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Vkdindian1 said:
India can do better than what it is doing. China is a good example for that comparison. India has pulled quite far ahead of Pakistan and has gained a fair amount of momentum too which takes time to build.

@Master Chief you seem to be arguing against any real differences in both the economies. There seems to be an attempt to play down Indian progress in this regard.
I asked ChatGPT, which has come out with the following summary for both the nations considering GDP as well as GNI.

“1. GDP per Capita (Average economic output per person)

GDP per capita = total GDP divided by the population
It shows how much economic output each person would get on average.

🇮🇳 India (2025 estimates)
• Nominal GDP per capita: ~ $2,878 (current USD) according to IMF. 
• GDP per capita (PPP): ~ $12,132 (international dollars, PPP) — higher due to lower cost of living in India. 

🇵🇰 Pakistan (2024 estimates)

(Most recent available data)
• Nominal GDP per capita: ~ $1,485 (current USD). 
• GDP per capita (PPP): ~ $6,287 (international dollars). 

📍 Comparison:
• India’s nominal GDP per capita is almost 1.9-2× that of Pakistan’s. 
• On a PPP basis, India’s measure is still significantly higher (reflecting greater real income adjusted for cost of living). 

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📈 2. GNI per Capita (Average income of residents)

GNI per capita = Gross National Income ÷ population
Includes income earned by residents abroad and excludes income earned by foreigners.

🇮🇳 India
• Atlas method (GNI per capita): ~ $2,650 USD (2024). 
This is an official World Bank measure using the Atlas method. 
• PPP GNI per capita: Data isn’t always directly available from the same source, but PPP adjustments show much higher relative income; for example, other indicators show India’s GNI per capita PPP around ~$11,000 in 2024. 

🇵🇰 Pakistan
• PPP GDP per capita frequently used as a proxy for GNI per capita PPP: ~ $6,287 in 2024. 

(Official World Bank data for Pakistan’s nominal GNI per capita specifically is less current in open sources but generally lower than India’s Atlas figure.)

📍 Comparison:
• India’s nominal GNI per capita (~$2,650) is clearly higher than Pakistan’s nominal income per person. 
• In PPP terms, average income adjusted for cost of living remains higher in India than in Pakistan, though the PPP gap (like GDP PPP per capita) is narrower than in nominal terms. “

I do think that the Indian figures are so much higher than Pakistan and anything to gloat about. Since, the number of poor, malnourished, jobless etc can be found galore in India and we are nowhere near, where we should have been.

At the same time Pakistanis need to start accepting the fact that they are missing the bus everyday. I don’t see any radical economic reforms taking place in Pakistan that can propel your economy the way it is required to be done.
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Pakistan's per capita GDP was once higher than India's , but India was fortunate to have less corrupt politicians and generals.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
India can do better than what it is doing. China is a good example for that comparison. India has pulled quite far ahead of Pakistan and has gained a fair amount of momentum too which takes time to build.

@Master Chief you seem to be arguing against any real differences in both the economies. There seems to be an attempt to play down Indian progress in this regard.
I asked ChatGPT, which has come out with the following summary for both the nations considering GDP as well as GNI.

“1. GDP per Capita (Average economic output per person)

GDP per capita = total GDP divided by the population
It shows how much economic output each person would get on average.

🇮🇳 India (2025 estimates)
• Nominal GDP per capita: ~ $2,878 (current USD) according to IMF. 
• GDP per capita (PPP): ~ $12,132 (international dollars, PPP) — higher due to lower cost of living in India. 

🇵🇰 Pakistan (2024 estimates)

(Most recent available data)
• Nominal GDP per capita: ~ $1,485 (current USD). 
• GDP per capita (PPP): ~ $6,287 (international dollars). 

📍 Comparison:
• India’s nominal GDP per capita is almost 1.9-2× that of Pakistan’s. 
• On a PPP basis, India’s measure is still significantly higher (reflecting greater real income adjusted for cost of living). 

⸻

📈 2. GNI per Capita (Average income of residents)

GNI per capita = Gross National Income ÷ population
Includes income earned by residents abroad and excludes income earned by foreigners.

🇮🇳 India
• Atlas method (GNI per capita): ~ $2,650 USD (2024). 
This is an official World Bank measure using the Atlas method. 
• PPP GNI per capita: Data isn’t always directly available from the same source, but PPP adjustments show much higher relative income; for example, other indicators show India’s GNI per capita PPP around ~$11,000 in 2024. 

🇵🇰 Pakistan
• PPP GDP per capita frequently used as a proxy for GNI per capita PPP: ~ $6,287 in 2024. 

