Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

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M.K Bhadrakumar

What a chronicle of wasted time India and Pakistan are presenting! One had thought that the ‘peace dividend’ of the war in Afghanistan should do a world of good for India-Pakistan relations. But the opposite has happened. If the two countries are incapable of living in amity even after decades, why not seek the help of friendly countries to promote reconciliation? There is nothing obnoxious about it.

Some hard lessons need to be drawn. First and foremost, the raison d’être of India’s diplomacy in Kabul should be firmly and exclusively anchored on a bilateral grid of mutual benefit and mutual respect pivoting on friendship at people-to-people level. The temptation to reduce the Indo-Afghan cooperation as a ‘second front’ against Pakistan will always be there so long as Delhi harbours an adversarial mindset toward Islamabad, but we should be abundantly cautious not to create misperceptions in the Pakistani mind and end up adding yet another dimension to the boiling cauldron of existing differences, disputes and discords. The point is, the break-up in 1971 is a searing memory still in the Pakistani psyche, which it can only exorcise with some Indian help and understanding.

This calls for a deliberately passive diplomacy strategy to adapt to partner needs of Afghan friends while safeguarding India’s interests in the region. To my mind, the main platform must be in economic terms. Indians are agile enough to prepare such a precise and systematic strategy.

Second, the present crisis has exposed that while the world opinion is supportive of India’s concerns over terrorism, it is not inclined to put the entire blame on Pakistan, as some of us would have probably liked. Put differently, the world opinion also empathises with Pakistan as a victim of terrorism. Terrorism poses an existential threat to Pakistan manifold in gravity compared to what India faces. And something of the Pakistani allegations with regard to an ‘Indian hand’ may have come to stick in the world opinion even if not audible.

Third, most important, taking the above factors into account, the law of diminishing returns is at work in our decade-old strategy to slam the door shut on Pakistan, refuse to talk to Pakistan, spurn their overtures for dialogue. If the US can bring itself to have dialogue with Russia and Iran (or, conceivably, with North Korea in a near future) despite the backlog of very hostile relationships, we need to sense that in the emerging world order, dialogue is the preferred mode in inter-state relationship and it must be fostered with all means available.

The bottom line is, there has never been and never can be absolute security. No lesser a realist than Henry Kissinger highlighted the basic flaw in any quest for absolute security: “The desire of one power for absolute security means the absolute insecurity for all the others.”

When it comes to the South Asian region, this is even more so, as common security takes on special significance and urgency in the context of the nuclear stockpile and a sensitive flashpoint in the Himalayas and, of course, the strategic pivot of the region itself. Therefore, the attempt to resolve the Kashmir dispute unilaterally during the past six-year period since 2019 without any consultation / participation by Pakistan (or China, for that matter) is futile and betrays hubris.

This hindu has aftermath wisdom, any disputes in future between pakistan and bharatia will be resolved on battlefields. They closed the door for talks permanently, that is the price of nazi supremacist ideology which prevails in their political circles.
 
A rickshaw puller in India can afford atta, pay for electricity, and still dream of sending his son to become an engineer, something that was once only a middle class aspiration. That’s the kind of social mobility India offers, even at the lowest rungs.

In Pakistan, forget engineering, your middle class is struggling to keep the lights on, let alone fund aspirations. So yes, it’s entirely fair to say quality of life in India is far ahead, and no amount of emotional spin can change that.
Check 2023 Hunger Index. India is at #111, below most of the poorest African countries
Pakistan, Bangladeh and Srilanka are at 102, 80 and 60 respectively. So just huffing and puffing based on Godi Media propaganda is nothing. Hunger Index alone proves that your nation is far more malnourished and deprived of food compared to any other country in south Asia. I see Indians insulting Bangladesh/Pakistan, etc saying they have no food to eat while India is certifiably worse than Bangladesh alone, by a margin of 30 countries. Its atrocious and shameful. I have met countless Indians in KSA who come from smaller cities and towns, and who tell me that they do not get any electricity at all, for more than half a day.

Yes India has a large GDP of 4 Trillion USD, but it is only because you have an out of control population of 1.5 Billion. Even this 4 Trillion USD is a bad joke when you compare countries with same populations as India. The GDP "per Capita" of India is no better than anyone else. If Pakistani population was extrapolated to that of India, Pakistan's GDP would balloon to 4.35 Trillion USD, higher than India currently has. so a 4 Trillion USD economy is nothing compared to the population that you have.

