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[SoulSpokesman]

@Joe Shearer

Dada,

The credit for the spending on infrastructure, due to higher government earnings, is credit that should be given to those years of patient governance and good administration that led to this prosperity. It did not happen overnight.

True.

while the bulk of her people struggle with poverty.

Do the aforesaid "years of patient governance and good administration" also deserve some credit/blame for the bulk of her people struggling with poverty?

Regards

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer

Dada,

The credit for the spending on infrastructure, due to higher government earnings, is credit that should be given to those years of patient governance and good administration that led to this prosperity. It did not happen overnight.

True.

while the bulk of her people struggle with poverty.

Do the aforesaid "years of patient governance and good administration" also deserve some credit/blame for the bulk of her people struggling with poverty?

Regards

I expected better from you. It is not new to you what state the country was left in, in 1947. It is not new to you that the very same captains of industry who came up with the Bombay Plan neither had nor invested anything like what the central government went out of its way, and beyond its normal path, to do.

The rest of it has been discussed in painful detail. Nothing really remains to be said.

Clever and suggestive remarks are fine, in private conversation. In the midst of extremely foolish and misguided minds like the ones on display, you bear some responsibility. When you begin to discharge it, no one will be more pleased, thankful and relieved than I.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Joe Shearer

Dada,

It is not new to you what state the country was left in, in 1947.

Most of tropical Asia and Africa was in the same shape wasnt it?

what the central government went out of its way, and beyond its normal path, to do.

Fair enough, but that is where the development model led to. A society where 10% would benefit and the rest would be more or less be left out.

The govts (Central + State) barring a few exceptions like TN and Kerala more or less neglected investment in human resources compared to rest of Southeast Asia and China (let alone Japan and Korea, which were possibly ahead of us even in 1947). Can they be absolved of all blame for that? I am fully aware that given our own social system, it was perhaps inevitable and a different political party/alliance in govt may not have resulted in a significantly different outcome.

Regards

 

[Joe Shearer]

Most of tropical Asia and Africa was in the same shape wasnt it?

What about it? Are we discussing India or Indonesia or the rest of tropical Asia and Africa? Are we discussing those that have struggled against their own odds, and failed to surmount them, from whatever evidence is on display? Have you failed to read the triumphant, self=acclamatory post #150, that tells its own sorry story?

Fair enough, but that is where the development model led to. A society where 10% would benefit and the rest would be more or less be left out.

No, that is false. The development model that was initially tried, and proved to have grave limitations, and was ripped apart under that Prime Minister-Finance Minister later to be Prime Minister combination, laid the foundations for today's prosperity.

You also know, none better than you, that what followed was an inefficient, incompetent, and bungling system that has failed in almost every respect except UPI.

We have been through this countless times elsewhere. Do you really think you will win the applause of the gallery by trotting out these tired arguments once more?

The govts (Central + State) barring a few exceptions like TN and Kerala more or less neglected investment in human resources compared to rest of Southeast Asia and China (let alone Japan and Korea, which were possibly ahead of us even in 1947). Can they be absolved of all blame for that?

Let me turn around your own favourite gambit against you. What did the states do to improve education earlier? Earlier the central government established precisely those institutions in whose reputation current apologists wallow. Save the Indian Institute of Science, what was due to the States? Why is their role now suddenly of such great interest to those who had nothing to do with the IITs, the IIMs - the original stronger ones, you will forgive me for noting - and the AIIMS?

Yes, the centre could have done more. You are well aware of my hobby-horse of the neglect of primary education resulting in abject superstition and a resultant regressive mentality - should we enumerate the states where this is worst, and where political parties seek their continued survival?

I really think it would be fair to come out with new arguments, instead of parading the rags and tags of what remains from elsewhere. That break would be, putting it mildly, honest.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Thank you for your constructive criticism.

Yes education needs to be improved in Pakistan. We need an educated workforce in Pakistan

And you cannot relegate 53% of your population (women) to child bearing and child rearing activities.

Only being able to draw on 47% of your population is a massive handicap.

 

[Joe Shearer]

And you cannot relegate 53% of your population (women) to child bearing and child rearing activities.

Only being able to draw on 47% of your population is a massive handicap.

A terribly common phenomenon in South Asia. We haven't yet, in India, overcome female foeticide. The figures for male and female members of the population tell their own ghastly story.

