Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[Rollno21]

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Because everyone is not islamist. Its time we start weeding only the fundamentalists and make them pay higher price for being one.

 

[arjunk]

@Deino how feasible is an emergency order of ~36 J-10C on lease from PLAAF inventory? infrastructure and training already in place. Indians have placed emergency Rafale orders in the past.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Come on. At least show an ounce of decorum. Modi and his entourage have no intention of showing signs of negotiation or peace. To passify the TVA brigade -
He has taken an extreme line of natural hatred for Muslims IN India so those outside aren’t going to get any titbits of peace.
They simply have no desire.
Any sane person will be saddened by this tragic event but the drum beating on this thread is remarkable.
Not in Pakistans interest for this terror attack. For indias long term and home digestion - perhaps yes.

Sorry one question to banta hai!!!

Was Pakistan very happy before that attack because the security situation in Kashmir was normal?

Okay, you might will point out that no – India should leave kashnir; India will say never!

So was it okay, that status quo? if no, what next pakistan wants else

 

[arjunk]

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Because everyone is not islamist. Its time we start weeding only the fundamentalists and make them pay higher price bring one.

guess what, secularists despise you on a racial level while islamists see you as an equal human being misguided by propaganda

that’s why whites brutalize you while Muslims are lenient.

 

[arjunk]

Sorry one question to banta hai!!!

Was Pakistan very happy before that attack because the security situation in Kashmir was normal?

Okay, you might will point out that no – India should leave kashnir; India will say never!

So was it okay, that status quo? if no, what next pakistan wants else

if Pakistan wanted to change the status quo by force we would wait till favourable conditions, eg J-35s and nuke subs are operational.

india needs to stop putting a spin on this and admit its failure — failure to ‘integrate’ Kashmir at gun point, and lying to Indians about ‘normalcy’ being restored.

 

[Fatman17]

EDITORIAL: With South Asia hurtling towards a fresh crisis after the deadly Pahalgam militant attack, Pakistan must be prepared to handle Indian provocations in a measured manner.

After a meeting of the National Security Committee in Islamabad on Thursday, chaired by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, and attended by the top civil and military leadership of the country, the administration has announced a number of steps designed to respond to India’s escalatory rhetoric in the aftermath of the tragic slayings in IHK.

While stating in the official readout that “Pakistan unequivocally condemns terrorism”, the government elucidated a number of tit-for-tat measures. These include suspension of bilateral accords, including the landmark Shimla Agreement, a ban on Indian aircraft over Pakistani airspace, closure of the Wagah crossing, and a reduction in the number of staffers manning the Indian high commission in Islamabad.

Significantly, the meeting noted that any attempt by India to prevent the flow of water to Pakistan under the Indus Waters Treaty — which New Delhi has held ‘in abeyance’ — would be considered “an Act of War”.

Read more: https://www.dawn.com/news/1906368/

#DawnToday

 

[Ali_Baba]

@Deino how feasible is an emergency order of ~36 J-10C on lease from PLAAF inventory? infrastructure and training already in place. Indians have placed emergency Rafale orders in the past.

A) Pakistan has no money to place a new order right now.
B) Pakistan operates the E variant, so jets would need conversions from PLAAF inventory.
C) any customisation requested by PAF on its J10CE would need to be applied to any lease aircraft, taking time.

A non starter for leasing of existing PLAAF inventory in the near term(months), and no cash for anything new.

Best choice is more JF17 Block 3s which are cheaper and more in Pakistans control.

 

[Rollno21]

Come on. At least show an ounce of decorum. Modi and his entourage have no intention of showing signs of negotiation or peace. To passify the TVA brigade -
He has taken an extreme line of natural hatred for Muslims IN India so those outside aren’t going to get any titbits of peace.
They simply have no desire.
Any sane person will be saddened by this tragic event but the drum beating on this thread is remarkable.
Not in Pakistans interest for this terror attack. For indias long term and home digestion - perhaps yes.

Ok tell me what makes you hate Modi so much, what has he done against Muslims. I want facts not stories.

