Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

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This will continue to happen again and again. Sometimes india cross loc, sometimes they don’t. There were many problems with our narrative when they tried to hit madrassa. Nobody here reminded world that madrassa is a religious place and hence an attack on sacred Muslim places. Trust me, world will buy it just like they are buying Indian narrative on terrorism. Pakistani foreign policy is not aggressive. Pakistan has made mistakes but we need to change our policy now. We must write about freedom struggles and their fight against Indian control in Kashmir.

Pakistan also need to develop a consistent policy. Pakistan should also openly give aggressive statements like Musharraf used to do during his tenure. Calling Kashmir an unfinished business put us in a weak spot. Call it part of pakistan and aggressively attack Indian narrative. Call them to vacate iok just like they ask us to vacate our side of Kashmir. Be aggressive otherwise world will continue to support india. I say if they target any religious place this time, do exactly same.

When confronted on supporting terrorism in Kashmir, simply tell the audience that these groups are Kashmiri youth that want freedom and pakistan fully support it even militarily. It’s time for pak army to hire someone who understands Indian foreign policy and who is free to give statements without permission. You can consult me. I can help pakistan build a narrative towards Kashmir. There are many qualified people out there. Take help. Humiliate india diplomatically.
 
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In light of current tensions, this thread is opened to track diplomatic and military actions of the two countries.

This thread is purely for tracking, updating and discussing diplomatic actions and military movements and operations. No politics please.

On April 22, a group of foreign Indian tourists including some Indian intelligence and military personnel was attacked by The Resistance Front (TRF) in Indian-Occupied Kashmir (IOK). Women and children were spared but 27 foreign men were shot.

The attack was justified by TRF as a response to Indian attempts to flood Kashmir with Indian settler colonists —
around 84,000 domicile certificates had recently been issued to Indian settlers in the area.


Please do not debate about Kashmir, do that in the existing thread(s) in the Kashmir section. Do not chest thump/war monger. If you want to learn about the Kashmir conflict , read this book from page 148 onwards (prior to this is pre 1947 context) https://archive.org/details/kashmir-a-disputed-legacy-by-alastair-lamb/page/147/mode/1up
These a$$holes do this every time and then blame it on us; they took this with their best timing while VP-JD was there this is in their nature and blood!!!!!!!!
 
The situation for poor Palestinians keeps getting worse every day, and yet some in India seem to gloat over their suffering and they are sent a reminder that is suffering can knock on anyone's door.

It’s hard to ignore how convenient the timing of this latest massacre is—it appears designed to provoke anti-Muslim sentiments, especially now that relations between India and Pakistan seem to be improving. Could this be tied to an upcoming election in India (perhaps our Indian friends can inform)? Stirring nationalist feelings, particularly through hostility toward Pakistan, has long been a strategy to rally votes for Hindu nationalist parties. This brutal attack may be aimed at pushing India more firmly into the anti-Muslim alliance that seems to be forming globally.

But the bigger question is: Why now?

The United States is on the verge of launching a strike against Iran. Could this massacre be part of a broader geopolitical move, maybe even to justify or distract from military actions in the region? Perhaps some stealth bombers will even fly toward Islamabad, sending a powerful message while also taking aim at Pakistan under the guise of fighting extremism. With the massive buildup of U.S. military forces—warships, aircraft, troops—it feels like the entire region is under threat. Every country is now a potential target.


It’s not surprising, especially considering the recent visits by American diplomats—often seen as representatives of Israeli interests—to key countries in the region. Historically, these visits are followed by some kind of escalation or dramatic event. The writing on the wall suggests that a war with Iran is all but certain. The so-called negotiations may just be a front to gain public and international support by painting Iran’s leadership as irrational and dangerous.

If war does break out, it will be a risky gamble for both Trump and Netanyahu. But it would also completely reshape the power dynamics in the Middle East. The global balance is already shaky, and a full-scale conflict could tip the world into a new order.

The big question is: How will Pakistan respond to this chaos? Can it use the turmoil to its advantage, or will it be pulled into the conflict? With the lure of petrodollars from Arab allies and the high-level attention from U.S. envoys, it seems unlikely Pakistan will remain neutral. So, what’s the real game plan for both Pakistan and India?

