niubi
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To produce knock off turbofan engines requires you to understand all the physics, establish the industrial base, establish the institutes, engineers, scientists, technicians, tools, manufacturing equipment and technologies.
Only after all that and many, many years and many, many tries and learning paths can one even produce a functional knock off. India has not even been able to do this and has chasm gaps in having all the former stuff listed above. India requires someone to come in and fill all the gaps and because of this, it will never be truly able to independently manufacture any turbofan, let alone have 4 distinct fighter low bypass turbofans and have at least 2 of those already hit >10 year service and all of them being mass produced at some point (WS-13 is phased out and WS-21 is the successor while the WS-19 is the successor to the WS-21 but PLAN prefers mature engines for carrier use so is waiting for WS-19 sea based variant to hit a threshold in service years and maturity on test aircraft).
The physics, establish the industrial base, establish the institutes, engineers, scientists, technicians, tools, manufacturing equipment and technologies. This stuff in the really difficult one.
Easy to say the words knock off but no one else is capable and now with WS-15, WS-21, CJ-1000 and future turbofans currently being designed and tested, knock off is a thing of the past and a good starting point to establishing:
The physics, establish the industrial base, establish the institutes, engineers, scientists, technicians, tools, manufacturing equipment and technologies.
Within each of these are fundamental basis (level of wealth, level of pay, level of overall infrastructure, energy availability, food availability, labs, and many more social aspects) which most nations don't have and so cannot do (except the 5 that have turbofan industries and some outside these 5 like Germany and Japan). Within each of these are decades of refinement and work and tens to hundreds of billions dollars worth.
Indian decision makers understand this well and know to get to step 1, step 0 needs to be done to some degree. So India knowing it has barely gathered step 0, only pursues ToT and joint ventures where those gaps can be filled and working products can be procured for use. That's what's important to IAF, products that can be used. The politician's job is to make India independent of those joint ventures.
Kaveri original project proved to Indian decision makers and those in the know that the full spectrum of mastery is beyond what India has and can offer. If this isn't the case, they would persist with Indian developed and manufactured Kaveri. Now it's basically going to be a SNECMA/SAFRAN product rebadged.
Only after all that and many, many years and many, many tries and learning paths can one even produce a functional knock off. India has not even been able to do this and has chasm gaps in having all the former stuff listed above. India requires someone to come in and fill all the gaps and because of this, it will never be truly able to independently manufacture any turbofan, let alone have 4 distinct fighter low bypass turbofans and have at least 2 of those already hit >10 year service and all of them being mass produced at some point (WS-13 is phased out and WS-21 is the successor while the WS-19 is the successor to the WS-21 but PLAN prefers mature engines for carrier use so is waiting for WS-19 sea based variant to hit a threshold in service years and maturity on test aircraft).
The physics, establish the industrial base, establish the institutes, engineers, scientists, technicians, tools, manufacturing equipment and technologies. This stuff in the really difficult one.
Easy to say the words knock off but no one else is capable and now with WS-15, WS-21, CJ-1000 and future turbofans currently being designed and tested, knock off is a thing of the past and a good starting point to establishing:
The physics, establish the industrial base, establish the institutes, engineers, scientists, technicians, tools, manufacturing equipment and technologies.
Within each of these are fundamental basis (level of wealth, level of pay, level of overall infrastructure, energy availability, food availability, labs, and many more social aspects) which most nations don't have and so cannot do (except the 5 that have turbofan industries and some outside these 5 like Germany and Japan). Within each of these are decades of refinement and work and tens to hundreds of billions dollars worth.
Indian decision makers understand this well and know to get to step 1, step 0 needs to be done to some degree. So India knowing it has barely gathered step 0, only pursues ToT and joint ventures where those gaps can be filled and working products can be procured for use. That's what's important to IAF, products that can be used. The politician's job is to make India independent of those joint ventures.
Kaveri original project proved to Indian decision makers and those in the know that the full spectrum of mastery is beyond what India has and can offer. If this isn't the case, they would persist with Indian developed and manufactured Kaveri. Now it's basically going to be a SNECMA/SAFRAN product rebadged.
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and report suggests there are still 42 in storage which in my opinion we should immediately buy before they go to some other country...
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