Indian Missiles and Guided Munitions

[PakSword]

Didn't you miss the bit where he put India and China in the same bracket.

To be honest, I didn't read beyond a few words. I got the idea that teer nishanay pe laga hai.. lol

It's good he only stopped at comparing India and China, he could have gone to Alpha Centauri... and compared Kaveri engine with an Alien faster than light tech..

 

[harpy1]

I merely posted "few" headlines.. why are you riled up?

I'm.not riled
I'm. Impressed that despite having over 1000 Brahmos cruise missles of different versions in service already .
It's huge export success and devastating performance in sindoor
That rather than rest on it's laurels

They are already working on induction of hypersonic successor weapons on this marvelous brahmos family of missiles ...

That's impressive and surprisingly not Indian

 

[Vikramaditya1]

What you are really trying to justify is why India is not producing its own indigenous weapons, yet Pakistan has functional credible deterrence across all theatres.

When it suits, you benchmark to Pakistan.
The path Pakistan has taken for military procurement is commensurate to the size of the country, and relative to the resources you would have to agree they are punching above their weight.

Now if you consider your 4 trillion economy, yet here you are trying to justify joint ventures and requests for technology transfers
......that's only on India.

It's obviously on India that they could not develop their own capabilities, but then it's also an India that they choose to benchmark to Pakistan.

Remember China you have already raised the white flag

You got it in reverse, I wasn't comparing with Pakistan, rather responding to someone comparing our case with Pakistan. Next time maybe reread the quotes yk.

 

[PakSword]

I'm.not riled
I'm. Impressed that despite having over 1000 Brahmos cruise missles of different versions in service already .
It's huge export success and devastating performance in sindoor
That rather than rest on it's laurels

They are already working on induction of hypersonic successor weapons on this marvelous brahmos family of missiles ...

That's impressive and surprisingly not Indian

Brahmos is a success, no doubt.. and I don't want to deny that It's mostly Indian.

It might have performed well in Sindoor according to your standards, we don't believe it did as much as expected.. It had a limited success at best.

However, you must realize that it was the best thing in your inventory and you guys were using only that.. While Pakistan was using Fatah 1 (that's truck mounted guided artillery rocket system). So you have not seen Pakistan's best yet, and you might not see in future too.. unless absolutely necessary.. and when you do, it will be a show and the world will be talking about it like it talks about the air battle in which Pakistan forced IAF to be grounded for at least 2 days. Trump still talks about multiple jets and modi still wakes up in the middle of the night murmuring "Pakistan ne hum pe hi hamla kardia"..

Anyway, good that you guys are working on the next version. It is really needed if your forces have to show something in your next over-confident experiment. I believe Pakistan will use the next level of missiles too (other than Fatah 1).

 

[flyingorca]

It isn't. You use Russian Engines, on a Chinese frame, with Chinese missiles, Chinese AESA. For Brahmos India makes the current seeker, solid booster, hardwares and softwares. Russian components are the alloys in mid course liquid propulsion system that can withstand extreme heat. Something only countries that make jet engines can master. That's the point of the Brahmos JV.

Barahmos is Indian variant developed by Russia and technology transferred to India. Just because Indian officials says so does not mean its 100% true infact always go the opposite of what Indian officials say if you want thr truth.

 

[Vishnu Hypersonic Cruise]

Barahmos is Indian variant developed by Russia and technology transferred to India. Just because Indian officials says so does not mean its 100% true infact always go the opposite of what Indian officials say if you want thr truth.

What is the source of your information?
So far I haven't come across any official documentation stating that BrahMos was developed by Russia and technology was transferred to India

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Vishnu Hypersonic Cruise

Much of the tech that goes into Brahmos comes from Onyx missiles used by Russia. However there has been fair amount of indigenisation over the years

Regards

 

[Vishnu Hypersonic Cruise]

@Vishnu Hypersonic Cruise

Much of the tech that goes into Brahmos comes from Onyx missiles used by Russia. However there has been fair amount of indigenisation over the years

Regards

The strongest component of India’s military–industrial complex is missile technology, largely driven by the success of space program. India is also the fourth country in the world—after United States, Russia, and China—to have developed cryogenic engines.
Navy is another domain where India’s military–industrial complex has achieved significant success, (construction of nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers)
The only major capability India still lacks is a fully indigenous aero-engine to power fighter jets. The day Kaveri engine powers Ghatak UCAV or a prototype Tejas will be a greater achievement than any Mars or Moon mission or human space flight

 

[Sam6536]

Brahmos is a success, no doubt.. and I don't want to deny that It's mostly Indian.

It might have performed well in Sindoor according to your standards, we don't believe it did as much as expected.. It had a limited success at best.

However, you must realize that it was the best thing in your inventory and you guys were using only that.. While Pakistan was using Fatah 1 (that's truck mounted guided artillery rocket system). So you have not seen Pakistan's best yet, and you might not see in future too.. unless absolutely necessary.. and when you do, it will be a show and the world will be talking about it like it talks about the air battle in which Pakistan forced IAF to be grounded for at least 2 days. Trump still talks about multiple jets and modi still wakes up in the middle of the night murmuring "Pakistan ne hum pe hi hamla kardia"..

