Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[hydrabadi_arab]

OIC stayed neutral in 2019, not anymore.

 

[Cesur]

There is nothing new about this happening. India has been doing this since last decades. I have been reading such news almost every year. Now its just in headlines because of the current ongoing issue. The only difference this time is that India did not give a notice, like they usually do. Earlier Pakistan used to get notices so we used to have plans ready on how to release our own reservoirs. This time it will be a little more complex to do it, but still, our needs can be met.

What we do need to worry about, is to build emergency reserves of water and Dams in the next 8 - 10 years ASAP, before India starts blocking more and more water. We need to be able to store enough water from our own ice/rainfalls to stop caring about inflow of water from India.

Just today I was watching a debate on Geo news where some independent experts were grilling PMLN/PPP/PTI politicians for not working on Dams and all of them were busy blaming each other. And the experts were warning to them to stop fighting each other and start acting from now. that is the real issue.

Let India pour billions into building dams, and have Pakistan turn that investment into a liability by striking those dams with missiles.

 

[r3alist]

The most idiotic statement by the baffoon Khawaja Asif is going to bite back Pak Army and ISI in many ways. Imagine, he passed such stupid statement in these times when a terror attack just happened in India and they are using their full diplomatic power to lay blame on Pakistan.

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My only problem is his statement is admission of Pakistan's terror sponsoring (he as a defense minister). When its largely untrue in current era. Pakistan did what it did was till 20th century. In this century there's way more terror attacks sponsored by india / RAW in Pakistan. Their footprints are all over the place but do they ever admit it like this. I mean Pakistan a victim of terror, 80K people lost to terrorism and yet you are validating the blame of enemy, instead you should have been telling the world of the massive indian sponsored terror operations in Pakistan. Its crazy, how damaging this form47 illegitimate govt has become.

I posted before

The response I thknk is the statement was in reference to cooperation with the usa, not pak alone, and past tense open information and history


Why is that so newsworthy?

 

[Pakistan First]

The plan is different. This time, we will stop and release water at our discretion. And you can't do nothing about it.

If you want to do something about this red line India has crossed quite deliberately and openly, please attack us. If you can't attack and want to just scream at India, this is actually called frothing at the mouth.

With all due respect, Mod.

That's what indian media has done to your brain cells. You think water can be stopped & released like that?

There are no illegal reservoirs on 3 western rivers. First thing is to spend hundreds of billions of dollars and decades to build massive reservoirs on most difficult terrain. Once you do that then you can come and talk about it.

There's no point in attacking india when it has not even started construction of any illegal dam on the western rivers yet.

How satisfying it would be, once India had completeled the construction spending decades of work and billions of dollars and one missile will appear and blast it away as a inauguration gift from Pakistan

 

[Baibers_1260]

They are stopping the water to pakistan. What is pak army going to do about the water stoppage by India?

@Amir
2022 the Russians destroyed the Dnieper canal diversions dams that Ukraine had built in 2015 that had stopped ALL water ( repeat ALL) to Crimea, The diversion dams has literally turned Crimea into a desert forcing Russia to harvest rainwater, and ship tankers of fresh water simply for drinking. 90% of Crimea's rich agricultural lands were laid waste. The water was restored in 2022 after the destruction of the diversion dams. Much later the Russians destroyed the Novakhakhova dam even at the risk of temporarily flooding and reducing cooling water for the Zaporizhia Nuclear Power plant. The increased flow downstream makes re-construction of diversion dams nearly impossible. Russia would have to be militarily defeated give up control of the Dnieper left bank for Crimea to be starved of water again. Since then both Ukraine and Russia have destroyed many smaller dams primarily because such dams served the dual purpose of bridges .
Earlier in World War 2 (1943) the British destroyed two large dams ( Mohne and Eider) in the Ruhr Valley in Germany in a single air raid, killing thousands of civilians and hundreds of German Army air defense troops guarding. The objective was to deprive the German industries of hydroelectric power.
Conclusion Dams are easy targets.

 

[Aggregate]

Yup. Shoes on your foot. Water has been stopped and you love it. Perfect.

