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Irrelevant details.

Frankly I'm not even sure if the other guy is actually Jewish. All I see is a shocked and amateurish interviewer asking dumb questions and trying to figure out some "mystery" on behalf of India and a serious professional laying down the rules of international geo-economics for India to consider.

Your obfuscation is noteworthy, if wholly predictable.
At least you have finally acknowledged your usual modus operandi. Details are irrelevant and you are not sure about any facts and yet make up fantastical stories to suit whatever narrative you fancy.

Howard Lutnick is most certainly Jewish. At least you got that right, if only as a shot in the dark.

Your ranting is completely predictable and boring. It doesnt even reach the level of sophistry. In plain words, you are full of shyte.
 
@r3alist bro

Trump has seized Venezuelan oil, will probably take Greenland and all of the enormous wealth that has,

May I put in a contrarian word? The wealth of a nation lies in its people, buried in their brain and muscles, and not in minerals underground.

Regards
 
At least you have finally acknowledged your usual modus operandi. Details are irrelevant and you are not sure about any facts and yet make up fantastical stories to suit whatever narrative you fancy.

Howard Lutnick is most certainly Jewish. At least you got that right, if only as a shot in the dark.

Your ranting is completely predictable and boring. It doesnt even reach the level of sophistry. In plain words, you are full of shyte.
That's your interpretation.

I put it to you that I actually have people, like you, to check these irrelevant points over on my behalf.

You should certainly get the recognition you deserve for such high level functionality, but you probably won't.
 
At least you have finally acknowledged your usual modus operandi. Details are irrelevant and you are not sure about any facts and yet make up fantastical stories to suit whatever narrative you fancy.

Howard Lutnick is most certainly Jewish. At least you got that right, if only as a shot in the dark.

Your ranting is completely predictable and boring. It doesnt even reach the level of sophistry. In plain words, you are full of shyte.

1) India is doing fine, tariff or not.
2) India will not settle for a bad deal.

Weird that we are still discussing things that mean nothing to Indian masses. We discuss Indian economics full time on another forum and this whole tariff is something none of us care for anymore. America and Trump can go eff themselves. There is massive demand for reforms. That is all we care for short term. Trump is not permanent. Nothing is except national interest.
 
@r3alist bro

Trump has seized Venezuelan oil, will probably take Greenland and all of the enormous wealth that has,

May I put in a contrarian word? The wealth of a nation lies in its people, buried in their brain and muscles, and not in minerals underground.

Regards

Haaaa...That's deep, right? Human resource is the best resource a nation can have. No wonder Indian HDI is going up everywhere. We are likely 0.7 by now.
 
That's your interpretation.

I put it to you that I actually have people, like you, to check these irrelevant points over on my behalf.

You should certainly get the recognition you deserve for such high level functionality, but you probably won't.
I am not looking for any recognition. It is just there is a limit beyond which I find it difficult to not call out BS. I don't possess any high level or exceptional functionality either. It just so happens that I have a fair degree of familiarity with the careers of both of those individuals, among others in Trump's orbit.
 
You have just misread the world, I think it's that simple.

You have overdone it on your economy believing it's the answer to everything, even all your generals talk about is economy economy economy, missing the boat on military realities and geopolitical flux.

Okay India has somewhat of a market, it's not that much of a game changer though taking into account all the factors it is not that decisive

Trump has seized Venezuelan oil, will probably take Greenland and all of the enormous wealth that has, and tariffs are in place as well as favorable trade deals with other nations, each of these diminishes India's economic importance anyway
Quote of the day "Your generals talk about economy". What more I need to say you're simply projecting.

You don't like to discuss economy but everything else because well there is no bad news in the economy. One thing Indian leadership regardless of political affiliation has done is, steer the country clear of major economic shocks and at the end of the day the only thing that matters is the economy. It doesn't matter if some Venuzuelans are getting bombed, Ukranians are getting bombed, none of this have any effects on us other than them being positive. Trump has a very limited window to do anything he is already unpopular as a president before he even finishes a full year in office. Anyone close to him will be the fruit of the poisoned tree.
 