Anyway, good that you guys are working on the next version. It is really needed if your forces have to show something in your next over-confident experiment. I believe Pakistan will use the next level of missiles too (other than Fatah 1).

That's why you created a seperate rocket force. Fatah 1 and 2 sit between traditional MLRS like Grad/Pinaka and India's quasi ballistic Pralay.

Your other missiles are ballistic missiles like Shaheen and Ababeel. Those are dual purpose missiles. If you launched those it is anyone's guess what could've followed, as India could assess it as a nuclear first strike.

India's ballistic missiles include Agni 1 to 5, Prithvi series and Submarine launched K series. These are dual purpose, we don't or haven't used these conventionally.

How many Shaheens and Ababeels do you have? 100? A couple of hundred? Ballistic missiles cost a ton and are not as readily manufactured as other missiles.
Practicality, cost and the dual nature of ballistic missiles is the reason why this escalation might be costly.

Brahmos is a conventional supersonic missile. And India has a decent manufacturing capacity for it which was recently ramped up. The hypersonic variant is something which will start being inducted in next 5yrs.

Now how many Brahmos does India have? A mean figure would be closer to 1000. This is the moderate figure.

 

[PakSword]

That's why you created a seperate rocket force. Fatah 1 and 2 sit between traditional MLRS like Grad/Pinaka and India's quasi ballistic Pralay.

Your other missiles are ballistic missiles like Shaheen and Ababeel. Those are dual purpose missiles. If you launched those it is anyone's guess what could've followed, as India could assess it as a nuclear first strike.

India's ballistic missiles include Agni 1 to 5, Prithvi series and Submarine launched K series. These are dual purpose, we don't or haven't used these conventionally.

How many Shaheens and Ababeels do you have? 100? A couple of hundred? Ballistic missiles cost a ton and are not as readily manufactured as other missiles.
Practicality, cost and the dual nature of ballistic missiles is the reason why this escalation might be costly.

Brahmos is a conventional supersonic missile. And India has a decent manufacturing capacity for it which was recently ramped up. The hypersonic variant is something which will start being inducted in next 5yrs.

Now how many Brahmos does India have? A mean figure would be closer to 1000. This is the moderate figure.

There are other superior missiles (other than the ballistic ones) in Pakistan's inventory. But the threat posed by you guys was extremely low. A country that started relying on the best missile they have because of the grounding of the air force in Pakistan's first response is not an opponent that should be given so much importance.

 

[Sam6536]

There are other superior missiles (other than the ballistic ones) in Pakistan's inventory.

Please list those superior non ballistic missiles then. Babur, Ra'ad, and Harbah are all subsonic cruise missiles powered by a turbojet, closer to Nirbhay or Harpoon class systems, not Mach 3 strike weapons.
Does Pakistan have a scramjet powered cruise missile?

But the threat posed by you guys was extremely low. A country that started relying on the best missile they have because of the grounding of the air force in Pakistan's first response is not an opponent that should be given so much importance.

That is a fallacious argument.

 

[PakSword]

Please list those superior non ballistic missiles then. Babur, Ra'ad, and Harbah are all subsonic cruise missiles powered by a turbojet, closer to Nirbhay or Harpoon class systems, not Mach 3 strike weapons.
Does Pakistan have a scramjet powered cruise missile?

That is a fallacious argument.

I said superior to Fatah.

What's fallacious?? The fact that your air force was grounded for at least two days (actually wasn't seen after the first cowardly attacks on civilians) or the fact that you were left with one one option, Brahmos?

 

[Vishnu Hypersonic Cruise]

I said superior to Fatah.

What's fallacious?? The fact that your air force was grounded for at least two days (actually wasn't seen after the first cowardly attacks on civilians) or the fact that you were left with one one option, Brahmos?

Not all Targets were hit with BrahMos, SCALP, StormShadow, Khagantak Anti Airfield Weapon were used as well the big holes we saw in runways of Pakistani Airbases were done by Khagantak Anti Airfield Weapon

Indian Air Force stated that it did not cross into Pakistani territory. But eyewitnesses in Pakistan reported seeing aircraft approach, drop bombs, and then turn back so maybe some drone was used to drop payload

 

[vasanthm]

I said superior to Fatah.

What's fallacious?? The fact that your air force was grounded for at least two days (actually wasn't seen after the first cowardly attacks on civilians) or the fact that you were left with one one option, Brahmos?

More cowardly than using non state actors as proxies and embedding them among civilians? Hiding behind proxies and civilian shields is what actually fits the definition of cowardice.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Barahmos is Indian variant developed by Russia and technology transferred to India. Just because Indian officials says so does not mean its 100% true infact always go the opposite of what Indian officials say if you want thr truth.

Ah so you are one of those who doesn't believe Indian officials rather your feelz and vibes.