India claiming ability to 'stop water' for now is nonsense. These things happen every year, the only difference is that this time India has not shared data ahead of stopping it. Pakistan already has the needed capacity in reservoirs. Earlier we were informed, this time we will have to take a alittle delayed action to release our own reserves. That's all. From 2019 - 2021 there were instances where far more water than this was stopped at occasions. This time around, Godi Media is just announcing it loudly to score some points for Modi. India will not have any such capacity for the next 8 - 10 years to "stop" the flow meaningfully. For now you are not doing anything different from what you have not done in the last 6 decades.

and military action is not done immediately in such cases. We will have 8 - 10 years to take care of this. We can go to International Courts, which have previously taken Pakistan's side. India cannot convince International courts that they are gonna starve 250 Million people coz 20 people died in Pehalgam, and you will either have to abide by it or it will be termed as water terrorism. You can also invite sanctions if you fail to abide by any such rulings. So stop imagining nonsense dreams about genocides. Modi wants to win elections, he will use this for elections and Pakistan will get its fair share one way or the other. This is why the treaty has been put in abeyance, not cancelled coz India knows it cannot do what they are selling to you.

Or if it comes to it, then yes, we can finally blow off your dams if India fails to abide by ICJ rulings and International law and nobody will blame us as it would be India who are not abiding by international laws in this case. We can also disrupt your Westwards sea trade via help of Chinese naval presence in Gwadar. But that is a very far fetched and last solution. At that time if you decide to have a nuked subcontinent rather than abide by international law, then its your decision.

 

[Cesur]

The most idiotic statement by the baffoon Khawaja Asif is going to bite back Pak Army and ISI in many ways. Imagine, he passed such stupid statement in these times when a terror attack just happened in India and they are using their full diplomatic power to lay blame on Pakistan.

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My only problem is his statement is admission of Pakistan's terror sponsoring (he as a defense minister). When its largely untrue in current era. Pakistan did what it did was till 20th century. In this century there's way more terror attacks sponsored by india / RAW in Pakistan. Their footprints are all over the place but do they ever admit it like this. I mean Pakistan a victim of terror, 80K people lost to terrorism and yet you are validating the blame of enemy, instead you should have been telling the world of the massive indian sponsored terror operations in Pakistan. Its crazy, how damaging this form47 illegitimate govt has become.

I’m not worried. That remark was made in the context of the Soviet–Afghan conflict and the early years of the War on Terror (the 1980s through the early 2000s) which is a fact. Besides, the Sky News presenter is Afghan and they often seem eager to seize on any opportunity to criticize Pakistan.

 

[Pakistan First]

I posted before

The response I thknk is the statement was in reference to cooperation with the usa, not pak alone, and past tense open information and history


Why is that so newsworthy?

I’m not worried. That remark was made in the context of the Soviet–Afghan conflict and the early years of the War on Terror (the 1980s through the early 2000s) which is a fact. Besides, the Sky News presenter is Afghan and they often seem eager to seize on any opportunity to criticize Pakistan.

Oh God! You guy fail to understand the severity of it and the sheer stupidness of it. The timing of this statement matters. This was certainly not the time to pass such idiotic statement. Your whole effort right now should be on how India is failing to provide evidence and Pakistan is ALWAYS blamed without evidence. and on top how agressively india is involved in terror incidents in Pakistan. Why on earth there was even need to accept that and go into Past ???? She wasn't even asking about the 80's or jihad against soviets. She specifically asked about "Terror" groups. There's no point in defending such an idiotic and completely WRONG statement by a disastrous def minister.

 

[NA71]

Sure it can be. What will you do about it is the million dollar question.

Bari bari batein nahein kartey ...shabash jao IPL dekho shabash.

 

[NA71]

OIC stayed neutral in 2019, not anymore.

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OIC ...New York....says it all

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

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MODI IS DARPOK(coward) AND BESHARAAM(shameless) in word's of Indian....
This ugly face OF HINDUVTA UGLY FILLED WITH INFERIORITY COMPLEX/// Vishnu Gupta.... This punk hates Kashmiri's and everyone can figure why....