Ok Pakistan has nothing to gain from terrorist attack agreed, but what about Pakistan Army, we all saw what Munir said fed days ago, we all know PA credibility is all time low in Pakistan, what better thing to make the people stand behind the army than India.

Does it look more probable or false flag to defame Pakistan sound more probable.

 

[M. Sarmad]

@Rollno21

The IWT contains no clause, none whatsoever, that obligates either side to renegotiate it. Scrapping a binding bilateral treaty just because the other party won’t bend to your will isn’t diplomacy..... it’s a shameless overreach hiding behind empty justifications; a full-blown diplomatic tantrum disguised as principle...

And here’s where the irony hits peak levels...: the Simla Agreement, which actually acknowledges the Kashmir issue and clearly calls for bilateral dialogue, is something India flat-out refuses to act on. Not a whisper of negotiation, not even a pretense. Why the blatant double standards? Honestly, when it comes to hypocrisy, you guys aren’t just world-class, you’re playing in an entirely different galaxy....

 

[Sharma Ji]

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EDITORIAL: With South Asia hurtling towards a fresh crisis after the deadly Pahalgam militant attack, Pakistan must be prepared to handle Indian provocations in a measured manner.

After a meeting of the National Security Committee in Islamabad on Thursday, chaired by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, and attended by the top civil and military leadership of the country, the administration has announced a number of steps designed to respond to India’s escalatory rhetoric in the aftermath of the tragic slayings in IHK.

While stating in the official readout that “Pakistan unequivocally condemns terrorism”, the government elucidated a number of tit-for-tat measures. These include suspension of bilateral accords, including the landmark Shimla Agreement, a ban on Indian aircraft over Pakistani airspace, closure of the Wagah crossing, and a reduction in the number of staffers manning the Indian high commission in Islamabad.

Significantly, the meeting noted that any attempt by India to prevent the flow of water to Pakistan under the Indus Waters Treaty — which New Delhi has held ‘in abeyance’ — would be considered “an Act of War”.

Read more: https://www.dawn.com/news/1906368/

#DawnToday

Given how it'll take years to put the dam infrastructure in place, if they actually do it.

No point worrying about it, this is just noise for now.

Or can or have they just switch the tap off right now ?

Not entirely clear on it here.

 

[arjunk]

A) Pakistan has no money to place a new order right now.
B) Pakistan operates the E variant, so jets would need conversions.
C) any customisation requested by PAF on its J10CE would need to be applied to any lease aircraft, taking time.

A non starter for leasing of existing PLAAF inventory and no cash for anything new.

Best choice is more JF17 Block 3s which are cheaper and more in Pakistans control.

block 3 production in Pakistan is ~26 a year, if we need aircraft urgently J-10 is the easiest option.
-E conversion would be faster than producing 36 JF-17 iii.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Just a remainder

Indians are yet to arrest or kill any single one of the attackers in Pehalgam incident even after nearly 72 hours

Pakistan conducted and concluded a far more complex Jaffer express attack operation in less than this time with minimum casualties possible. Same Jaffer express incident where BLA representatives were giving live running commentary of the attack on Indian mainstream TV channels

Never forget

India already burned down houses of supposed terrorists. Not sure if families were allowed to go outside or burned inside house.

This is Indian justice system that world should trust lol

 

[arjunk]

block 3 production in Pakistan is ~26 a year, if we need aircraft urgently J-10 is the easiest option.
-E conversion would be faster than producing 36 JF-17 iii.

Iirc block 1 conversion to block 3 is possible in emergencies but their airframe life is so worn out they are soon to be retired.

 

[arjunk]

India already burned down houses of supposed terrorists. Not sure if families were allowed to go outside or burned inside house.

This is Indian justice system that world should trust lol

they are cowards, they never engage in CQC, they just rape or burn down entire civilian neighborhoods.

This is the ‘combat experience’ they brag about when claiming their army is more ‘battle hardened’ than the Chinese.

 

[mulj]

did those **** brains here realized that china can step in to with water restriction gamse?