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onlinpunit said:
So Rolls Royce is offerong their engine ! Why are you dissing it ?
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They may offer you an engine for sale, but there is no way they will give you the crown jewels of jet engine manufacturing of the sensitive parts for the sale.
 
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Funny timing on the "roadblock". My guess is US gave Indians two fingers when it came to ToT.

RR will be happy to flog India a liscence for the EJ200. Looks like AMCA has already started to go the way of Tejas....
 
Yasser76 said:
Funny timing on the "roadblock". My guess is US gave Indians two fingers when it came to ToT.

RR will be happy to flog India a liscence for the EJ200. Looks like AMCA has already started to go the way of Tejas....
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I don't see RR being any more generous in TOT than GE was. The Indians have very unrealistic expectations of this small pot of coins will get them.
 
Ali_Baba said:
I don't see RR being any more generous in TOT than GE was. The Indians have very unrealistic expectations of this small pot of coins will get them.
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That has been their problem for last 20 years, they seem to think they are the centre of gravity as the world moves on. Now European defence spending is on a rapid rise, European defence companies will prioritise Europe, US defence companies have always prioritised the US. After that it is Middle East.

Indians overblown estimation of it's own bargaining power often works against it, resulting in long drawn out negotiations that often end with a small per unit buy at a much higher per unit price, almost as if they are negotiating against themsleves.

This approached worked well with Russia in the 90s post USSR collapse where they picked up SU-30, T-90s and get some tech transfer. They now think this will work with Dassault and RR who have cutting edge tech and massive order backlog.

Only Indians can think like this....
 
Yasser76 said:
That has been their problem for last 20 years, they seem to think they are the centre of gravity as the world moves on. Now European defence spending is on a rapid rise, European defence companies will prioritise Europe, US defence companies have always prioritised the US. After that it is Middle East.

Indians overblown estimation of it's own bargaining power often works against it, resulting in long drawn out negotiations that often end with a small per unit buy at a much higher per unit price, almost as if they are negotiating against themsleves.

This approached worked well with Russia in the 90s post USSR collapse where they picked up SU-30, T-90s and get some tech transfer. They now think this will work with Dassault and RR who have cutting edge tech and massive order backlog.

Only Indians can think like this....
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China spent tens of billions of dollars, and decades developing this engine technology and it seems they may have crossed that line of success with the WS-15 engine. Türkiye is going through that same learning process now for the KAAN engine, they have spent decades building the core infrastructure, people and institutions to get to that point. Japan has engine manufacturers, but they have not managed to cross the line of developing fast jet engines, when they do, they will pay the price in coin to develop that technology. Same goes for Korea who are now looking to start their own fast jet engine development project for the KF-21. France has an aerospace manufacturer of engines, but even with all that France has, it lags behind the UK in this field.

Fast jet military engines are hard to develop, really hard.

All this is because this technology costs serious serious money to develop and alot of time and you need deep institutions and a good quality university network to help.

Yet, India expects this countries to give over their hard earned technology for pennies on the dollar and they wonder why they don't get anywhere.
 
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THe $20mn per unit cost is of the 5th gen engine to be co-developed. Not F414.
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