spaghetti at the wall.

Be it the "female" pilot, be it S-400 damage because gallantry award given - there is no proof and this is conjecture (at best).

I am not claiming that India must have destroyed the SAAB because Pakistan awarded medals and personnel were martyred. I am merely highlighting the HYPOCRISY of members, who would jump at exaggerations/conjectures I listed above while applying the same yardstick to their own backyard.

I think the difference is probably because our side has stuck to the same statements that were released officially whereas statements by Indian side were far, varied and have changed repeatedly. That's perhaps why the international community also accepted Pakistan's version over the Indian version(s).

 

[Mav3rick]

I have no issues with claims and counter claims.

The idea or the proposal of count of aircraft is a juvenile one. And the cheerleader party wants only the counting of aircraft.
Should it be restricted to aircraft or an inventory of each and every claim be verified? And who would do it?

Would Pakistan or India allow a third party access to various secure facilities to verify the claims of the other side? Some of these could be highly classified. I doubt that.

This challenge of only the aircraft count is with a hope that Indian government would officially accept the losses. It ain’t happening. If they had to, then it would have already happened.

The loss of Saab came out due to that interview by the retired Air Marshal. ISPR had only accepted loss of life and damage to equipment.
I doubt that Pakistan would come out with exact list of damages to other assets either.

I do not believe that attack on that hangar would wipe out an entire F-16 Squadron but it is highly possible to have a couple of aircraft under maintenance in that hangar.

ISPR hasn’t come out with exact details of damages at Nur Khan and other bases. At Nur Khan, it was your input that a fuel truck had caught fire.

I do not expect or demand the exact nature of damages because of obvious reasons.

Not defending Indian government’s refusal to declare the number of fighters lost. Just describing the futility of this head count demand.

The retired Air Marshal clearly stated that the SAAB was slightly damaged which was fixed and swiftly placed back in action.

And not a single other Jet, including F-16, was damaged.

 

[Mav3rick]

I seriously wonder how the IAF's Chief goes around showing his face to his own officers and Air Force personnel after making blatantly false statements which would not be known to the general public but would definately be known to most of the IAF personnel.

 

[Hayabusa]

I seriously wonder how the IAF's Chief goes around showing his face to his own officers and Air Force personnel after making blatantly false statements which would not be known to the general public but would definately be known to most of the IAF personnel.

He screams every morning into his turban before wrapping it around his head. Probably let off all the tension before putting up a straight face again.

 

[Areesh]

I seriously wonder how the IAF's Chief goes around showing his face to his own officers and Air Force personnel after making blatantly false statements which would not be known to the general public but would definately be known to most of the IAF personnel.

His subordinates are as shameless and lack dignity just like him

So I don't think he faces any issues while facing other IAF officers