Meanwhile, powers like China and Russia are closely watching the situation. They’ll likely use any conflict in the Middle East to their benefit—fueling the Iran war to distract the U.S. and ease pressure off their own strategic fronts, like Ukraine and Taiwan. They might see this as a golden opportunity to push back against the U.S. and its allies, especially the neoconservative factions driving much of this foreign policy.

The assertion that “This is Israel’s last gamble too; a weakened U.S. will have catastrophic impact on its survivability as it is already choking on Gaza” crystallizes a stark geopolitical warning. It argues that Israel’s prolonged military campaign in Gaza has become a strategic quagmire, and that without the firm backing of a robust United States—militarily, financially, and diplomatically—Israel’s very capacity to defend itself and maintain regional deterrence is imperiled. Below, I advance a structured, evidence-based argument in support of this thesis.




I. Israel’s Gaza Campaign as a Strategic Quagmire​


Since the resumption of hostilities in March 2025, Israel’s airstrikes and ground operations in Gaza have inflicted devastating civilian and infrastructural damage, yet have failed to deliver a decisive victory over Hamas. On April 22 alone, airstrikes killed at least 17 Palestinians and destroyed nine bulldozers and other rescue equipment provided by Egypt and Qatar—equipment critical for clearing rubble and aiding humanitarian relief AP News. This persistent destruction underscores that Israel is expending enormous resources without securing lasting peace or stability, validating concerns that its Gaza campaign is more attritional than conclusive CSIS.




II. The Human and Political Costs of “Choking” on Gaza​


Beyond the immediate military stalemate, the Gaza offensive has generated profound moral and diplomatic costs. According to an IISS analysis, both belligerents in Gaza may emerge weaker after the conflict, suggesting that Israel’s tactical gains are undercut by broader strategic losses IISS. International condemnation has surged, fueling protests on university campuses and driving a record number of antisemitic incidents in the U.S. tied directly to anger over Israel’s actions in Gaza AP News. Domestically, the high casualty toll and humanitarian fallout are eroding public support and placing enormous strain on Israel’s social fabric—an unsustainable trajectory for any democracy.




III. The U.S. as Israel’s Strategic Lifeline​


Israel’s qualitative military edge hinges almost entirely on U.S. aid. Under the current Memorandum of Understanding, Washington commits $3.8 billion annually in military assistance through 2028—funds that sustain advanced weapons systems from Iron Dome interceptors to F-35 fighters Council on Foreign Relations. In addition, the U.S. has furnished over $130 billion in bilateral security cooperation since Israel’s founding, making American backing the backbone of Israeli defense State Department. This level of support not only provides materiel but also diplomatic shielding at the United Nations and beyond.




IV. Signs of a “Weakened U.S.”​


Yet, the United States itself faces mounting domestic and international pressures that threaten its ability to sustain unqualified support. Polarized domestic politics have resulted in record-high antisemitic incidents, illustrating that Israel–U.S. solidarity is under societal strain AP News. Globally, Washington’s strategic bandwidth is stretched thin by the wars in Ukraine, rivalry with China, and crises from Niger to the Sahel—diminishing its capacity to intervene diplomatically or militarily on Israel’s behalf Atlantic Council. Should U.S. political dysfunction or strategic fatigue force a retrenchment, Israel would find itself deprived of its most critical protector.




V. Catastrophic Impact on Israeli Survivability​


Without continuous U.S. backing, Israel’s survivability would be gravely threatened. Its qualitative military edge would erode as spare parts, munitions, and advanced technologies become scarce; diplomatic isolation could leave it vulnerable to sanctions or restrictions on arms imports; and regional adversaries like Iran and Hezbollah might exploit any perceived vulnerability. As one analyst warns, Israel’s long-term security cannot endure absent the U.S. “umbrella” of force projection and deterrence Carnegie Endowment.




VI. “Last Gamble” and the Imperative for Strategy Reassessment​


Framing the Gaza campaign as Israel’s “last gamble” emphasizes that the current strategy risks irreversible damage to the U.S.–Israel alliance. If Washington’s domestic or global challenges force it to scale back support, Israel could confront an existential crisis, having depleted its own economic and political capital without neutralizing its fiercest foes. The gamble, then, is twofold: to achieve a strategic breakthrough in Gaza, and to ensure the U.S. remains strong enough to underwrite Israel’s defense for years to come.