Quote of the day "Your generals talk about economy". What more I need to say you're simply projecting.

You don't like to discuss economy but everything else because well there is no bad news in the economy. One thing Indian leadership regardless of political affiliation has done is, steer the country clear of major economic shocks and at the end of the day the only thing that matters is the economy. It doesn't matter if some Venuzuelans are getting bombed, Ukranians are getting bombed, none of this have any effects on us other than them being positive. Trump has a very limited window to do anything he is already unpopular as a president before he even finishes a full year in office. Anyone close to him will be the fruit of the poisoned tree.


Are you saying that Trump and MAGA won't rule forever? I mean people were sure Canada was coming after India (with the aid of America, no less) and look where things are now. What happened to those killings in Canada, anyways? By 2035, we should have PCI above 5K USD and GDP of 7.5 trillion USD. Alas, we won't be important like some other countries. Tough times.
 
Now, that would start a chest thumping fest. I just want to say that I disagree with this assessment. I have said enough on the relevant thread. I suggest to keep it at that and discuss it on the relevant thread if you are too keen

Your lack of relevancy in military affairs is a big reason why America is downgrading your importance economically, I am trying to tell you they are linked

Then leave that to us. We will ask when we have to and in a manner we deem fit.

I don't think you have a choice, neither America or China want to or will divert supply chains to a huge extent to India, not as things stand now

India has no issues with that. Anyone offering us energy at competitive prices would get our dollars. If that makes US happy, then it is even better
The point you are missing is, if America is able to get richer from New avenues, whatever they are, your relative economic importance could also diminish and therefore your biggest bargaining tip
 
It would be idiotic to compare India to Turkey. What was Turkey 20 years ago? It still is nothing but what it is not is "poor". Poor countries don't become "military" power unless they are banana republic. Money is needed to build roads, do research and build ....everything.

If we ignore China, we can defend against Pakistan, even today. So I won't lose sleep over "defense". But increasing wealth would be first priority since wealth is what creates science, tech and power.

I don't know what "indispensable" even means in geopolitics but only thing "indispensable" is one's own power. India is still kicking, it is still receiving plenty of investment, and thanks precisely to these "tariffs", government is doing reforms they should have done 10 years ago. We had zero ecosystem of private engineering which is now fully alive and I only see great things in future. This is only calculation that matters to me. Not being the "best friend" of some country or worrying about some guy who will likely die before he even eaves office is not our concerned. India faced similar sh..t from Canada only few years ago and it was all 180 degree in 2 years.
Turkey is a great example because it is gaining influence in South Asia ahead of India, keep talking about economics but what is it giving you geopolitically if your region is pointed against you.

And if only the world was so simple you could slice away China from Pakistan, but when you take on Pakistan even your own media is saying you are taking on China, this is aspirational delusion
 
doesn't matter if some Venuzuelans are getting bombed, Ukranians are getting bombed, none of this have any effects on us other than them being positive
And this is why any ideas to pivot towards global South can be laughed out of the room.

I said it above, in trump's world you will not get this neat delineation of economic benefit if they also need military and geopolitical benefit. I am short trump would like to see you abandon brics for example, this is one of the vectors which is contributing to your economic downgrading to USA, as things stand
 
@r3alist bro

Trump has seized Venezuelan oil, will probably take Greenland and all of the enormous wealth that has,

May I put in a contrarian word? The wealth of a nation lies in its people, buried in their brain and muscles, and not in minerals underground.

Regards
Some might not be so wealthy then
 
Your lack of relevancy in military affairs

First of all there is no military irrelevance that many people are trying to drum up. The claim rests on a false assumption—that U.S. economic engagement with a country is primarily driven by that country’s military relevance. In reality, American economic strategy and military partnerships often diverge rather than move in lockstep.

India’s economic importance to the U.S. is not being “downgraded”,it is being recalibrated around supply-chain resilience, market access, technology, and demographics. India remains one of the fastest-growing major economies, a critical alternative manufacturing base to China, and a massive consumer market—factors that drive economic relevance independent of military alignment.