Somehow, I cannot bear to examine the problems and difficulties others may be facing. If we can resolve ours, that is a good start.

 

[Joe Shearer]

This whole discussion is depressing, from the point of view of a loyal Indian.

I will take my leave of it, and of you good people, for now.

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

This whole discussion is depressing, from the point of view of a loyal Indian.

I will take my leave of it, and of you good people, for now.

All Developing countries have a LONG way to go

Even US is feeling the need for a
Renewed push in Infrastructure

They also have crumbling Infrastructure in several places like roads ,.railways ,.bridges ,.housing

 

[BananaRepublic]

Then you need to tear down that wall and build again.

The per capita income in India is $24890.80, that of Indonesia is $4876. 30, or double that of India.

It is a cruel joke when people brag and strut around and parade false notions that mock the poverty of those worse off than them.

Shame on you!

Purchasing power of Indians is significantly less - given India’s GDP is massively unevenly distributed - compared to a much more equal society like Indonesia.

Just look at the number of super billionaires India has compared to Indonesia.

It’s grotesque when compared to the size of respective GDPs.

That’s why India is struggling to create jobs - your wealth is in too few hands.

 

[Beijingwalker]

All Developing countries have a LONG way to go

Even US is feeling the need for a
Renewed push in Infrastructure

They also have crumbling Infrastructure in several places like roads ,.railways ,.bridges ,.housing

Based on Americans posters here, US doesn't need those public infrastructure cause Americans all moved to suburbs and countryside and they don't need to travel much.

 

[Lulldapull]

Leadership comes from within. We are morally bankrupt people with no sense of honor nor any concept of courage. We are highly tolerant of our oppressors and disperse like little chicken $hit pu$$ies at the first sight of resistance and adversity. No able leadership can ever emerge from our lot. We are doomed to live a life of eternal ignominy

آپ دیکھ لو نہ آج ہماری حالت۔ ادہر ایک بندہ بھی خوش نہیں ۔ سب تنگ آ چکے ہیں

 

[ST1976]

Then you need to tear down that wall and build again.

The per capita income in India is $24890.80, that of Indonesia is $4876. 30, or double that of India.

It is a cruel joke when people brag and strut around and parade false notions that mock the poverty of those worse off than them.

Shame on you!

hmmm, on PPP term we find Per Capita Income of India-Indonesia closer

here we have GDP on PPP Comparision between India-Indonesia-Pakistan-Bangladesh, as below. India's GDP on PPP is listed at above $16.0tn+.
is this GDP of a poor country?

here, what is the shame difference with other countries of world? only US and China above India?

List of countries by GDP (PPP) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ST1976]

Then you need to tear down that wall and build again.

The per capita income in India is $24890.80, that of Indonesia is $4876. 30, or double that of India.

It is a cruel joke when people brag and strut around and parade false notions that mock the poverty of those worse off than them.

Shame on you!

hmmm, on PPP term we find Per Capita Income of India-Indonesia closer

here we have GDP on PPP Comparision between India-Indonesia-Pakistan-Bangladesh, as below. India's GDP on PPP is listed at above $16.0tn+.
is this GDP of a poor country?

here, what is the shame difference with other countries of world? only US and China above India?

List of countries by GDP (PPP) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ST1976]

@ST1976

India will spend nearly Rs. 143 lakh crore on infrastructure in seven fiscals through 2030, more than twice the near Rs. 67 lakh crore spent in the previous seven years.

Without going to whether our infra has improved or will improve over the next 7 years here is m2c-IND's nominal GDP grows almost effortlessly at 10% p.a. (5-7% real plus inflation 4-5%). By rule of 72, the nominal GDP doubles in 7 years. Corollary- in any consecutive block of 7 years, you will find that the spend on infra (or almost anything else) doubles over the previous block of 7 years.

That is simple mathematics, really.

Regards

@Joe Shearer

good day sir

as we discussed before, we find a table as below, it discuss Infrastructure of major economies till 2011, till this article.

Brazil with overall score 41% is listed below to India in overall infrastructure till 2011. and we find Mexico-Turkey somehow close to India's score at 46. and considering hefty investment in its infrastructure sinse 2011, India might have covered gap with Turkey, i would guess

=>

Emerging Markets Are Going To Spend A Massive $6 Trillion On Infrastructure In The Next Three Years

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Joe Shearer]

is this GDP of a poor country?

That is the total, not per capita.