Indian IBGs - Recent Quwa+ article

[hmuham8]

Just like US military defeated Soviet Army doctrinally in 1980s, Indian military is doing same to Pak military

And the trash talking has started.. i wondered how long it would take.

Let me atleast try to respond in a civilized manner.

Does Indian Employment of its advantage in mass and fires pose a challenge to Pakistan? Absolutely.

Is this challenge insurmountable? No.

Is Pakistan able to respond in kind? Likely.

Do India and Pakistan remain capable of inflicting conventional punishment on each other? Yes.

Is this punishment likely to be decisive? No

The soviet military was probably most equal to NATO from 1975 to 1985. This is not just my opinion. It is also the opinion of the US Joint chiefs and most US Army war college publications in the aftermath of the cold war. Post 1985, the U.S army's advantage was a combination of better organization and the precision revolution as its new weapons started to come online. There is currently nothing in the Indian Organization or foreseeable procurement pipeline that would confer such a decisive advantage to the Indian military.

 

[Watandar]

The answer to seizing of minor pieces of territory is likely to be fires. There is simply no reason to expose assets if artillery, MLRS and drones can make the enemy's position untenable. 10-20 km is well within Fire control range of most FPV and Artillery systems. Thus any attempt to seize territory is likely to be in the 30-50km range.

You are correct, i think, that the real threat is the saturation of Pakistani Air bases and ground facilities to cause paralysis. I have personally not been impressed with Pakistani decision making in 2019 and 2025 and shudder to think what could happen if Pakistani decision makes are forced into "reactive" mode early into a crisis.

Myself have been un-impressed with Pakistani command and decision making in 2019 and 2025. It seems the PAF has been carrying the entire country and that burden is too great to bear for any air force.

It also matters whether India plans to use one of these IBG's in a blitzkrieg or many of them. If India uses , say 3 IBG's and all three are able to grab 50 km each inside Pakistan, then the political pressure on Pakistani command might be too much to exercise this strategy of patience and harassement of IBG's and to eventually drive them out. The pressure will be to mobilize Pakistani assets and to throw them at the IBG's, thus exposing the assets to Indian attack.

It's possible these IBG's are in reality just bait.

 

[Corax]

Just like US military defeated Soviet Army doctrinally in 1980s, Indian military is doing same to Pak military

What doctrine would that be, beg for surrender when you receive a spanking?

 

[Watandar]

Exactly. Also really interesting in the proximity of railways for Pakistan near central Pak border (where much of the desert fighting may accour), compare that to Indian side. We even have a single gauge line going all the way to Fort Abbas. That means tanks, water, ammo and fuel can be shipped almost directly to frontline units

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These railways will be under constant Indian attack. They are an ideal target for cheap drones. How Pakistan will re-supply its forces and people, under saturation Indian air attack by planes, missiles and drones is a real challenge.

 

[Oscar]

What doctrine would that be, beg for surrender when you receive a spanking?

Ignore the PoS troll

 

[hmuham8]

These railways will be under constant Indian attack. They are an ideal target for cheap drones. How will Pakistani re-arm and re-supply its forces and people, under saturation Indian air attack by planes, missiles and drones is a real challenge.

Pakistani logistics might be surprisingly resilient. We have a pretty dense road network and the PA has a large number of heavy and medium duty trucks (Hello Toyota Hilux) that are almost impossible to interdict. With how close formations are located to the IB, this might be less of a challenge. The civilian economy is a challenge but Ukraine has survived for 4 years under massed bombardment. As a general rule, bombardment has never caused the breakdown of civilian morale

 

[Watandar]

Pakistani logistics might be surprisingly resilient. We have a pretty dense road network and the PA has a large number of heavy and medium duty trucks (Hello Toyota Hilux) that are almost impossible to interdict. With how close formations are located to the IB, this might be less of a challenge. The civilian economy is a challenge but Ukraine has survived for 4 years under massed bombardment. As a general rule, bombardment has never caused the breakdown of civilian morale

The roads might get mined, like what the US/Israel did around Iranian missile bases. The railways will be constantly hit by cheap drones. But that is not the title of this thread though, it's what to do about these IBG's.

 

[hmuham8]

The roads might get mined, like what the US/Israel did around Iranian missile bases. The railways will be constantly hit by cheap drones. But that is not the title of this thread though, it's what to do about these IBG's.

Yes. Overall, my opinion is that IBGs are likely to be a poor force employment choice and one that has a real world example of failing in high intensity, peer-on-peer conflict.