(Official World Bank data for Pakistan’s nominal GNI per capita specifically is less current in open sources but generally lower than India’s Atlas figure.)

📍 Comparison:
• India’s nominal GNI per capita (~$2,650) is clearly higher than Pakistan’s nominal income per person. 
• In PPP terms, average income adjusted for cost of living remains higher in India than in Pakistan, though the PPP gap (like GDP PPP per capita) is narrower than in nominal terms. “

I do think that the Indian figures are so much higher than Pakistan and anything to gloat about. Since, the number of poor, malnourished, jobless etc can be found galore in India and we are nowhere near, where we should have been.

At the same time Pakistanis need to start accepting the fact that they are missing the bus everyday. I don’t see any radical economic reforms taking place in Pakistan that can propel your economy the way it is required to be done.
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No doubt Indian GDP per capita is still better than Pakistan's, but the difference is less dramatic than the absolute GDP difference. I never attempted to imply otherwise. I was simply pointing out to your nation's chief sympathiser on this forum that it is a better metric to use when comparing countries (which was the incessant claim of this individual) than absolute GDP. I'll leave at that.
 
Owaiz said:
Pakistan's per capita GDP was once higher than India's , but India was fortunate to have less corrupt politicians and generals.
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That is a well documented fact. Till late 80s, the overall performance of Pak economy was much better. There was less visible poverty as seen by visitors. 1991 economic reforms were the game changing event for us.

I still say that we are far short of where we should be. Malnutrition is rampant, so is poverty, homelessness, joblessness etc etc. But, atleast the work is on. Not as good as Chinese but somewhere there in right direction.

Pakistan hasn’t yet seen it’s 1991 moment. And I don’t see it happening under a Field Marshal worried about consolidating his power.
 
@Owaiz sb

but India was fortunate to have less corrupt politicians and generals.

Not really. What we were fortunate in having was that a system was in place, which could provide some stability and action. Pak's hybrid, personality-oriented system doesn't provide that.

Regards
 
USA has put tariffs on Indian Basmati rice.

I remember Iran did barter deal with India in the past, oil for Basmati. The silliest trade that one can imagine.

Thanks to sanctions we are not bartering something that takes millions of years to be produced for something that grows within less than a year.

Close to Aras River, norther Iran are producing high quality rice and thanks to sanctions again, Iranian farmers are selling their products with a decent price and are not sidelined by Indian Basmati that honestly tastes plastic.

What will India with all those Basmati products i wonder?
 
muhammed45 said:
USA has put tariffs on Indian Basmati rice.

I remember Iran did barter deal with India in the past, oil for Basmati. The silliest trade that one can imagine.

Thanks to sanctions we are not bartering something that takes millions of years to be produced for something that grows within less than a year.

Close to Aras River, norther Iran are producing high quality rice and thanks to sanctions again, Iranian farmers are selling their products with a decent price and are not sidelined by Indian Basmati that honestly tastes plastic.

What will India with all those Basmati products i wonder?
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Your angst is real! Do you know that Indian export of rice to US is "small" wrt overall export? Biggest client of Indian rice is Saudi Arabia. It is already tariffed at 53% in USA and still doing business? So wonder no more since it is none of your business!
 
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US Seeks India’s Help To Counter China’s Rare Earth Grip — While Keeping 50 Per Cent Tariffs On Indian Goods​

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India left out of US-led coalition to counter China’s rare earth dominance

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What is Pax Silica Initiative? The US-led grouping that excluded India

The US-led Pax Silica initiative, designed to secure critical mineral and tech supply chains and curb China’s dominance, excludes India, as Washington and New Delhi remain locked in trade negotiations following President Trump’s tariffs on Indian exports.
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The US-led Pax Silica initiative, designed to secure critical mineral and tech supply chains and curb China’s dominance, excludes India, as Washington and New Delhi remain locked in trade negotiations following President Trump’s tariffs on Indian exports.​

 
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SoulSpokesman said:
@Khanivore

Here we go again.

Well how would it help if tariffs were increased from 50% to say 100%?

Regards
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Well it won’t really “help” in a positive sense. Jumping from 50% to 100% tariffs will just make Indian exports uncompetitive overnight, so trade is impacted. It hurts Indian exporters first, but also hits US importers and consumers with higher prices.
 
Wondering what happened to many of the Trumps boys who have gone quiet against Modi? Navarro used to give one statement daily but hasn’t said a word for more than a month.

I had heard that India was reducing the purchase of Russian oil but the latest data shows that it has been rising and likely to be highest ever in next a couple of months.

Additional tariffs were imposed in Aug end. India hasn’t yet given in to coercion indicated by no let up on Russian oil.

It seems that India is making a statement in action and not words.
 
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