India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[gamaji]

As the recent Iran-Israel war also proved, air-power is now the primary lead service and the most consequential force for modern warfare. I do think that the PA should be reduced slightly and the PAF should be massively increased in capability with those funds( in an ideal world you can increase the size of the air force without taking from the PA but Pakistan is an economic basket case unfortunately). The PAF alone can stop a war in its tracks before it fully starts, the PA cannot do that, or the Navy.

If things don't come to public domain then that doesn't mean nothing happened on the ground. Pak army's excellent planning/deployment and effective hammering of the enemy, Modi couldn't do anything on the ground either. Similarly, it wasn't without a reason that IN retreated close to their shores after advancing closer to Pakistan's maritime boundary.

All three branches of our military performed well to make Modi bite the dust.

 

[Oscar]

Indians never keep their word, why do we forget that. We can't believe what they say in open let alone behind the scenes. In Kargil, they were supposed to 'allow Pakistani forces to vacate on their own', they opened up with artillery as soon as they got the peaks back. The best way for us is to kill the Indian sting before our 'mutual friends' get involved, so they can't strike back later.

They are doing what effective enemies do. Pakistan is too busy with “looking good” and unfortunately they cannot discern the line between honorable and pure naivety

 

[Oscar]

I made that comment from a totally neutral non-Pakistani perspective. It’s obvious your army is manned by politicized generals while your Air Force is professional and focused on military issues.

There’s no prove Pakistan army strikes did any damage. Only verifiable damages occurred in the air and by the PAF.

It’s impossible to hide missile hits on an enemy territory and if they existed, Pakistan army would have shown satellite imagery to refute Indian claims. That this hasn’t happened and no credible 3rd party source haven’t confirmed any hit settles this debate. It’s as ridiculous as India claiming to have shot down a single PAF plane, let the preposterous 6 PAF shot down shenanigans.

Again - missle hits were not the topic of the Army’s effectiveness in the theater it had them

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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[user]

I would be honest. We commoners have no knowledge about the achievements of Army and Navy in these few days of conflict. And I am not trying to belittle these two branches when I say this. Because our source of information was the mainstream media that was reporting PAF prevailed. This is why many question why COAS was promoted to the rank of Field Marshal; rather the promotion should have been for ACM Zaheer Ahmed.

 

[Oscar]

I would be honest. We commoners have no knowledge about the achievements of Army and Navy in these few days of conflict. And I am not trying to belittle these two branches when I say this. Because our source of information was the mainstream media that was reporting PAF prevailed. This is why many question why COAS was promoted to the rank of Field Marshal; rather the promotion should have been for ACM Zaheer Ahmed.

Since the start of Zia’s dictatorship in Pakistan the Air Force and navy will never be allowed to gain access to any ranks that exceed Army.
So you will never see any five star or otherwise in PAF or PN - nor will you see any of them ever occupying CGS even though it was traditionally a rotating post among services.

 

[Oscar]

If things don't come to public domain then that doesn't mean nothing happened on the ground. Pak army's excellent planning/deployment and effective hammering of the enemy, Modi couldn't do anything on the ground either. Similarly, it wasn't without a reason that IN retreated close to their shores after advancing closer to Pakistan's maritime boundary.

All three branches of our military performed well to make Modi bite the dust.

The IN’s best gambit of trying to sneak in submarines for blockade and potentially special forces incursion has been thwarted so badly that this time they ran from their attempt so fast that their acoustic signals were heard by every sonar sensor in the arabian sea and Indian ocean.

Without the ability to go further into the PN A2/AD net because the IAF was grounded their Navy simply kept outside of the entire net and let their media make claims of attacking Lahore port

 

[user]

The IN’s best gambit of trying to sneak in submarines for blockade and potentially special forces incursion has been thwarted so badly that this time they ran from their attempt so fast that their acoustic signals were heard by every sonar sensor in the arabian sea and Indian ocean.

Without the ability to go further into the PN A2/AD net because the IAF was grounded their Navy simply kept outside of the entire net and let their media make claims of attacking Lahore port

The idea of attack on Lahore Port could only be purported by Arnab Goswami. After all, the guy is a Visiting Fellow at the University of Cambridge.

 

[Yasser76]

The idea of attack on Lahore Port could only be purported by Arnab Goswami. After all, the guy is a Visiting Fellow at the University of Cambridge.

Graduate, not visiting fellow

 

[Falcon26]

An ignorant idiot just farting for the sake of it. How can you say 'Pakistan army generals lose on the ground'? What they lost in May fighting? Quite contrarily, Pakistan occupied many posts on the LOC and also advanced 15-20Kms on international border.

Lay off whatever you’re smoking, my friend. Advanced 15-20km on the international border? Get serious!

 

[ThoroughPro]

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We are so used to listening to this hyperbole, after 2019 we were told PAF could have downed 13 more but we showed restraint after shooting down just 2, so they came back in 2025 and again we were told that we could have shot down 30 but we showed restraint after shooting down only 6. Next time the enemy will start by surprise missile attacks on air bases. Men in uniform who show restraint to the aggressor are either cowards or traitors.

Why not break the enemy's back so they never come back instead of missing the GOD given opportunity and resorting to empty threats for the next time> When you use the word "next time" that means your last time did not teach the enemy any lesson.

War fighting mentality should be, "this is the last time you made the mistake, now you die" not that I'll go easy on you this time but I'll do such and such next time.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

We are so used to listening to this hyperbole, after 2019 we were told PAF could have downed 13 more but we showed restraint after shooting down just 2, so they came back in 2025 and again we were told that we could have shot down 30 but we showed restraint after shooting down only 6. Next time the enemy will start by surprise missile attacks on air bases. Men in uniform who show restraint to the aggressor are either cowards or traitors.

Why not break the enemy's back so they never come back instead of missing the GOD given opportunity and resorting to empty threats for the next time> When you use the word "next time" that means your last time did not teach the enemy any lesson.

War fighting mentality should be, "this is the last time you made the mistake, now you die" not that I'll go easy on you this time but I'll do such and such next time.

cool words unconnected with the economic and historic realities


sorry

 

[ThoroughPro]

cool words unconnected with the economic and historic realities


sorry

what does history and economy has to do with it when the opportunity was right under your nose. Its the cowardice of the army generals and their corrupt pawns.

 

[White Privilege]

We are so used to listening to this hyperbole, after 2019 we were told PAF could have downed 13 more but we showed restraint after shooting down just 2, so they came back in 2025 and again we were told that we could have shot down 30 but we showed restraint after shooting down only 6. Next time the enemy will start by surprise missile attacks on air bases. Men in uniform who show restraint to the aggressor are either cowards or traitors.

Why not break the enemy's back so they never come back instead of missing the GOD given opportunity and resorting to empty threats for the next time> When you use the word "next time" that means your last time did not teach the enemy any lesson.

War fighting mentality should be, "this is the last time you made the mistake, now you die" not that I'll go easy on you this time but I'll do such and such next time.

I believe the 'realization' is now setting in that we let the enemy of easy. Anyways these statements are meant to be more of a deterrent than a boast. The top brass has realized we can't go easy on the Indians so we have heard all that 'we will start in the east' policy. A welcome change. This '60-0' is also a policy statement, even if we do, Indians are not taking it lightly....

 

[Gripen9]

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