On the military front, India is not irrelevant. The fact that India maintains strategic autonomy rather than acting as a treaty ally does not equate to irrelevance. It reflects a deliberate posture that the U.S has repeatedly accommodated in practice.

Historically, the U.S. maintains deep economic ties with many states that have limited or no military alignment with it—Vietnam, Saudi Arabia (economically), and even China at its peak—demonstrating that economic engagement follows capital flows, labour, technology, and markets, not simply military obedience.

If anything, the U.S. understands that over-militarising its relationship with India would be counterproductive. India’s value lies precisely in being a non-aligned but convergent power—one that stabilises the Indo-Pacific through its own interests, not as a proxy.

So the relationship is not being weakened by “military irrelevance.” It is evolving into a multipillar partnership where economic, technological, and strategic interests intersect—but are not hierarchically dependent on each other.


I don't think you have a choice,

It is not as of it is a dead end kind of situation and it is existential dilemma for us. It is just a geopolitical reality to which India has to adjust and play. If Munir can do it, why not Modi?

The point you are missing is, if America is able to get richer from New avenues, whatever they are, your relative economic importance could also diminish and therefore your biggest bargaining tip

A powerful America is not a threat to India compared to a waning one. Waning one might do crazy stuff to stay relevant. India has been in the wrong side of the US for majority of our existence. It has been only last 15 years or so that we have got closer strategically and economically.
However, it has been opposite for Pakistan. What has Pakistan been able to achieve? Nothing. Why is that?
Because, external factors aren’t as important as the internal ones. The internal governance plays a bigger role in development of a nation. Pakistan has reached where it is due to the leaders it had, with no foresight and strategic thinking. They always thought for immediate gratification and celebrated what appeared to be a win. Same thing turned out to be a poor decision when things panned out in a while.
India hasn’t been a world beater in this aspect, but better than Pakistan.

As far as economic importance of India goes, it isn’t going anywhere. India has gained a momentum that isn’t likely to stop with one bad US administration.
 
India’s economic importance to the U.S. is not being “downgraded”,it is being recalibrated around
But that's what is being discussed within America, so I would take that view over yours. Where is India in any stated plans to reduce Chinese influence, my understanding is India is not really considered important anymore. This is what America wanted for you
If anything, the U.S. understands that over-militarising its relationship with India would be counterproductive
It's the complete opposite, they want an Indian military that is willing to have some bite against China, on the contrary your intelligentcia remain obsessed with Pakistan.


As far as economic importance of India goes, it isn’t going anywhere

Tell that to trump. What are you doing for him? America has already signed a bunch of trade deals so your bargaining power keeps dropping.
 
Where is India in any stated plans to reduce Chinese influence, my understanding is India is not really considered important anymore.
Can you show me one statement where India was in any such plans? These are all drummed up ideas of so called Think Tanks. Secondly, has US said that they are downgrading ties with India? I am sure that you would quote US actions being an indication of the same. Hasn’t US done the same with some of it’s closest allies? Canada, EU, Japan and even Australia. By that yardstick, Pakistan should have become the closest ally. After all Munir has had more number of lunches in the White House than any other world leader. Just wait for a while and we would know the price of those lunches.
It's the complete opposite, they want an Indian military that is willing to have some bite against China, on the contrary your intelligentcia remain obsessed with Pakistan.
It is all hearsay. India will do whatever bit it can manage with the resources it has. If US was expecting India to do its bidding then it should have supplied military hardware free of cost, the way it did to Pakistan under various peace gates.
No, India isn’t going to do any bidding for the US and isn’t going to be a US proxy. It never was and it never will be. If Trump didn’t understand this, then, it is not our fault.
Tell that to trump. What are you doing for him? America has already signed a bunch of trade deals so your bargaining power keeps dropping.
Some times messages are delivered better by actions.
Let Trump and his lackeys talk as of now. Navarro has gone quiet for some reason. We will see how many keep standing as time passes.
India is in no hurry to sign a trade deal like many other nations. It will sign one, when it suits India. And, Indian government understands the cost better than members on this forum.
 

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