India’s long submarine journey: What went wrong and the plan ahead

[Pakistan First]

Indian Navy P-8s can blow out Pakistani Chinese subs. The only catch is air superiority to protect the P-8s. It would help to have a larger fleet of P-8s

Its even a bigger fantasy as you have had with SU-30s and then with Rafales.

How many times P-8s have detected a submarine?

Can you calculate how many years a fleet of 1000 P-8 aircrafts will take to scan indian ocean for a submerged submarine. Get some digging and then get back.
Finding a submerged submarine in an ocean is like finding a needle in a haystack with even most modern equipment till date.

Even finding a stealth warship becomes a problem, finding a snorkeling submarine becomes a problem, finding a submarine at 300 meters down is near impossible.

I gave you one REAL life example. Indonesian sub got missing few years back. Indonesian navy knew exactly where the last contact was made. They had a very narrow down region to find. So many countries joined, P-8s of several forces joined the hunt and still it took days to find that submarine. Imagine how difficult would be to find a submarine that is deliberately trying not to be found and has a wider region and no one knows whereabouts of it.

That's why AIP is so important. It can keep submarine at depths of the ocean for weeks. Unlike indian scorpene subs which have to surface after every 2 days. The submarine is most detectable when its snorkeling or at surface. Otherwise at the depths it has not happened once that a submarine could be found by an aircraft.

Oceans have variable depths, complex terrain, even caves / mountains under the water and oceans are HUGE. Submarine can be anywhere and its a big nightmare. So stop fantasizing that just because you got P-8s that's done. So that means China and Russia don't have to even build subs because US has so many P-8s lol. You think war as a two people playing cards? Its not even the right example but why do you think Iran has not surrendered yet despite massive technological differences ? Everyone plays with their own tactics and strengths. No one in Pakistan Navy will ever allow Indian P-8 to detect our submarine. Your ships will detect it in their final moments just like INS Khurki found out the hard way.

 

[Jaeger]

No, the Indian submarines will go the arctic to die and to never return.

Lol the Indians cannot even change the light bulbs inside the ovens on those Russian subs without Russia's help/approval. And here you think the Indians will survive a voyage to the arctic and back? Your comms will be jammed and hacked so badly you will hear each other's voicemails on your systems, and here you talk about trans-oceanic comms LOL! And that is if they are not sunk first or poisoned due to the infiltratration of food supply logicists.

The brand new Indian Rafael jets didn't know who was flying next to them once they got jammed, and you think those old Russian junked out legacy system trash death traps so called submarines will do you any good?

You have no idea what will happen to the Indians in the next war.

I warned you Indians about Pakistan's capabilities in the old forum but you didn't take it seriously.

The arctic is a US Navy playground. They will not be allowed anywhere near without USA approval or Russian support.

Invite your utter destruction if you want to. But don't say you werent warned.

Sometimes the Indians' delusions are mind boggling.

Indian can not change light bulbs in which Russian subs?

The Four S4 class SSBNs that were built in Vizag, Vishakhapatnam ? Or the six 13500 tonne S5 class SSBNs that are currently being built in Vizag?

Or the Six 10,000 tonne Project 77 class SSNs in their design phase - also to built in Vizag ?

 

[delta2]

Indian can not change light bulbs in which Russian subs?

The Four S4 class SSBNs that were built in Vizag, Vishakhapatnam ? Or the six 13500 tonne S5 class SSBNs that are currently being built in Vizag?

Or the Six 10,000 tonne Project 77 class SSNs in their design phase - also to built in Vizag ?

All Russian designs, with Russian tech, with Russian built parts supplied to India, including nuts/bolts and military grade paint. Even legacy relays.

India does not have the capability to build military grade resistors even, which India imports from Russia.

Without Russian help, the Indians cannot run a power/comm line between two decks, or from the engine room to the captain's quarters for example.

Without Russian help India would be in the stone age.

Before you can build a submarine, you must be able to build military grade electronic components from scratch, which India is not capable of doing, at all.

 

[Jaeger]

All Russian designs, with Russian tech, with Russian built parts supplied to India, including nuts/bolts and military grade paint. Even legacy relays.

