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[indo17787]

Your point is valid!

The J-10CE fighter launched a PL-15E beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile. The missile's warhead detonated near the Rafale fighter, releasing a massive number of tungsten alloy pellets. These pellets struck the Rafale.

So, it was actually these tungsten alloy pellets that shot down the Rafale, not the J-10CE itself. The J-10CE did not technically shoot down the Rafale—because the Rafale never even saw the J-10CE, and the "Godzilla" pilots had no idea who had taken them down. From their perspective, the J-10CE had not participated in the engagement at all.

I agree with your point!

Your PL-15Es apparently forgot the part where they were supposed to find an aircraft and instead completed their mission by delivering their hardware to Punjab. They travelled deep into Punjab, enrolled themselves in India's defence laboratories and brought their own course material with them: seeker sections, guidance hardware, datalink components, propulsion hardware and even unexploded missiles reported recovered intact. Indians didn't have to spend years spying on China to get a close look at the export PL-15. PAF simply fired the samples across the border. Very considerate of the PAF, really. We didn't even have to buy one. Most countries charge money before delivering technology demonstrators to foreign R&D laboratories.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

J-10CE didn't shoot down a Rafale. Period.

One only rafale was down, there is sufficient evidence... Not more than 1 Rafale, rest are useless claims..

Possible others 1 su30 mki and 1 mig29 or Mirage... For three had evidence that were down... Not more than three aircrafts

 

[White Privilege]

Your PL-15Es apparently forgot the part where they were supposed to find an aircraft and instead completed their mission by delivering their hardware to Punjab. They travelled deep into Punjab, enrolled themselves in India's defence laboratories and brought their own course material with them: seeker sections, guidance hardware, datalink components, propulsion hardware and even unexploded missiles reported recovered intact. Indians didn't have to spend years spying on China to get a close look at the export PL-15. PAF simply fired the samples across the border. Very considerate of the PAF, really. We didn't even have to buy one. Most countries charge money before delivering technology demonstrators to foreign R&D laboratories.
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Here is what u can do with the PL-15E u found

 

[indo17787]

One only rafale was down, there is sufficient evidence... Not more than 1 Rafale, rest are useless claims..

Possible others 1 su30 mki and 1 mig29 or Mirage... For three had evidence that were down... Not more than three aircrafts

Keep your mouth shut when you have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about.

 

[Michael]

J-10CE didn't shoot down a Rafale. Period.

One only rafale was down, there is sufficient evidence... Not more than 1 Rafale, rest are useless claims..

You two Indian fools should first reach a consensus on this issue before we proceed with the debate.

Note: To date, Chinese officials have not specified how many Rafales the J-10CE shot down; they have merely stated that the J-10CE shot down Rafales. Therefore, your debate should focus on whether an IAF Rafale was shot down by a PAF J-10CE, rather than getting hung up on the number of aircraft involved.

Your PL-15Es apparently forgot the part where they were supposed to find an aircraft and instead completed their mission by delivering their hardware to Punjab. They travelled deep into Punjab, enrolled themselves in India's defence laboratories and brought their own course material with them: seeker sections, guidance hardware, datalink components, propulsion hardware and even unexploded missiles reported recovered intact. Indians didn't have to spend years spying on China to get a close look at the export PL-15. PAF simply fired the samples across the border. Very considerate of the PAF, really. We didn't even have to buy one. Most countries charge money before delivering technology demonstrators to foreign R&D laboratories.
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I know you are chronologically older, but I consider your IQ to be at the level of a "kid." So, I’m going to call you "Kid."

Kid, I happen to have a PL-15E here too; if you need it, I can sell it to you for the rock-bottom price of $10,000. Oh, just a heads-up: payment is required before shipping, though I’ll cover the transport costs.

 

[indo17787]

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

You two Indian fools should first reach a consensus on this issue before we proceed with the debate.

Note: To date, Chinese officials have not specified how many Rafales the J-10CE shot down; they have merely stated that the J-10CE shot down Rafales. Therefore, your debate should focus on whether an IAF Rafale was shot down by a PAF J-10CE, rather than getting hung up on the number of aircraft involved.