Conclusion​


Israel’s ongoing military efforts in Gaza, coupled with potential U.S. retrenchment, constitute a high-stakes gamble with existential implications. The evidence—from battlefield stalemates and humanitarian catastrophes to the immensity of American aid and Washington’s own vulnerabilities—converges on a single warning: without substantive shifts in strategy and a revitalized U.S.–Israel partnership, Israel may find itself irreversibly weakened. Recognizing this reality is the first step toward crafting a more sustainable approach to security, diplomacy, and regional stability.
Thanks for the conclusion .....one has to be a bit of nerd to read all that. .like the conclusion.
 
Sure ..just like how 9/11 was a drama. a
Abbottabad raid was a drama.
In 9/11 no Pakistani national were involved, only Afghani Terrorists uses Pakistani passports, where is the corpse bin laden and you know there many ways to cross Afghan-Pak border when anybody can cross border secretly, and tell me you troll were Pakistani govt/military allow bin-laden hide in Pakistan lol
 
Mythbuster:

Yes Bhai , Pakistan is an innocent and harmless country .... Indians Afghanis can do whatever they want in Baluchistan and KP and get away scot-free .

See the correction?
 
All the attackers were in Pakistan training before moving to US. That's the reason irrespective of passport if some one visited Pakistan , they invite detailed check up.
if you know nothing shut the fcuk up and do research 9/11 from neutral source an then blabber against Pakistan senslessly and baselessly lol
 
These a$$holes do this every time and then blame it on us; they took this with their best timing while VP-JD was there this is in their nature and blood!!!!!!!!
Bilkul.......This is actually an Israeli tactic. India is new to this false flag game so they get caught out every time.
 
i was with a group and Well i have heard lots of thing but this is off the roof!

one of the gentlemen said

"Pakistan is in tight spot..after taking money from US to provide air space of upcoming US/ENtity strike on Iran by end of this month, in reallity Pakistan does not want to get involved but you know who can dare USA. so planned out first do a show rant a lot of anti indian strong man persona and do some thing in kashmir through mujahideens so that situation becomes tense near war scenario between India & Pakistan - after all Pakistan and india are nuclear nations - there never will be an actual war- may be a skirmish is order of the day it saves Pakistan from US/Entity vs Iran ..

So like 2019 a skirmish will happen - then will come ____ measuring contest. mine is bigger then yours and in 20-30 days things will settle down. life goes normal. stories will be spin - responses will be calibrated.

I told him this is the most stupid - mental - garbage i have ever heard..i thought i share with forum.
Running the state is a dirty job ....any kind of crap is plausible.
 
Actions speak louder than words, everyone can see rallies being conducted and openly funds collected in Pakistan by different terrorist groups which are banned by Pakistan and declared as terrorist groups by pakistani govt. That's one of the main reasons no one buys pakistani argument. You guys live in your own world, the real world had moved on.
It doesn’t matter. We can still counter your narrative and we have our own videos of Indian army dragging youth on roads. Thing is our foreign policy is weak and Indians found a way to manipulate it. It’s time for pakistan to start manipulating. It includes so many things that india can’t even imagine and india will be under pressure in new pakistani foreign policy. It’s sad to see nobody is trying to be aggressive on our side. Foreign policy can do wonders. Obviously you and others in india think of pakistan like walk in the park. Pakistan is also ready and do what it always does. It will retaliate and there will be no return of pilots this time.
 
A series of military aircraft (C-130E, gulfstream, and unknown type) just departed Islamabad and headed for various locations up north

PAF765, PAF177, and N/A

(Flightradar24)
 
Airbus H130 heli circling over Katra, IOK
 
I am not fan of Asim Munir or Pakistan establishment. Pakistan is in raggedy shape because of people like him. A strong democratic Pakistan could have free Kashmir many years ago.

Know this. Kasmiris are not happy under Indian federation. They want complete autonomy.

I’m not saying they should be part of Pakistan, but they shouldn’t be part of India either.
It doesn't matter if you or Pakistanis like him or not, he makes the policies. I don't like Modi either but as far as I'm concerned he is my prime minister just like "Asim Munir" is theirs.
As for Kashmiris, they can be part of anyone but the reality is they are part of India. If they can't coexist it's going to get very difficult for them. Now, I don't think average Kashmiri appreciate their bread and butter being hit like this. Ie Tourism
 
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