Who Is Vishnu Gupta? Hindu Sena Chief Claims Shiva Temple Once Stood At Ajmer Dargah

Vishnu Gupta, claimed the court accepted their petition regarding the presence of a Lord Shiva temple at Ajmers Dargah.

zeenews.india.com

 

[Areesh]

India claiming ability to 'stop water' for now is nonsense. These things happen every year, the only difference is that this time India has not shared data ahead of stopping it. Pakistan already has the needed capacity in reservoirs. Earlier we were informed, this time we will have to take a alittle delayed action to release our own reserves. That's all. From 2019 - 2021 there were instances where far more water than this was stopped at occasions. This time around, Godi Media is just announcing it loudly to score some points for Modi. India will not have any such capacity for the next 8 - 10 years to "stop" the flow meaningfully. For now you are not doing anything different from what you have not done in the last 6 decades.

and military action is not done immediately in such cases. We will have 8 - 10 years to take care of this. We can go to International Courts, which have previously taken Pakistan's side. India cannot convince International courts that they are gonna starve 250 Million people coz 20 people died in Pehalgam, Stop imagining nonsense. Modi wants to win elections, he will use this for elections and Pakistan will get its fair share through ICJ or any other means. IF not then we can blockade India's Westbound sea trade. That is where we have an upper hand as well and we will have the best exxcuse as well. We have Chinese naval forces in Gawadar to help with that and this was always the plan, until you come to your knees and beg for IWT to be reinstated. It has been discussed many times already.

Or if it comes to it, then yes, we can finally blow off your dams if India fails to abide by ICJ rulings and International law and nobody will blame us. But that is a very far fetched and last solution. At that time if you decide to have a nuked subcontinent rather than abide by international law, then its your decision.

Agreed, this isn't the first time this is happening. It's just that the Godi media and unfortunately some charlatans from our side (i.e. Moeed Pirzada) are working overtime on the marketing. I remember a similar situation back in 2018, so I dug up this report:

https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/470508-

Anecdotally I know that it has been attempted by India in other years also around the sowing season, but will have to dig up the reports. Net-net, they can continue to delay the water release for 4-5 more days, but they cannot altogether stop it. But you can bet that their media and the useful idiots will milk this for all its worth.

Having said that, the threat is real and must be taken very seriously. Ideally we would hope that strict action is now taken against those vested political interests in the country which have critically endangered Pakistan's water security. However, the public and even many respected policy makers have been poisoned with disinformation to such a degree, that this probably won't happen. The issue is overshadowed by the destructive politics of provincialism. While we are squabbling, India is building 60+ dams on our water.

We will survive today, but eventually things will come to a head, and at that point I hope our decision makers are not pigeonholed into kinetic options only. I love dam-busters as much as the next guy, but non-kinetic responses are required to give us strategic options, similar to how we have multiple options across the conventional escalation ladder. Creating non-kinetic options means we need to (a) enhance our water storage capacity and (b) reduce waste and mismanagement in existing water usage. We have all heard about (a) but as it turns out, (b) is equally important. A tremendous quantity of our precious water is being wasted through waterlogging and salination, because we have failed to line our irrigation canals properly. We have overused tubewells, lowered our water table, and caused serious damage to our ecological systems. Even at this eleventh hour, the situation can be rectified through a unified national effort.

Some really good posts

Yes India's threats IWT and chenab, Jhelum and Indus rivers are real for future but not today. India isn't doing anything new today and it is doing what it has been doing for past many years. India media is simply presenting it something new since it is supposed to save face for Modi government after all the war mongering in prime time

So stop feeding Indian fantasies of starving Pakistanis. Lets stay united today in face of aggression and force our rulers to improve their water management for the future.

 

[Be dazzled]

OIC stayed neutral in 2019, not anymore.

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Very uncharacteristic of OIC. Strong language against India is indeed a first.

 

[r3alist]

Oh God! You guy fail to understand the severity of it and the sheer stupidness of it. The timing of this statement matters. This was certainly not the time to pass such idiotic statement. Your whole effort right now should be on how India is failing to provide evidence and Pakistan is ALWAYS blamed without evidence. and on top how agressively india is involved in terror incidents in Pakistan. Why on earth there was even need to accept that and go into Past ???? She wasn't even asking about the 80's or jihad against soviets. She specifically asked about "Terror" groups. There's no point in defending such an idiotic and completely WRONG statement by a disastrous def minister.

It was a blunder you are right

Totally uncalled-for , back foot

That being said, sky is hostile and what can you really prove with the statement

 

[Be dazzled]

Long, medium and short range ew equipment followed by netcentric warfare tactics topped with consistent surveillance has worked well thus far leaving India with limited options. On their side, they're having issues with Brahmos availability due to substandard local parts and insufficient OEM ones. Hence the delay in a possible missile strike.