So please stop this BS about India doing so well, etc. The World is not stupid anymore to believe your uncalled for chest thumping. Maybe if you stopped blaming everyone around you all the time and questioned your own Govt for once, you'd be doing somewhat better compared to others.
 
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The majority of Indians are duped by the media into thinking Pakistan is some lawless land where people sport kajal, talk in ji huzoor language and gun trotting militants roam free.

This narrative is built further when the government bans all sorts of documentary or people to people contact so that they can’t see the real Pakistan.

Sure, Pakistan has rampant poverty with endless corruption. The majority Pakistanis have no qualms taking their institutions to task.

Going further, majority of people live in an agrarian society and are self sufficient. So it’s a phenomenon of Indians living in glass houses and completely oblivious. The RSS ideology is working well for these folks.

Advise to Indians, is to control your side of Kashmir. You’ve got 700k armed personnels in the valley and ask questions of your government who failed miserably to protect the lives of innocent.
One thing about so called corruption, first step for containing is that to recognize it as fundamental part of human nature and that you will never be able to defeat it.
What you can do it is to contain it in acceptable margins by implementing administrative controlled instruments on low/mid levels of society, digital era that we live in provided rather efficient tools for that, rest is up to political will.
 
So many here rambling about freedom, democracy, UN resolutions, and international law as if Pakistan has any moral high ground. Your own elections are decided in army barracks, not ballot boxes. Leaders are handpicked, not elected.

You shout about international order when it suits you, but conveniently forget that sponsoring jihadists, training militants, and exporting terrorism were never part of any UN mandate or global norms. Spare us the selective outrage.

As for the endless proposals to revive non-state actors, been there, tried that, failed spectacularly. You didn’t stop because of wisdom or peace, but because it backfired and became unsustainable. India has moved on. We'll do what serves our interests, whether or not it fits your narrative of “fairness” or “legality.”

But hey, keep going. I’m sure this thread will cross 1,000 pages.
What’s that got to do with this terror attack? Why not allow an investigation led independently so it can confirm who did what and when?
Attempting to point at Pakistan and morals - yet attempting to cut water?
When India is regularly exporting terror in Balochistan and Afghanistan - you can’t sit and point at others.
 
Article 370 in 2019

India will not backtrack on Article 370.

, but now, after a long time Pakistan seems to be standing its ground, is on a diplomatic offensive

Pakistan has ZERO clout in the international community. If India's offensive (diplomatic or otherwise) has stalled, it is purely because the global powers don't want India to get uppity and want it to remain within its bounds. Also, nobody wants a war that may escalate into a nucler exchange.

All this has nothing to do with Pakistan's imaginary diplomatic or economic power.

It seems delusions of grandeur are not confined to Indians but also some Pakistanis.
 
When India is regularly exporting terror in Balochistan and Afghanistan - you can’t sit and point at others.

I guess it took India a few decades to realise that two can play this game
 
I guess it took India a few decades to realise that two can play this game
Now you are admitting India sponsoring terrorism. Good man. So stop twaddling on this thread where Pakistan members have the freedom to express their grievances - their feelings and where they can point out that they now believe this is a false flag approach.
 
Now you are admitting India sponsoring terrorism. Good man. So stop twaddling on this thread where Pakistan members have the freedom to express their grievances - their feelings and where they can point out that they now believe this is a false flag approach.

Alright, my apologies, didn’t mean to interrupt. Please continue sharing your deeply held beliefs and theories.
 
India will not backtrack on Article 370.



Pakistan has ZERO clout in the international community. If India's offensive (diplomatic or otherwise) has stalled, it is purely because the global powers don't want India to get uppity and want it to remain within its bounds. Also, nobody wants a war that may escalate into a nucler exchange.

All this has nothing to do with Pakistan's imaginary diplomatic or economic power.

It seems delusions of grandeur are not confined to Indians but also some Pakistanis.
I see good reasoning in your writing but what you propose, capitulation to their demands?
Only way to reverse Pakistan position is fight by any means necessary, is it comfortable, sure no, will it require sacrifice and suffering, it is guaranteed but what other choice you have?
 
Alright, my apologies, didn’t mean to interrupt. Please continue sharing your deeply held beliefs and theories.
Look yaar
Pakistan is hardly a bed of roses. Massive faults and I’m not here denying.
What I am pointing out is 2 nukes powers are at stand off and it’s certainly uncomfortable when chests are being stuck out. Indians comparing Pakistan to Hamas
For example is ridiculous. You then rightly get a response pointing out Indian duplicity.
Let’s hope sanity prevails - a de escalation.
 
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