I know you are chronologically older, but I consider your IQ to be at the level of a "kid." So, I’m going to call you "Kid."

Kid, I happen to have a PL-15E here too; if you need it, I can sell it to you for the rock-bottom price of $10,000. Oh, just a heads-up: payment is required before shipping, though I’ll cover the transport costs.
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You are the bigger fool, who believe on the useless claims without backing any evidence

India and Pakistan, both sides did not disclosed their losses during the war.

For example, if a Pakistani AWs aircraft was destroyed while it was in a hangar, it may never get clarity about it. Such information can remain undisclosed because countries generally avoid publicly acknowledging their own military losses during wartime. This is quite normal in conflicts—both sides tend to highlight the losses they inflicted on the enemy and followed by propaganda claims while being much more cautious about admitting their own losses.

I said, as per the available evidences during the time.. rest you can believe on useless claims.. this is your wish, I can not control on it.

 

[indo17787]

 

[Yasser76]

Your PL-15Es apparently forgot the part where they were supposed to find an aircraft and instead completed their mission by delivering their hardware to Punjab. They travelled deep into Punjab, enrolled themselves in India's defence laboratories and brought their own course material with them: seeker sections, guidance hardware, datalink components, propulsion hardware and even unexploded missiles reported recovered intact. Indians didn't have to spend years spying on China to get a close look at the export PL-15. PAF simply fired the samples across the border. Very considerate of the PAF, really. We didn't even have to buy one. Most countries charge money before delivering technology demonstrators to foreign R&D laboratories.
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Oh this is great, a country that cannot integrate weapons on foreign platforms will not completely copy a PL-15?
First make Tejas MK2 get into service then focus on your wet dreams of copying a 16 year old tech missile. Only Indians can think like this and it's a blessing for us...

 

[Yasser76]

One only rafale was down, there is sufficient evidence... Not more than 1 Rafale, rest are useless claims..

Possible others 1 su30 mki and 1 mig29 or Mirage... For three had evidence that were down... Not more than three aircrafts

"Only one saaar"

Rest of the world = 4, possibly another 4 written off

 

[Yasser76]

Keep your mouth shut when you have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about.

"Shaaaaat up saaar!"

 

[Yasser76]

You are the bigger fool, who believe on the useless claims without backing any evidence

India and Pakistan, both sides did not disclosed their losses during the war.

For example, if a Pakistani AWs aircraft was destroyed while it was in a hangar, it may never get clarity about it. Such information can remain undisclosed because countries generally avoid publicly acknowledging their own military losses during wartime. This is quite normal in conflicts—both sides tend to highlight the losses they inflicted on the enemy and followed by propaganda claims while being much more cautious about admitting their own losses.

I said, as per the available evidences during the time.. rest you can believe on useless claims.. this is your wish, I can not control on it.

Lying will not help you, PAF disclosed damage immediately, IAF has still not disclosed losses, despite rest of the world (not Pakistan, the world) estimating 8-11 planes lost

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Lying will not help you, PAF disclosed damage immediately, IAF has still not disclosed losses, despite rest of the world (not Pakistan, the world) estimating 8-11 planes lost

False claims without evidence, made for owl people fell happy.. Nothing more..

No point to discuss anything without any evidence

 

[Yasser76]

False claims without evidence, made for owl people fell happy.. Nothing more..

No point to discuss anything without any evidence

So Pakistan fooled the entire world? Wow, impressive heh?

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

So Pakistan fooled the entire world? Wow, impressive heh?

The entire world is not Pakistan. If Pakistan makes a claim that it destroyed 20 aircraft, that is a Pakistani claim—not independent confirmation.

Please don't cite statements from the Pakistan Air Force, ISPR, or Pakistani officials as if they are third-party verification. Those references are useful for knowing what Pakistan is claiming, but they don't independently establish that the claim is true. all media reports are only about the claims made by someone.

Anyway, I don’t want to waste any more time discussing unverified claims without credible evidence.