India does not have the capability to build military grade resistors even, which India imports from Russia.

Without Russian help, the Indians cannot run a power/comm line between two decks, or from the engine room to the captain's quarters for example.

Without Russian help India would be in the stone age.

Before you can build a submarine, you must be able to build military grade electronic components from scratch, which India is not capable of doing, at all.

Lol..ok.

So why haven't you been able to build a nuclear powered or even a regular submarine yet ?

You have the entire Chinese industry at your disposal.

Why don't you buy or borrow a few Chinese nuts, bolts, power&comm lines and some paint build you self a fleet of SSBNs?

 

[Big_Strong_Brother_India]

Lol..ok.

So why haven't you been able to build a nuclear powered or even a regular submarine yet ?

You have the entire Chinese industry at your disposal.

Why don't you buy or borrow a few Chinese nuts, bolts, power&comm lines and some paint build you self a fleet of SSBNs?

Most Pakistani are pathetically unaware, I would say delusional about India industrial capabilities & that of their own country, than reality hit you hard & only thing left is cope.

 

[delta2]

Lol..ok.

So why haven't you been able to build a nuclear powered or even a regular submarine yet

You have the entire Chinese industry at your disposal.

Why don't buy or borrow a few Chinese nuts, bolts, power&comm lines and some paint build you self a fleet of SSBNs?

India is not capable of building military grade resistors. Do you understand what this means? It means India does not possess any technology of its own beyond what it buys from Russia, the West or China.

Because Pakistan's main aim is a land and air war, in which Pakistan whipped India regularly despite being outnumbered.

The Chinese industry is at China'a disposal. Pakistan buys from China, China does not give it to Pakistan for free. But China does help Pakistan a lot. Because Pakistan and China are brotherly friends. Whereas for India, all of your allies are transactional and control your access to tech by giving you export variants only.

Once Pakistan annihilate India, and the Brahmin surrender and recount their ways, and the evils of caste system are destroyed forever, never to be implemented again on humans, then Pakistan will focus on getting nuclear capable submarines for the enemy on the other side.

Pakistan does not make empty boasts. And this topic is not about Pakistan's capabilities, but about India's inabilities. Your only boast is you being larger in numbers in military terms, which Pakistan will match with you because no one will sell you state-of-the-art military tech beyond export variants.

The Russians still control you in ways you do not understand.

 

[delta2]

Most Pakistani are pathetically unaware, I would say delusional about India industrial capabilities & that of their own country, than reality hit you hard & only thing left is cope.

Lol India imports all military grade components from Russia, which are sources by the Russians from China for all of export variants of Russian tech.

You import legacy military grade relays even.

Pakistan and Pakistanis know very well about all of India's capabilities. So much so you would be shocked and commit suicide if you found out.

 

[Jaeger]

India is not capable of building military grade resistors. Do you understand what this means? It means India does not possess any technology of its own beyond what it buys from Russia, the West or China.

Because Pakistan's main aim is a land and air war, in which Pakistan whipped India regularly despite being outnumbered.

The Chinese industry is at China'a disposal. Pakistan BUYS from China, China does not give it to Pakistan for free.

Once Pakistan annihilate India, and the Brahmin surrender and recount their ways, and the evils if caste system are destroyed forever, never to be implemented again on humans, then Pakistan will focus on getting nuclear capable submarines for the enemy on the other side.

Pakistan does not make empty boasts. And this topic is not about Pakistan's capabilities, but about India's inabilities.

The Russians still control you in ways you do not understand.

Lol..and there I thought perhaps you knew something about something.

You turned out to be just another Lahori gasbag.

 

[delta2]

Lol..and there I thought perhaps you knew something about something.

You turned out to be just another Lahori gasbag.

I am not from Lahore.

But you definitely sound like a Patialwi gasbag.

The fact remains, you import legacy military grade relays for your military tech from Russia, which the Russians source from China cuz it is cheaper for them this way, but they still charge you the same.

Your S400 electronics are all Chinese made lol! Do you understand what that means?

