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onlinpunit said:
So Rolls Royce is offerong their engine ! Why are you dissing it ?
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They may offer you an engine for sale, but there is no way they will give you the crown jewels of jet engine manufacturing of the sensitive parts for the sale.
 
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Funny timing on the "roadblock". My guess is US gave Indians two fingers when it came to ToT.

RR will be happy to flog India a liscence for the EJ200. Looks like AMCA has already started to go the way of Tejas....
 
Yasser76 said:
Funny timing on the "roadblock". My guess is US gave Indians two fingers when it came to ToT.

RR will be happy to flog India a liscence for the EJ200. Looks like AMCA has already started to go the way of Tejas....
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I don't see RR being any more generous in TOT than GE was. The Indians have very unrealistic expectations of this small pot of coins will get them.
 
Ali_Baba said:
I don't see RR being any more generous in TOT than GE was. The Indians have very unrealistic expectations of this small pot of coins will get them.
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That has been their problem for last 20 years, they seem to think they are the centre of gravity as the world moves on. Now European defence spending is on a rapid rise, European defence companies will prioritise Europe, US defence companies have always prioritised the US. After that it is Middle East.

Indians overblown estimation of it's own bargaining power often works against it, resulting in long drawn out negotiations that often end with a small per unit buy at a much higher per unit price, almost as if they are negotiating against themsleves.

This approached worked well with Russia in the 90s post USSR collapse where they picked up SU-30, T-90s and get some tech transfer. They now think this will work with Dassault and RR who have cutting edge tech and massive order backlog.

Only Indians can think like this....
 
Yasser76 said:
That has been their problem for last 20 years, they seem to think they are the centre of gravity as the world moves on. Now European defence spending is on a rapid rise, European defence companies will prioritise Europe, US defence companies have always prioritised the US. After that it is Middle East.

Indians overblown estimation of it's own bargaining power often works against it, resulting in long drawn out negotiations that often end with a small per unit buy at a much higher per unit price, almost as if they are negotiating against themsleves.

This approached worked well with Russia in the 90s post USSR collapse where they picked up SU-30, T-90s and get some tech transfer. They now think this will work with Dassault and RR who have cutting edge tech and massive order backlog.

Only Indians can think like this....
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China spent tens of billions of dollars, and decades developing this engine technology and it seems they may have crossed that line of success with the WS-15 engine. Türkiye is going through that same learning process now for the KAAN engine, they have spent decades building the core infrastructure, people and institutions to get to that point. Japan has engine manufacturers, but they have not managed to cross the line of developing fast jet engines, when they do, they will pay the price in coin to develop that technology. Same goes for Korea who are now looking to start their own fast jet engine development project for the KF-21. France has an aerospace manufacturer of engines, but even with all that France has, it lags behind the UK in this field.

Fast jet military engines are hard to develop, really hard.

All this is because this technology costs serious serious money to develop and alot of time and you need deep institutions and a good quality university network to help.

Yet, India expects this countries to give over their hard earned technology for pennies on the dollar and they wonder why they don't get anywhere.
 
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THe $20mn per unit cost is of the 5th gen engine to be co-developed. Not F414.
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India considers UK, France for 5th generation AMCA as talks for GE engines stall: Report​

June 24, 2026, 14:18:05 IST

India considers UK, France for 5th generation AMCA as talks for GE engines stall: Report

A model of the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) at display. (Photo: X/RMO India)

As talks with General Aerospace have stalled, India is considering British and French engines for the fifth-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project, according to CNN-News18.

Sources said that General Aerospace has demanded a price nearly three times higher for the GE F414-INS6 engine, which was originally expected to cost Rs 70-80 crore per unit.

Sources further said negotiations have also stalled over technology transfer, licensed manufacturing, maintenance and overhaul facilities, spares, warranties, and long-term support arrangements.

Sources said India is currently considering switching to engines from France’s Safran and Britain’s Rolls-Royce. India already uses Safran engines in Rafale and Mirage fighter aircraft.

India had previously selected American General Aerospace’s GE F414-INS6, the highest-thrust variant of the GE F414 engine, for the AMCA Mark 1 as well as the Tejas Mark 2, which is currently under production. But the arrangement had been problematic well before the present hurdle as deliveries of GE F414-INS6 engines have been delayed by several years, pushing back deliveries of Tejas Mark 2 aircraft.

Originally, India was expected to equip the first two to four squadrons —36 to 72 aircraft— of the AMCA with GE F414 engines.

Under the AMCA programme, India plans to develop an indigenous fifth-generation stealth fighter aircraft. The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is responsible for designing the aircraft and executing the project in partnership with a manufacturer yet to be selected. The ADA has previously said it aims to have five prototypes ready and conduct the first test flight before the end of 2028.

While officials have not disclosed specifics, reports have said India could eventually acquire more than 100 AMCA fighter aircraft.

Separately, India is also in the process of acquiring 114 Rafale fighter aircraft under the Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) project.

The development comes at a time when the Indian Air Force’s strength is at an all-time low. Analysts have said India needs the rapid induction of fighter aircraft to maintain preparedness against the dual threats posed by China and Pakistan.

 
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