 

[hussain0216]

Loving the cope here, absolutely loving it

Ahhhh remember the Indian cope about the PL15 and PAF and Su30, Tejas and Rafael

Good times, good times



Our biggest weapon against the Indians is the Indians and their egos

 

[delta2]

Ahhhh remember the Indian cope about the PL15 and PAF and Su30, Tejas and Rafael

Good times, good times



Our biggest weapon against the Indians is the Indians and their egos

Telling you, Pakistan should have shot and killed all of their jets. There was no point on identifying them, locking on them, and not shooting them down. Had Pakistan done so, most Indians would have committed suicide out of humiliation and would have burned down the French embassy in New Delhi after blaming France for selling them faulty jets.

 

[RandomThoughts7]

All Russian designs, with Russian tech, with Russian built parts supplied to India, including nuts/bolts and military grade paint. Even legacy relays.

India does not have the capability to build military grade resistors even, which India imports from Russia.

Without Russian help, the Indians cannot run a power/comm line between two decks, or from the engine room to the captain's quarters for example.

Without Russian help India would be in the stone age.

Before you can build a submarine, you must be able to build military grade electronic components from scratch, which India is not capable of doing, at all.

Hi, I will not post on this thread after this, and I honestly hope the mods shut it down as it is digressing from the original topic.

This also calls for someone to be the mature party in this situation. It certainly won't be me, as I simply cannot resist one last post... LOL!

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[delta2]

Hi, I will not post on this thread after this, and I honestly hope the mods shut it down as it is digressing from the original topic.

However, I simply cannot resist one last post... LOL!

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Yes, the original topic is about India's inherent inability to build anything technological on its own.

Once you stop importing from Russia (which now sources ALL export version electronics for its tech from China), then there can be some merit to talking about India'a ability.

For example, on its own, ALL of India'a industry COMBINED, and I mean EVERY single bit of it, on it's OWN, cannot keep a SINGLE call center in India open without Chinese/Western imports, and that is only the consumer side of the technology.

 

[hussain0216]

Telling you, Pakistan should have shot and killed all of their jets. There was no point on identifying them, locking on them, and not shooting them down. Had Pakistan done so, most Indians would have committed suicide out of humiliation and would have burned down the French embassy in New Delhi after blaming France for selling them faulty jets.

Absolutely

We made a mistake

I think PAF/GHQ understood how destructive a full scale war could be i.e, tens of thousands of deaths at a minimum

As a result they gave the Indians are off ramp

Any decent group of people would understand the shame and seek a alternative peaceful path
But we are talking about indiansz who are ego driven myth loving fantasists


PAF shot down 7-8 Indian aircraft or whatever it was, but they could have shot down 30

The IAF was dead in the sky, they did not understand what Pakistan had done or how to counter it, any further air battles would have resulted in the ANNIHILATION of the Indian airforce


Pakistan is planning multiple strategies
We have obtained 8 hangors, the 3 agostas have been upgraded
And Im sure a nuclear sub(s) are coming soon


If the Indians want to stick to the same EGO driven bullshit they used to do with the PAF and IAF
Then GO AHEAD, but it is going to hurt India Baaaaad

 

[delta2]

Absolutely

We made a mistake

I think PAF/GHQ understood how destructive a full scale war could be i.e, tens of thousands of deaths at a minimum

As a result they gave the Indians are off ramp

Any decent group of people would understand the shame and seek a alternative peaceful path
But we are talking about indiansz who are who driven myth loving fantasists


PAF shot down 7-8 Indian aircraft or whatever it was, but they could have shot down 30

The IAF was dead in the sky, they did not understand what Pakistan had done or how to counter it, any further air battles would have resulted in the ANNIHILATION of the Indian airforce


Pakistan is planning multiple strategies
We have obtained 8 hangers, the 3 agostas have been upgraded
And Im sure a nuclear sub(s) are coming soon


If the Indians want to stick to the same EGO driven bullshit they used to do with the PAF and IAF
Then GO AHEAD, but it is going to hurt India Baaaaad

I agreed, but I think they are still living in some imaginary world of "men of honour" and "pursuing peace" mumbo jumbo when the enemy came in to destroy everything and wouldn't have shown the same courtesy and mercy to them.

Should have gone for the Brahmin's neck!